Hello Roz Have you applied for any of the other children's birth certificates? I wondered if one of these could tell you the mother's name. Janet Northampton -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roz Jones Sent: 22 November 2006 09:49 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Horace BAILEY The ages i have on his marriage certificate and his death certificate all match an 1898 birth. I also have his 3 surviving children back this up as well. Roz