In a message dated 29/12/2006 14:17:58 GMT Standard Time, hrolph@yahoo.co.uk writes: Anthony, hello, Just a thought - in the same household in 1871 is a Joseph TURNER, aged 44. Could he be a brother of George Goodfellow TURNER and father of Lizzie TURNER. There is a Lizzie Mary TURNER ON Free BMD, birth registered March 1/4 1872 and four Joseph TURNER, births registered between September 1/4 1846 and December 1/4 1848. Just a thought, Helen in chilly France Hi Helen (in chilly France) Just done the searches, and I can't find a connection between Joseph and Lizzie (Eliza, Elizabeth etc). I have 'found' a Joseph TURNER b.04.04.1827, chr. 14.01.1828 St Philips B'ham - but no connections to any family members so far. I really appreciate your assistance, and hope you have a rewarding & joyous New Year! Best rgds Anthony (in chilly Worcestershire)