P E T T Y S E S S I O NS - Penrith - Tues, Feb. 24 .... PART II (Before J. JAMESON, W. HARRISON, J. THOMPSON, J. UNSWORTH, and W. H. PARKIN, Esqs., and GEN BROUGHAM) MR. SCOTT said as the Bench had overruled upon the point of law which he had brought, he would advise the whole of the defendants to admit having thrown the various coloured powders. MR. UNSWORTH - I agree with you. I think that is decidedly the better plan upon which to proceed. MR. SCOTT said although he was still of the opinion - but perhaps he might be wrong - that these proceedings should have been taken, not by the police, but by the Board of Health, that opinion having been overruled by the Bench, he would merely say a few words in palliation without minutely entering into the merits of each case. He could not deny that the town on the election day was for a time in a state of considerable excitement, and these young fellows, led away by the excitement which surrounded them, in the exuberance of their youthful spirits, went further than they intended to do. But he did not think that the Bench would be inclined to look upon these proceedings as presenting any serious aspect. No party aggrieved had come forward to lay a charge against any of the defendants. Even the coachman of the EARL OF LONSDALE, who had been subjected to a severe pelting, like many men in an independent and honourable position, was one of those who could afford to be silent, and would rather put up with a little colouring matter, either blue or yellow, than foster irritating feelings, when the excitement of the occasion had passed away. The throwing of powders, although irritating and annoying, was perfectly harmless, and from them life and limb were perfectly save. MR. HARRISON - Are there many tailors among your clients ? MR. SCOTT - They occupy various positions in life, and some of them may be tailors; but I can say, that the majority of them are decent young fellows. No one has been aggrieved. MR. HARRISON - Don't say "not aggrieved", but that no complaint has been made. MR. SCOTT - I say not a single person has come forward to say he sustained any injury. Even the coachman, who was the object of special pelting, has not come forward; and the police, who, I must say, acted with the greatest discretion, tact, and forbearance on the occasion do not say they are aggrieved. MR. UNSWORTH - And they were the greatest sufferers. MR. SCOTT - No doubt; and I can only imagine it is from a strict sense of public duty that these charges have been made so long after the excitement of the election has been allayed. MR. HARRISON - And to prevent a recurrence of such conduct. MR. SCOTT trusted that these proceedings had been instituted more in the way of caution for the future than for the infliction of penalties for foolish acts. Feelings had run high at election times, but on this occasion they had partaken more of a frolicsome disposition, and had been attended with no serious harm or danger. The same proceedings had been enacted on previous occasions, and he was afraid it would take some time to eradicate the impression from the minds of many classes that they were lawful and justifiable. But after having heard the circumstances attending the proceedings on the occasion, and taking into consideration the character of the young men - who he was not there to deny had been indiscreet and foolish - he hoped the Bench would discharge the defendants with a caution, and not inflict a penalty which might probably tend to arouse fresh prejudices and many jealousies amongst the hitherto peaceable inhabitants of the town of Penrith. [ Applause in Court, which was immediately suppressed. ] MR. DUNNE, who was present during the hearing of the case said the police had to-day brought the charge before the Bench entirely in the discharge of a strict public duty, many complaints having been made to him of the excesses committed at the elections both in East and West Cumberland. In some instances stones had been thrown to such an extent that many persons had been cut about the face and head. The police had no feeling in the matter beyond doing their duty. He added that he was certain if LORD LONSDALE had been personally consulted in the matter, his lordship would have declined to take any action and advised that the defendants should not be proceeded against. The police did not wish to punish any person if they could avoid it; and in bringing the defendants before the Court to-day they felt that they were performing a proper but disagreeable duty. With respect to what had been said in some quarters about the police not apprehending persons at the time offences were committed at election times, it would be remembered that at the Durham election, when this was done, a serious riot took place, and the police station was sacked and the prisoners rescued. He was glad to find that notwithstanding what had taken place here, the police had acted with discretion and judgment. MR. THOMPSON said he could bear out that remark, for he was near the police a good part of the affray, and got a good peppering himself. He had made no complaint, and for his part would not have the defendants punished; though he would rather they would not do such things again. THE BENCH, after retiring for about a quarter of an hour, returned into court; and after a strong admonition as to future conduct, said they would make some allowance for periodical excitement at election time, and fined each defendant 2s. 6d. including costs. __________________ DRUNKENNESS. - WM. BLENKINSHIP, clogger, appeared again to answer a charge of drunkennes. WILLIAM siad if behaved kindly to, he would at once go and join the Good Templars. Fined 2s. and costs.

