Thomas Surman was a Troop Sergeant Major in the 14th he was awarded thr Peninsular medal with the bars for the battles of Orthes and Toulouse. My ancestor William NEWMAN was also a Troop Sergeant Major in the 14th and retired in 1835 to spend the rest of his life in New John Street West, Birmingham. It is possible, knowing his Name and regiment to get a copy of his papers (I think from PRO ) which will not only give full details of his army career but also will give you a description of him, fascinating. -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John S Sermon Sent: 24 November 2006 12:20 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Surman family from Warwickshire, 1871 Census Thomas was born 1795 in Inkberrow Worcestershire the son of Thomas (a Baker) + ElizabethSURMAN (nee PAYTON) He Served in the 14th Dragoons 1813 until 1835 when he was discharged a Chelsea Out-Pensioner He married Caroline BIRCH of Solihull in 1836, they had no children and kept the Lamb and Flag in the Tything in Worcester where his widow continued until she died in 1880 aged 64 What Thomas did during his time in the Cavalry I have not researched but I know he was married and presumably had children but it would be necessary to look in the War Office archives at the National Archives in Kew for the records of the 14th Dragoons I have never been able to find out why he died in Bideford in Devon inn 1872 aged 77? His sisters were Bakers and ran a Bakery next door in the Tything Matilda was the widow of his brother James who was born in 1807 and died in 1869 There was a large family in Worcester all related and descended from William who lived in Eldersfield in 1460, my ancestor also Surman Street is virtually opposite behind Kays the Mail Order Company, now converted into flats John S Sermon Chairman of the S*rm*n Family History Society -- John Sermon NDD FCSD general consultant designer 24 Monks Walk, EVESHAM, Worcestershire WR11 4SL (0)1386 49 967 07702 440 891 design@johnsermon.demon.co.uk www.johnsermon.demon.co.uk _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 15:22

Thank you John I will certainly look at this next time I am in Kew John -- John Sermon NDD FCSD general consultant designer 24 Monks Walk, EVESHAM, Worcestershire WR11 4SL (0)1386 49 967 07702 440 891 design@johnsermon.demon.co.uk www.johnsermon.demon.co.uk