Hi List I have kept out of this topic , cos it seems I am out of my depth against fellow listers, interesting Arguements ,(pun), its nice too see a bit of rivalry on a list in a sensibile manner. However back to my original posting , my research name was george, (henry assumed) ROGERS abt 1868 aged 13 on census 1881. Who if the one i want would have been born shropshire, but this chap is the only one i can find that fits anywhere , if this is him ,he reversed his name to henry george ROGERS on marriage , he married in hay mills yardley, which was in worcestershire at that time in 1894 , aged 27 , a screwmaker , father named John ROGERS , a blacksmith. In 1901 he is now George ROGERS abt 1868, and states birthplace as ketley bank shropshire ,he is now 33years old , this person is correct as all his children are right names /ages and the fact that one of them is my grandmother. Incidentley if anyone can provide his occupation in 1901 , that would help me . Hoping this will lead to another discussion!!. gary hodge