In a message dated 20/01/2007 16:22:29 GMT Standard Time, neil.hearn3@bigpond.com writes: Can anyone find Joseph Spencer, born 1800, in Brum. His wife was Mary Ann and children included Joseph, MaryAnn, Maria, George, Edwin, Thomas and John. I haven't found him in any census!! Jan Hi Jan No SPENCERs found on the census, however on the IGI I have found: Joseph SPENCER chr. 31 JAN 1800 St Martin, B'ham to Benjamin & Betty Joseph SPENCER (m) Mary Ann ONIONS, St Martin, B'ham on 09 NOV 1820. Joseph Onions SPENCER born 31 JAN 1822. Is this the family? Rgds Anthony