Hi List I posted this about a week ago on the 11th dec, So Trying again, What I have got is some old notes taken from The St Cyprian registers (hay mills) on the 7th floor of the archives, the entry is for a baptism of a william CARTER on the 18th febuary 1890, it is located between page 21(june 1889) and page 27 (june 1891), I did not record a page number for william or his parents for some unknown reason at the time several years ago.but I reckon its roundabout 24,25,26 pages. The reason for the request is that I have the birth certificate of william above , the when/where born shows 18th febuary 1890 wribbenhall worcestershire, and show a mother "ellen" but no father, the certificate was registerd on the 31st march 1890. So I think Ellen went to hay mills for the birth ( some of her siblings were already here), then returned to wribbenhall afterwards as she shows up on the 1891 census there, with william listed with her father/mother next door as their grandson ,aged 1. Ellen later married in 1898. I cannot go to the archives just yet as I have a bad leg, otherwise I,d go there myself. gary hodge