Hi Gerry and Helen, I think the institution in which Thomas is an inmate is Military Invaliding Depot. There are two enumeration books for this as well as two for the Military Hospital at Gillingham. So this might be a sort of convalescent home? I think his occupation is armourer - then something that could be short for Signal or Sergeant then his regiment 1/8 Foot There is a James Mesenger of the right age, also in Kent 1861 England Census about James Mesenger Name: James Mesenger Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Calbourne Civil parish: Harty County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Harty Ferry House ( head is a victualler and there is a Ferry Man among the other residents) Occupation: ag.lab Condition as to marriage: unmarried View image Registration district: Sheppey Sub-registration district: Eastchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Edward Barton 31 James Fargher 72 Thomas Finch 65 Thomas Stifford French 5 Joseph Lecost 30 Catharine Marshall 62 Charlotte Marshall 20 George Marshall 64 Katharine Marshall 24 James Mesenger 24 George Nells 64 John Perry 20 John Pilmer 33 William Spiece 20 Henry Stevens 36 Samuel Strider 59 George Younge 52 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 532; Folio: 38; Page: 8 HTH Anne On 25 Jan 2007, at 14:31, Helen Rolph wrote: > Gerry, hello > > On Ancestry.com there is a Thomas MESSINGER, aged 22, > married, born Birmingham and in Gillingham, Kent; the > page looks like it has names etc. to do with the Army. > Thomas is on page 9 of 12; RG 9 480. > > Writing is difficult to read, I wouldn't like to > hazard a guess as to the 'correct' details. > > I am not completely computer literate but if you don't > have access to Ancestry.com I could try sending > off-list. > > Helen in bitterly cold Fance > > > > > > --- Gerry Edwards <jedwac342@rogers.com> wrote: > >> Hello Listers: >> >> I am trying to locate Thomas Messenger and his >> brother James. >> In the 1841 census they were in Birmingham along >> with their parents (Thomas and Ann). James was 3 and >> Thomas was 2. >> In the 1851 census they were at Derby End, Dudley >> which I believe is in Worcestershire. James was 13 >> and Thomas 11. Both were Carters Boys. >> Both James and Thomas were born in Birmingham. The >> family moved back to Birmingham in the Aston area >> for the 1861 census, but both boys were now missing. >> I haven't been able to locate any deaths on the BDM >> site. Can anyone locate them in 1861? >> Thank you for any help you can provide. >> >> Gerry Edwards >> Canada >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage > with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >