Gary, I am researching Knights and Cliftons myself - these a re a big family too Worcs/Aston/ Whitel Ladies/ Staffs are places I found them so far - but I haven't seen the name Icke yet - could just be early days with my research or totally unconnected. I have come across a Peter Knight who is researching Knights on the B'ham Webring he is also studying this name similar area's - he maybe worth looking for over on the webring cause he has done lots of research and he may have something about names you are looking for to help you - might be worth your while posting the same question over there see if you get any answers? Cause from what I understand there are lots of Knights - so maybe you could come across the right line of this family? _http://forums.birminghamhistory.co.uk/_ (http://forums.birminghamhistory.co.uk/) I am sure there is a facility where you can do a search on there - something may come up - or you could post a question perhaps? Goodluck