Can you check the dates you quote, Lee. Something doesn't quite add up! Anne On 30 Jan 2007, at 00:44, lee hatfield wrote: > john greaves came to australia from birmingham in 1852 (?) he was born > about > 1634 and had some sisters. his parents were william and mary (waters). > i > wonder if these ring a bell with anyone, as i can't find much about > them. > thanks,lee >