Hi Jan As Jean has already said, civil registration started in mid 1837 so no civil registration certificates before then. (There were a few certificates made out earlier from odd Parishes but they are very few and far between and only contain the details found in the PR anyway as a rule) The entry for Joseph Onions SPENCER is from an extraction program and as such you can order a copy of the Parish Register page from the LDS for not a lot, that is if you cannot visit an LDS FHS to order in the film, then view and print them off. It will not contain the detail found on the later certificates though. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Hello again, > Thanks so much for all the assistance! > Joseph Spencer's birth date came from the IGI as did those of MaryAnn and > Joseph (Jnr). Maria's christening was 15/03/1828 at Bordesley according to > the IGI. The other children came up in the 1841 census but their father > was not present at that time.I've been told that they rounded the ages > down to the nearest five years in 1841. > I was not aware I could obtain a birth certificate for someone born in > 1800. How can I find reference numbers for that period, please? > What I have (from IGI) is > Joseph b 31 Jan 1822 St Martins, Birmingham > MaryAnn b. 25 November, 1825 St Martins > Maria ch. 15 March 1828. > > Hope this may help and thanks again. > > Jan