Hi I am new to all this, trying to locate my grandfather's birth certificate. I have a copy of his wedding certificate 1906, stating that he was 21 and his father was a Walter Luckman deceased, the marriage took place at Birmingham Registry office. I have seen on a census return of 1891 a Walter Luckman head of household with a son Frederick aged 6 born in Birmingham. According to the Freebdm website there were 2 Fredrick Luckman's born in Aston Birmingham in 1885/86. I have approached Birmingham Registry office and neither of these Fredericks had either a father named Walter or mother named Sarah. It appears as if Sarah died around the time of Frederick's birth and there is also a Frederick who died aged 0. In 1888 Walter remarried a Mary Ann (Nicklin) who is on the 1891 census as wife. Sarah is on the 1881 census as wife of Walter. Where do I go from here? I would welcome any suggestions. I do not live too from Birmingham so trip to the library would not be a problem but what questions should I be asking where do I look. Many thanks David

David: Welcome to the list. You are blessed with a relatively unusual surname, largely confined to the west midlands, so there's a fair chance that all of the LUCKMANs are related if you can manage to get far enough back. So the first rule is to keep anything you can collect about people with that surname. The 1891 census shows only four people called Frederick LUCKMAN with birth year 1881-91. Of these, only one has a father called Walter, which is presumably the one you've seen, and very likely your line. Walter is aged 34 in 1891, and a Gun Finisher. Does that occupation tie up with Frederick's marriage certificate? FreeBMD has a death in Aston of a Walter John LUCKMAN aged 40 in 1897, which would fit this information (although there is another Walter who died in Aston in 1898 aged 33, and in 1891 he was a bedstead rail caster, aged 26 and unmarried). The Walter LUCKMAN who was aged 34 in 1891 had a wife called Mary Ann, as you say. Your Walter LUCKMAN was born in about 1857, and appears in earlier censuses. In 1871 he is with his parents Samuel and Mary Ann in Aston, and Samuel is a Gunmaker. In 1861 Walter appears to be in Flintshire (although born Birmingham) with his aunt and uncle John and Sarah WALTON. That should be a very helpful clue. A combination of the censuses and FreeBMD will enable you to get back fairly easily without leaving the house (I've found all the above in about 15 minutes) but you would need a subscription to Ancestry. I have no connection with them other than as a satisfied customer, and I find it very good value. Good luck Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Luckman" <davidluckman8@aol.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: [B'ham] Frederick Luckman > Hi > I am new to all this, trying to locate my grandfather's birth certificate. > I have a copy of his wedding certificate 1906, stating that he was 21 and > his father was a Walter Luckman deceased, the marriage took place at > Birmingham Registry office. I have seen on a census return of 1891 a > Walter Luckman head of household with a son Frederick aged 6 born in > Birmingham. According to the Freebdm website there were 2 Fredrick > Luckman's born in Aston Birmingham in 1885/86. I have approached > Birmingham Registry office and neither of these Fredericks had either a > father named Walter or mother named Sarah. It appears as if Sarah died > around the time of Frederick's birth and there is also a Frederick who > died aged 0. In 1888 Walter remarried a Mary Ann (Nicklin) who is on the > 1891 census as wife. Sarah is on the 1881 census as wife of Walter. > Where do I go from here? I would welcome any suggestions. I do not live > too from Birmingham so trip to the library would not be a proble! > m but what questions should I be asking where do I look. > Many thanks > David > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul Thank you very much for the information, some of which I had but some was new. The problem I can not seem to solve is why there is no birth certificate for a Frederick Luckman with a father Walter. The Walter who I think is my Great Grandfather died in 1897 and yes the occupation does fit. I did not have the information about Flintshire so that is another avenue. Thanks again David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Prescott" <paul@toranean.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Frederick Luckman > David: > > Welcome to the list. > > You are blessed with a relatively unusual surname, largely confined to the > west midlands, so there's a fair chance that all of the LUCKMANs are > related > if you can manage to get far enough back. So the first rule is to keep > anything you can collect about people with that surname. > > The 1891 census shows only four people called Frederick LUCKMAN with birth > year 1881-91. Of these, only one has a father called Walter, which is > presumably the one you've seen, and very likely your line. Walter is aged > 34 in 1891, and a Gun Finisher. Does that occupation tie up with > Frederick's marriage certificate? FreeBMD has a death in Aston of a > Walter > John LUCKMAN aged 40 in 1897, which would fit this information (although > there is another Walter who died in Aston in 1898 aged 33, and in 1891 he > was a bedstead rail caster, aged 26 and unmarried). The Walter LUCKMAN > who > was aged 34 in 1891 had a wife called Mary Ann, as you say. > > Your Walter LUCKMAN was born in about 1857, and appears in earlier > censuses. > In 1871 he is with his parents Samuel and Mary Ann in Aston, and Samuel is > a > Gunmaker. In 1861 Walter appears to be in Flintshire (although born > Birmingham) with his aunt and uncle John and Sarah WALTON. That should be > a > very helpful clue. > > A combination of the censuses and FreeBMD will enable you to get back > fairly > easily without leaving the house (I've found all the above in about 15 > minutes) but you would need a subscription to Ancestry. I have no > connection with them other than as a satisfied customer, and I find it > very > good value. > > Good luck > > Paul Prescott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Luckman" <davidluckman8@aol.com> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:03 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Frederick Luckman > > >> Hi >> I am new to all this, trying to locate my grandfather's birth >> certificate. >> I have a copy of his wedding certificate 1906, stating that he was 21 and >> his father was a Walter Luckman deceased, the marriage took place at >> Birmingham Registry office. I have seen on a census return of 1891 a >> Walter Luckman head of household with a son Frederick aged 6 born in >> Birmingham. According to the Freebdm website there were 2 Fredrick >> Luckman's born in Aston Birmingham in 1885/86. I have approached >> Birmingham Registry office and neither of these Fredericks had either a >> father named Walter or mother named Sarah. It appears as if Sarah died >> around the time of Frederick's birth and there is also a Frederick who >> died aged 0. In 1888 Walter remarried a Mary Ann (Nicklin) who is on the >> 1891 census as wife. Sarah is on the 1881 census as wife of Walter. >> Where do I go from here? I would welcome any suggestions. I do not live >> too from Birmingham so trip to the library would not be a proble! >> m but what questions should I be asking where do I look. >> Many thanks >> David >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >