Dear Patricia, I can sympathise completely. We must accept that our ancestors told a lot of fibs. Have you found Mary Ann Adams death certificate? Sometime, when you least expect it, a gem will come your way and it'll be so clear.. I'll try to have a look for you tonight. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Adams" <granduba@msn.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: [B'ham] ADAMS, Herbert c1850 > Hi - it has been a while since I last posted to this list, and I am still > banging my head on a large brick wall! > > My husbands great-grandfather was Herbert ADAMS, bc 1850/51 in Aston > Magna, > then located in Gloucestershire. He was the son of James ADAMS of > Stretton-on Fosse, which I believe was then in Worcestershire. > > My problem is that after a few years of trying, I still have not found > Herbert's birth registration, and so am unable to find out who his mother > was. I have his marriage certificate to Annie Teear in 1880 and his death > certificate from 1901. On the 1861 census, RG 9/2152/80/13 - 62 Church > St, > Birmingham, St. Martin, he is recorded as 9 years old - 5 years older than > his sister Elizabeth. I also have the marriage certificate for his > father, > James Adams (Police Officer on that cert.) and Mary Ann GROMORE - Father > of > Mary Ann is Nathan GROMORE, Pawnbroker, and father of James, is James. > Mary Ann's address at the time of marriage was given as Vyse Street, > which > according to today's maps is close to the Jewelry Quarter. However, the > marriage was in Dec of 1855, St. John's, Birmingham, a few years after > Herbert was born. > > Another confusing point is that on the birth certificate of Herbert's > younger brother James William ADAMS, who was born in 1859, the mother's > name > is spelled as Mary Ann GROUMAN, but I just cannot seem to locate anyone by > either of those names - GROMORE or GROUMAN. > > Another puzzle; on the 1861 census, Mary Ann's birthplace was recorded as > Chippenham, Wiltshire, and her age as 28. On the 1871 census, (James was > now a Cab Proprietor) Mary was recorded as 36 and with a birth place of > Eaton-upon-Tern, Salop. So can I assume that there were two Mary's? Was > James previously married, even though his status at the time of his > marriage > to Mary Ann was listed as "Bachelor", or was Herbert born out of wedlock? > James had another wife at the time of the 1881 census - he married Esther > Pumphrey, widow, in 1876. > > I have ordered a number of certificates over the last while, but have > still > remained unsuccessful in my search. I would be so very grateful for any > suggestions on what I might try next! > > Very many thanks for 'listening' to my long and confusing story! > > Patricia > Ontario, Canada > > _________________________________________________________________ > Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping > http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=2,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=081805 > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >