This could be Emma's birth in Sep 1843 - which would give you her mother's maiden name. Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Sep 1843 (>99%) Pinner Emma Birmingham 16 29[2_] Looking at both the Free BMD image and Ancestry I think the number is 294 - but you could say if you apply for the birth certificate that the number is indistinct and could be 292 or 294 HTH Anne On 29 Dec 2006, at 18:34, Anthony Hofstee wrote: > Thanks to Marlene Shipman the family of William Pinner was found in > the 1861 Birmingham census under the name of Primer. In 1871, 1881, > 1891 and 1901 William is said to be born in France. However the 1861 > census says he was born in Birmingham about 1838. His father is > supposedly Thomas Pinner. Is there a Thomas Pinner to be found in > the 1841 or 1851 census of Birmingham with a child William born about > 1838? Thanks. Happy New Year to everyone and thanks for all the > help. This group has been wonderful. Tony >