P E T T Y S E S S I O N S. Shire Hall, Appleby. - Feb. 21. (Before the REV. T. BELLAS, and F. PARKER, Esq.) SELLING BEER WITHOUT A LICENCE. - ROBERT JOHNSON, railway ganger, occupying one of the huts at Helm Town, in the parish of Armside, was charged on the information of MR. THOS. SWINDELLS, of Penrith, Inland Revenue Officer, with selling beer without a license. - MR. J. P. SHEPHERD appeared for defendant. Evidence having been heard, the Bench found the case proved to their satisfaction, and inflicted a mitigated penalty of £5. - The money was paid. USING A GUN WITHOUT A LICENCE. - JOHN DENT, of Asby, was charged on the information of MR. SWINDELLS, with using a gun without a licence. - Defendant did not appear, but his father, who was in court, said he sent his son out with the gun to shoot crows and magpies, which were doing damage. - MR. SWINDELLS said there seemed to be some misapprehension about the Gun Licence Act - MR. DENT could have used the gun for his own land for such a purpose without a licence, but he could not send his son out without having one - The Bench inflicted the lowest mitigated penalty of 50s. HOUSEBREAKING AT APPLEBY - A young man, apparently about 24 years of age, a stranger in the neighbourhood, was charged with breaking into the house of MR. WM. TYDD, plumber and glazier, in Scattergate, on Tuesday week. - Taking advantage of MR. TYDD's temporary absence, prisoner unfastened a wooden bar which secured the back door, and gained an entrance. He then took from a secretaire in an upper room, a snuff box, containing 8 silver pieces of foreign coins and a small penknife. - P.C. RONEY took him into custody on the following afternoon when at work on the railway cutting a little out of Bongate. He searched him and found the articles stolen. - The Bench sentenced prisoner to two months' hard labour in Kendal prison. TRESPASS CASES. - EDWARD HARROP was charged on three separate informations, laid by ANTHONY ATKINSON, of Colby, game watcher, with trespass, in which DAVID SHAW and JAMES HAREWOOD, all of Appleby, were implicated. - None of the parties appeared, and HARROP, against whom several previous convictions were recorded, was fined 20s. and costs in each case. SHAW and HAREWOOD were each fined 10s. and costs. - THOS. RUDD, of the Heights, was charged on the information of GEORGE CURRAH, game watcher, with trespass on lands in the occupation of JAMES RICHARDSON, on Sunday, the 8th instant. - Defendant did not appear, and was fined 40s. and costs.

Hello John Slightly ouside your "window" but have you collected any information on the descendants of William POWLEY who married Frances HOLME in 1656 at Morland? Cheers Dave HUDDART GENUKI Westmorland http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WES/ John Wells wrote: > Hello! > > I'm continuing to research the Wells, Powley and Rigg families of Shap and Morland in Westmorland from 1650 and earlier. I will be happy to share any information I have found. Cheers! > > John B. Wells > Newnan, Georgia > "Way Down South In Dixie" > wellsga@bellsouth.net >

MISCELLANEOUS. EXTRAORDINARY OUTRAGE. - An extraordinary outrage (say the "Liverpool Post") was committed on Tuesday at a village called Harwood, near Bolton. A boy named JAMES ROSCOW, aged sixteen years, employed at Firwood Bleachworks, was proceeding to his work, about six o'clock, and upon crossing the moor, a strange man called out to him to come back. The boy, however, feeling afraid, ran off, but he was followed and overtaken by the man, who threw him to the ground, and drawing a knife out of his waistcoat pocket, cut the boy's throat, inflicting a wound two inches in length. Struggling out of the fellow's clutches, the boy again ran off, the man shouting to him, "Come back, and I'll put a rag on." The boy was conveyed to the house of his father, REUBEN ROSCOW, stone finisher, Harwood, where the wound was stitched by MR. SMITH, surgeon. Fatal consequences are not anticipated. The man has not yet been apprehended.

