Jeff, I have looked at the 1881 census and this is what I found Charles L Royle born Bromley his parents are Thomas & Annie Thomas came from Salford. Charles L Royle born W Derby his parents are Henry & Elizabeth and they came from Sheffield. I would say look into 1891 & 1901 may give you some idea according to where you think the family originated. Ken B No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1508 - Release Date: 18/06/2008 9:08 PM