Hello, William Gumbley was married at Saint Peter's church, Dale End, Birmingham. Does this still exist today? Whereabouts is it: is it in the city centre or on the outskirts? The wedding certificate says that William's father was Edwin Gumbley and Edwin was a shoe maker but I have been unable to find any Edwin Gumbleys in any of the censuses! (I have been using ancestry). Gumbley seems to cause problems with the transcriptors who often misread it as Chumbley, Geemley, etc! Please can anyone help find Edwin for me? I haven't found William in 1861, 51, or 41; presumably he will be with Edwin? I haven't found any Edwins in the BMD records either. William was born c. 1840. IIRC Birmingham RO could not find any birth certificate for a William born to an Edwin. I cannot find any marriage or death entry in the GRO indices for Edwin either. Possibly he married before 1837 but his death must be somewhere? The only other alternative is a family story which says the Gumbley family were fishermen from Aberdeenshire, though we don't know who came to Birmingham nor when. Could it be that Edwin was in Scotland? Thanks, Stephen.