Hi Nivard, Thanks for the info, yes Maryvale is the orphanage I was looking for. Unfortunately Elizabeth doesn't seem to be there by the time the census was taken in 1871. We know she arrived from Ireland age 10 in 1867 under the name of Elizabeth Brien but when she married at St Marks Church, Birmingham in 1879 she gave her maiden name as Wallace. I have not had much luck looking for her in 1871 at Ancestry.com and her husband William MacDonald LIVINGSTONE has proved just as elusive before the 1881 census. Regards, Chris