MISCELLANEOUS. ALARMING INCIDENT AT WASHINGTON. The "New York Times" letter from Washington states that on the 5th of February, as the police-officer was passing the President's house, he saw a man on horseback in the portico trying to ride in at the front door. The officer took the adventurous horseman into custody, and turned him over to the stationhouse, where he gave his name as JOSEPH G. SYPHER. On his person was found a loaded pistol, and after being searched, he was locked up and kept until he could be conveyed to the police-court and charged with carrying concealed weapons. After hearing the case, the court imposed a fine of 30 dols. It is stated that SYPHER has been lounging about the Executive mansion for some time, and has latterly been denied admission, but it seems he determined to make a tour of the house on horseback. He had no excuse to offer. It is thought by the officers he is slightly deranged. Only "slightly ?"

MISCELLANEOUS. SUBMARINE TUNNEL TO THE ISLE OF WIGHT. Works are now in progress under the direction of MR. VIGNOLES, the well-known engineer, with a view to ascertaining the practicability of a submarine tunnel to connect the Isle of Wight with the mainland. The spot selected is the narrow part of the Solent just to the westward of Cowes, the actual width of the sea here not being more than one mile and three-quarters, though the tunnel would have to be nearly three miles long. The greatest depth of the channel at low water spring tides is twelve fathoms, or seventy-two feet, and this depth occurs nearly on the Isle of Wight shore, the water on the mainland side being comparatively shallow. Experiments are now being carried on by MR. PRICHARD, the contractor, to ascertain the nature of the soil through which the tunnel would have to run, and up to the present time the results have been eminently satisfactory. A depth of 150 feet has been reached through good stiff clay, and if the same kind of soil continues there would be but little danger of the water finding its way into the works; but in order to prevent the possibility of its doing so, it is proposed to form an iron casing, inside of which the ordinary brickwork would be turned.

MISCELLANEOUS. POTENT COFFEE SPIRIT. - The Coonoor and Wellington correspondent of the "Neilgherry Courier" says that a number of enterprising gentlemen, residents of Coonoor, headed by a well-known brewer, conceived the brilliant idea of distilling an ardent spirit from the coffee berry, which should surpass the strongest cognac in potency. They succeeded beyond their expectations, for on their each quaffing a single glassful of the newly-manufactured liquor, they all fell into a drowsy stupor, which lasted for hours, and which it required the adoption of the most stringent measures to arouse them from effectually quenching their laudable thirst for further knowledge and a new variety of liquor.

MISCELLANEOUS. JAPANESE SILKWORMS' EGGS. Over 200 cases of Japanese silkworms' eggs have arrived in New York City, consigned to English houses, through which they are to be forwarded to Italy. These shipments were landed in San Francisco on the 21st ult. by the China and Colorado, of the Pacific Mail Steam-ship Company. The majority of the cases are three feet long by one in breadth and ten inches in depth, the average contents of each being 250 cards of eggs. Some of the cases are considerably larger, and contain upwards of 600 cards. The cases are dovetailed carefully, and hermetically covered with oiled paper and again with matting. The value of the eggs is set down at 100,000 dollars gold.

THE CARLISLE PATRIOT, DECEMBER 29, 1855 CURIOUS WINDFALL. A servant of an elderly lady, lately deceased in Keswick, discovered an old box amongst a quantity of wearing apparel, the sum of upwards of £700 in bank notes, which she immediately handed over to her late mistress’s trustees. -Westmorland Gazette. ***

Many thanks John for this very interesting explanation. Frances Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-westmorland-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2010 6:26 PM To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-WESTMORLAND Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19 Today's Topics: 1. Re: DAWES (John Steel Genealogy) 2. Re: DAWES (Jane Taylor) 3. Re: DAWES (Liz Owen) 4. Re: DAWES (Liz Owen) 5. Re: DAWES (Jane Taylor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:56:32 +0200 From: "John Steel Genealogy" <fh@johnsteel.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00b001ca9eca$0ce4e3f0$26aeabd0$@co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jane Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway station essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been at Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue John -----Original Message----- From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days today do I have to search and visit? Jane in Redcar ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:26 -0000 From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAANGANE8AsKFImnsW7bfBRxvCgAAAEAAAAOcChSJiQ0FNkogRdgmf WxABAAAAAA==@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks John, How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder if I have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort things out!!!!!! Many, many thanks, Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel Genealogy Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES Jane Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway station essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been at Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue John -----Original Message----- From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days today do I have to search and visit? Jane in Redcar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:32:19 +0100 From: "Liz Owen" <l.owen@free.fr> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FC9AF6E48CF74910A220AFF8C4924319@OrdiTwo> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Look, try Google Maps. High Street is in Windermere, not Bowness. Alternatively, get in your car, on a bus, or the train, and go to the Tourist Office which is just next door to the Railway Station and ask for a map. There is plenty of info about Windermere past and present. You are complicating something which is not that difficult Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days > today do I have to search and visit? > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Owen > Sent: 26 January 2010 20:00 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > It's in Windermere; try Google! > > Liz Owen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Stuart" <nf.stuart@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > >>A cheque will do fine :) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor >> Sent: 26 January 2010 19:37 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Thanks to Nick, it made me look at my notes again. Looks like I was >> barking >> up the wrong tree! Seems I ought to be looking at 14 & 16 High Street, >> Windermere, not Applethwaite. >> >> Applethwaite was the ecclesiastical district. Thanks again Nick for >> making >> me look again. >> >> The question is now where is High Street Windermere? Is it Bowness or >> elsewhere? >> >> Many thanks for those who may guide me in the right direction. >> >> Jane in Redcar >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart >> Sent: 25 January 2010 19:28 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Jane, my 1881 Census has him as an Apprentice Butcher to a Robert Eades, >> his >> Uncle ? in Attercliffe Cum Darnall, Sheffield. He marries in 1883 in >> Chesterfield Reg District. What makes you believe he lived in >> "Applethwaite/Windermere around 1880" ? The reason I'm interested is that >> the only Applethwaite I know is near Keswick, Cumbria, where I used to >> live, >> between Derwent Water and Bassenthwaite Lake. >> Nick >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor >> Sent: 25 January 2010 18:50 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Thank you, Nick. I know all this already. I am just hoping SOMEONE knows >> why >> he went there. I have all his certificates but it's the filling in the >> sandwich I would love. As far as I know there were no relatives over the >> west side of the country-most odd. I guess just one of those that will >> remain unanswered. >> >> Thanks again for your efforts, it is appreciated. >> >> Jane in Redcar >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart >> Sent: 25 January 2010 16:28 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Jane, I have located Haydon Bernard DAWES on the 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, >> 1901 and 1991 Census returns. Are these any use or do you know this >> already? >> Nick >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor >> Sent: 23 January 2010 16:50 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> Hi there, >> Can anyone help me with a DAWES problem? >> >> Haydn (and variations!) Bernard DAWES was a butcher from Derbyshire (born >> Ridgeway circa 1861) who appears to went to live in >> Applethwaite/Windermere >> around 1880. His daughter Lillian Ruth DAWES married a CLOUDSDALE. >> >> There was another daughter, Ida, but Haydon went on to be an auctioneer. >> I >> think he eventually went back to Derbyshire but died in Lancashire. His >> wife >> was Agnes nee BOLSOVER. >> >> Many thanks for any help no matter how trivial. >> >> Jane in Redcar >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:44:33 +0100 From: "Liz Owen" <l.owen@free.fr> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C695B3C24BD342BB9E47485DBEE46CA1@OrdiTwo> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original TRy this - there is a map on this site http://www.a1tourism.com/uk/lakes.html Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > Thanks John, > How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time > when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder if > I > have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort > things > out!!!!!! > > Many, many thanks, > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel > Genealogy > Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Jane > Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). > The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway > station > essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There > was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been > at > Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). > I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the > township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two > townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. > > So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in > Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records > purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division > between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to > west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. > > Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. > > High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station > > I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days > today do I have to search and visit? > Jane in Redcar > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:25:57 -0000 From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAANGANE8AsKFImnsW7bfBRxvCgAAAEAAAAPQwgvmjEPlLh5Hwgy3f aRQBAAAAAA==@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Liz, Will go over later in the year. Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Owen Sent: 26 January 2010 21:45 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES TRy this - there is a map on this site http://www.a1tourism.com/uk/lakes.html Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > Thanks John, > How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time > when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder if > I > have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort > things > out!!!!!! > > Many, many thanks, > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel > Genealogy > Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Jane > Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). > The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway > station > essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There > was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been > at > Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). > I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the > township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two > townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. > > So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in > Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records > purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division > between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to > west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. > > Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. > > High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station > > I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > I know that, but Windermere today is different today. 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To all the people who have responded to my earlier email, a big thank you for your time and advice. I have now ordered an up to date version of Family Tree Maker, as suggested, and I am sure this will alleviate my problem. It is a pleasure to belong to such a kind and helpful group. Many thanks. Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val Armitage" <valerieann@aysgarth10.plus.com> To: <ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Problem saving Family Tree Maker > Hello All > > I wonder if one of the Group could help me with a dilemma. I have an old > version of Family Tree Maker (version 5.0a for Windows 98). It works > successfully with my Windows XP but when I back it up on disc or flash > drive, it only seems to open again on my computer. > > I have a lot of information stored in my Family Tree programme and am > worried about losing it all should my ageing computer break down! > > I wondered if I bought an up to date version of Family Tree Maker, it > would be possible to transfer my existing work?? > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks. > > Valerie Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How lucky you are!!! Beautiful part of the world. We try to get there once a year so will keep your references and see what we can do next summer. Thanks for your efforts they are appreciated. It is good to share other folk's knowledge. I'm hopeless with Cumbria but could help with Derbyshire or Sheffield- each to their own but if we all help a little it may help a lot!!! Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Owen Sent: 27 January 2010 11:30 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES Actually, if you leave the Tourist Office, and walk downhill for about 20 yards, you will see a one-way system; the bit on your right with traffic coming up is High Street (the hotel in the link is just there in front of you) There is a map on this site, but you have to know what you're looking for http://www.aboutbritain.com/maps/windermere-map.asp If you can get in close enough - you need to be below the A591, (which this map calls Church STreet) to the left of the Railway station, and on next-to-maximum zoom. Look for College Road - High Street is an extension of that; the one-way bit going downhill from the station is called Victoria Street. A combination of the ground plan and the satellite photo shows it all very well. That is doubtless all as clear as mud, so good luck. Oh and I do know the town; I lived there, and my sister still does Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > Thanks Liz, > Will go over later in the year. > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Owen > Sent: 26 January 2010 21:45 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > TRy this - there is a map on this site > > http://www.a1tourism.com/uk/lakes.html > > Liz Owen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > >> Thanks John, >> How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time >> when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder >> if > >> I >> have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort >> things >> out!!!!!! >> >> Many, many thanks, >> Jane in Redcar >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel >> Genealogy >> Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Jane >> Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). >> The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway >> station >> essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. >> There >> was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been >> at >> Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). >> I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the >> township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two >> townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. >> >> So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in >> Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records >> purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division >> between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east >> to >> west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. >> >> Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in >> Undermillbeck. >> >> High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station >> >> I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] >> Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a >> days >> today do I have to search and visit? >> Jane in Redcar >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Actually, if you leave the Tourist Office, and walk downhill for about 20 yards, you will see a one-way system; the bit on your right with traffic coming up is High Street (the hotel in the link is just there in front of you) There is a map on this site, but you have to know what you're looking for http://www.aboutbritain.com/maps/windermere-map.asp If you can get in close enough - you need to be below the A591, (which this map calls Church STreet) to the left of the Railway station, and on next-to-maximum zoom. Look for College Road - High Street is an extension of that; the one-way bit going downhill from the station is called Victoria Street. A combination of the ground plan and the satellite photo shows it all very well. That is doubtless all as clear as mud, so good luck. Oh and I do know the town; I lived there, and my sister still does Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > Thanks Liz, > Will go over later in the year. > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Owen > Sent: 26 January 2010 21:45 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > TRy this - there is a map on this site > > http://www.a1tourism.com/uk/lakes.html > > Liz Owen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > >> Thanks John, >> How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time >> when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder >> if > >> I >> have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort >> things >> out!!!!!! >> >> Many, many thanks, >> Jane in Redcar >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel >> Genealogy >> Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Jane >> Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). >> The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway >> station >> essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. >> There >> was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been >> at >> Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). >> I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the >> township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two >> townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. >> >> So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in >> Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records >> purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division >> between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east >> to >> west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. >> >> Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in >> Undermillbeck. >> >> High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station >> >> I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] >> Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a >> days >> today do I have to search and visit? >> Jane in Redcar >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Liz, Will go over later in the year. Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Owen Sent: 26 January 2010 21:45 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES TRy this - there is a map on this site http://www.a1tourism.com/uk/lakes.html Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > Thanks John, > How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time > when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder if > I > have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort > things > out!!!!!! > > Many, many thanks, > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel > Genealogy > Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Jane > Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). > The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway > station > essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There > was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been > at > Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). > I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the > township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two > townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. > > So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in > Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records > purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division > between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to > west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. > > Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. > > High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station > > I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days > today do I have to search and visit? > Jane in Redcar > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway station essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been at Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue John -----Original Message----- From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days today do I have to search and visit? Jane in Redcar

TRy this - there is a map on this site http://www.a1tourism.com/uk/lakes.html Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > Thanks John, > How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time > when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder if > I > have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort > things > out!!!!!! > > Many, many thanks, > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel > Genealogy > Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Jane > Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). > The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway > station > essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There > was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been > at > Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). > I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the > township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two > townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. > > So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in > Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records > purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division > between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to > west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. > > Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. > > High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station > > I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days > today do I have to search and visit? > Jane in Redcar > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Look, try Google Maps. High Street is in Windermere, not Bowness. Alternatively, get in your car, on a bus, or the train, and go to the Tourist Office which is just next door to the Railway Station and ask for a map. There is plenty of info about Windermere past and present. You are complicating something which is not that difficult Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days > today do I have to search and visit? > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Owen > Sent: 26 January 2010 20:00 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > It's in Windermere; try Google! > > Liz Owen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Stuart" <nf.stuart@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > >>A cheque will do fine :) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor >> Sent: 26 January 2010 19:37 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Thanks to Nick, it made me look at my notes again. Looks like I was >> barking >> up the wrong tree! Seems I ought to be looking at 14 & 16 High Street, >> Windermere, not Applethwaite. >> >> Applethwaite was the ecclesiastical district. Thanks again Nick for >> making >> me look again. >> >> The question is now where is High Street Windermere? Is it Bowness or >> elsewhere? >> >> Many thanks for those who may guide me in the right direction. >> >> Jane in Redcar >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart >> Sent: 25 January 2010 19:28 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Jane, my 1881 Census has him as an Apprentice Butcher to a Robert Eades, >> his >> Uncle ? in Attercliffe Cum Darnall, Sheffield. He marries in 1883 in >> Chesterfield Reg District. What makes you believe he lived in >> "Applethwaite/Windermere around 1880" ? The reason I'm interested is that >> the only Applethwaite I know is near Keswick, Cumbria, where I used to >> live, >> between Derwent Water and Bassenthwaite Lake. >> Nick >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor >> Sent: 25 January 2010 18:50 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Thank you, Nick. I know all this already. I am just hoping SOMEONE knows >> why >> he went there. I have all his certificates but it's the filling in the >> sandwich I would love. As far as I know there were no relatives over the >> west side of the country-most odd. I guess just one of those that will >> remain unanswered. >> >> Thanks again for your efforts, it is appreciated. >> >> Jane in Redcar >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart >> Sent: 25 January 2010 16:28 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Jane, I have located Haydon Bernard DAWES on the 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, >> 1901 and 1991 Census returns. Are these any use or do you know this >> already? >> Nick >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor >> Sent: 23 January 2010 16:50 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> Hi there, >> Can anyone help me with a DAWES problem? >> >> Haydn (and variations!) Bernard DAWES was a butcher from Derbyshire (born >> Ridgeway circa 1861) who appears to went to live in >> Applethwaite/Windermere >> around 1880. His daughter Lillian Ruth DAWES married a CLOUDSDALE. >> >> There was another daughter, Ida, but Haydon went on to be an auctioneer. >> I >> think he eventually went back to Derbyshire but died in Lancashire. His >> wife >> was Agnes nee BOLSOVER. >> >> Many thanks for any help no matter how trivial. >> >> Jane in Redcar >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks John, How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder if I have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort things out!!!!!! Many, many thanks, Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel Genealogy Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES Jane Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway station essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been at Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue John -----Original Message----- From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days today do I have to search and visit? Jane in Redcar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's in Windermere; try Google! Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Stuart" <nf.stuart@btinternet.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >A cheque will do fine :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor > Sent: 26 January 2010 19:37 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Thanks to Nick, it made me look at my notes again. Looks like I was > barking > up the wrong tree! Seems I ought to be looking at 14 & 16 High Street, > Windermere, not Applethwaite. > > Applethwaite was the ecclesiastical district. Thanks again Nick for making > me look again. > > The question is now where is High Street Windermere? Is it Bowness or > elsewhere? > > Many thanks for those who may guide me in the right direction. > > Jane in Redcar > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart > Sent: 25 January 2010 19:28 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Jane, my 1881 Census has him as an Apprentice Butcher to a Robert Eades, > his > Uncle ? in Attercliffe Cum Darnall, Sheffield. He marries in 1883 in > Chesterfield Reg District. What makes you believe he lived in > "Applethwaite/Windermere around 1880" ? The reason I'm interested is that > the only Applethwaite I know is near Keswick, Cumbria, where I used to > live, > between Derwent Water and Bassenthwaite Lake. > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor > Sent: 25 January 2010 18:50 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Thank you, Nick. I know all this already. I am just hoping SOMEONE knows > why > he went there. I have all his certificates but it's the filling in the > sandwich I would love. As far as I know there were no relatives over the > west side of the country-most odd. I guess just one of those that will > remain unanswered. > > Thanks again for your efforts, it is appreciated. > > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart > Sent: 25 January 2010 16:28 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Jane, I have located Haydon Bernard DAWES on the 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, > 1901 and 1991 Census returns. Are these any use or do you know this > already? > Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor > Sent: 23 January 2010 16:50 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > Hi there, > Can anyone help me with a DAWES problem? > > Haydn (and variations!) Bernard DAWES was a butcher from Derbyshire (born > Ridgeway circa 1861) who appears to went to live in > Applethwaite/Windermere > around 1880. His daughter Lillian Ruth DAWES married a CLOUDSDALE. > > There was another daughter, Ida, but Haydon went on to be an auctioneer. I > think he eventually went back to Derbyshire but died in Lancashire. His > wife > was Agnes nee BOLSOVER. > > Many thanks for any help no matter how trivial. > > Jane in Redcar > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I should have said a "check" would do fine !! -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor Sent: 26 January 2010 20:13 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES I'd be a millionaire too... the number of folk I've done the same to.... thanks again just reminds folk that no how experienced you are you should always check your notes!! I AM THE WORST CULPRIT EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart Sent: 26 January 2010 19:41 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES A cheque will do fine :) -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor Sent: 26 January 2010 19:37 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES Thanks to Nick, it made me look at my notes again. Looks like I was barking up the wrong tree! Seems I ought to be looking at 14 & 16 High Street, Windermere, not Applethwaite. Applethwaite was the ecclesiastical district. Thanks again Nick for making me look again. The question is now where is High Street Windermere? Is it Bowness or elsewhere? Many thanks for those who may guide me in the right direction. Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart Sent: 25 January 2010 19:28 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES Jane, my 1881 Census has him as an Apprentice Butcher to a Robert Eades, his Uncle ? in Attercliffe Cum Darnall, Sheffield. He marries in 1883 in Chesterfield Reg District. What makes you believe he lived in "Applethwaite/Windermere around 1880" ? The reason I'm interested is that the only Applethwaite I know is near Keswick, Cumbria, where I used to live, between Derwent Water and Bassenthwaite Lake. Nick -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor Sent: 25 January 2010 18:50 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES Thank you, Nick. I know all this already. I am just hoping SOMEONE knows why he went there. I have all his certificates but it's the filling in the sandwich I would love. As far as I know there were no relatives over the west side of the country-most odd. I guess just one of those that will remain unanswered. Thanks again for your efforts, it is appreciated. Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart Sent: 25 January 2010 16:28 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES Jane, I have located Haydon Bernard DAWES on the 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1991 Census returns. Are these any use or do you know this already? Nick -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor Sent: 23 January 2010 16:50 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES Hi there, Can anyone help me with a DAWES problem? Haydn (and variations!) Bernard DAWES was a butcher from Derbyshire (born Ridgeway circa 1861) who appears to went to live in Applethwaite/Windermere around 1880. His daughter Lillian Ruth DAWES married a CLOUDSDALE. There was another daughter, Ida, but Haydon went on to be an auctioneer. I think he eventually went back to Derbyshire but died in Lancashire. His wife was Agnes nee BOLSOVER. Many thanks for any help no matter how trivial. Jane in Redcar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message