If I may add a comment on this subject (so far dominated by Listers from the Antipodes, I note!), the brother of my gt. grandfather was baptised in the parish church at Norton, nr. Evesham on 30 March 1828 and again in the same church on Christmas Day 1834. His was the only baptism recorded on the latter date, so this was not some village ceremonial associated with Christmas, and my gt.grandfather, his elder brother, was not baptised a second time on the same occasion. Initially I assumed that this was a second child given the same name, the first one having died, but all subsequent census entries from 1841 to 1901, and other information I have, record his age based on an 1828 birth date. A sister of my grandfather was a Baptist, and her funeral was conducted in the same parish church in 1951 under the Burial Laws Amendment Act, but I have so far found no other family connection with the Baptists, and in any case, if there was one, surely the second baptism would not have taken place in an Anglican church also? Keith Houghton [Sydney, Oz] [email protected] wrote: > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: baptised twice [was non-conformist baptism] (Norma Bethune) > 2. Re: baptised twice [was non-conformist baptism] (Graham Cole) > 3. Re: baptised twice [was non-conformist baptism] (Ros Gooden) > 4. MORRIS- DELAHAY FAMILIES (Carla Mikkelson) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [B'ham] baptised twice [was non-conformist baptism] > From: > Norma Bethune <[email protected]> > Date: > Tue, 13 May 2008 00:53:23 +1200 > To: > [email protected], Robert Riden <[email protected]> > > To: > [email protected], Robert Riden <[email protected]> > > > Hello Graham, > Although not non-conformist, my grandfather's sister, Rachel BROWN was > christened twice. > > In the Parish Register of St Peter's, Liverpool, I found: > -1871: baptised 1 Oct, born 17 April; Rachel, daughter of William Jackson > and Mary BROWN, waterman, Birkenhead > > Not long after, a friend found another baptism for the same child at > St Anne's, Birkenhead: > -1871: Rachel, daughter of William Jackson and Mary BROWN, flatman, > Flamank Street, Birkenhead, bapt 27 Aug > > I agree that it's unusual, but would anyone know if there was some > reason why this would happen in Anglican churches? > > TIA, > Norma in Mosgiel nr Dunedin, New Zealand > > robert riden wrote: >> Hi Graham >> It would be very unusual for people to be baptised twice. If you were >> N/C you would have your children "Christened" unless a member of a >> Baptist church (or similar) when the child would be dedicated and then >> when old enough to make his/her own commitment would be baptised as an >> adult believer. Christening would often be referred to as baptism but >> we baptists would want to differentiate. >> Rob > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [B'ham] baptised twice [was non-conformist baptism] > From: > "Graham Cole" <[email protected]> > Date: > Mon, 12 May 2008 16:31:27 +0100 > To: > <[email protected]> > > To: > <[email protected]> > > > Hi Norma. > > I'd explained the Non-conformist / Anglican Baptism to myself as they were > possibly using the Anglican baptism as a kind of "Insurance Policy" for > parish relief. However, if I've got the correct person, then the N/C > Baptism would have been a child too, which Rob said was unlikely as they are > baptised as adults. So it's back to the drawing board for me. > > As to your problem. Liverpool and Birkenhead were quite a distance apart > before the ferry and tunnel. Perhaps they had family on both sides who > wanted to witness the Christening and they thought "What the heck, lets just > have two." Just an idea. > > Cheers, > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:eng-warks- > > Hello Graham, > Although not non-conformist, my grandfather's sister, Rachel BROWN was > christened twice. > > In the Parish Register of St Peter's, Liverpool, I found: > -1871: baptised 1 Oct, born 17 April; Rachel, daughter of William Jackson > and Mary BROWN, waterman, Birkenhead > > Not long after, a friend found another baptism for the same child at St > Anne's, Birkenhead: > -1871: Rachel, daughter of William Jackson and Mary BROWN, flatman, > Flamank Street, Birkenhead, bapt 27 Aug > > I agree that it's unusual, but would anyone know if there was some > reason why this would happen in Anglican churches? > > TIA, > Norma in Mosgiel nr Dunedin, New Zealand > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [B'ham] baptised twice [was non-conformist baptism] > From: > "Ros Gooden" <[email protected]> > Date: > Tue, 13 May 2008 07:41:20 +0930 > To: > <[email protected]> > > To: > <[email protected]> > > > Dear Graeme, > As I understand it prior to 1 July 1837, records of births, christenings (infant baptism), marriages and deaths were in the hands of clergymen of the Church of England. However Baptist births were not automatically recorded in parish records., because they conscientiously disfavoured infant baptism. A court of law often would recognised an extract from the parish records as a valid legal document, whereas Nonconformist records were usually not recognised. So you have some families in order to protect their rights conforming. > Early legislation in 1695 and 1700 required Dissenter's births to be reported to the parish either to be added to the register or entered into a separate book. But this may not have been done and not all churches kept their own records. More likely of adult/believers baptism than of births. > > Good hunting. > Ros from South Australia. > > You may find Geoffrey Breed's book "My ancestors were Baptists" a help. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [B'ham] MORRIS- DELAHAY FAMILIES > From: > Carla Mikkelson <[email protected]> > Date: > Tue, 13 May 2008 07:27:51 +1000 (EST) > To: > [email protected] > > To: > [email protected] > > > Hi Listers > > I am researching the above families, well MORRIS in particular. > My 2 times great grandmother was Mary Ann MORRIS born > 1851 in Fenny Stratford, Bucks, her sister Adeline Eliza MORRIS > born 1864 in Bow Brickhill in Bucks married Alfred William DELAHAY > in 1891 in Eversholt in Bucks. Alfred was born in 1866 in Nottingham. > They appear to have lived in Birmingham most of their married lives. > in 1893 they were at "Goldthorne" in Drayton Road in Kings Heath and > by 1898 they were at "Cloveleys" 41 Addison Road Kings Heath or Kings > Norton? They had two children that I am aware of Alfred Francis Morris > DELAHAY born 1893, no descendants for him have been found and > Robert Cecil DELAHAY born 1898. He died in WW1 in 1917 in France > and is listed on the Commonwealth Grave Site. > > I am hoping there may be some family around that can give me some details > about this family line. My 2x GG Mary Ann MORRIS lived with a Frederick > COOK and came to New Zealand along with her son Francis George Albert > "Bertie" MORRIS, other siblings with Mary Ann and Adeline Eliza were > Elizabeth born 1846 in Woburn, Beds, Sarah Ann born 1848 in Woburn Beds > Emily born 1849 in Woburn beds (none of them married), Arthur John born 1854 > in Bow Brickhill Bucks, (He went to Australia), Alfred Edward born 1855 born > in Bow Brickhill (he went to America), Albert Francis born 1858 in Bow Brickhill > (he went to Canada), Ellen born 1859 in Bow Brickhill she married Thomas LAMB > and came to New Zealand, Mark Henry born 1862 in Bow Brickhill and Alice Maude > MORRIS born 1866 in Wavendon in Bucks, she married William Thomas EDWARDS > and lived in Reigate, Surrey. Their parents were Francis MORRIS and Eliza WARREN. > > I have found descendants of a lot of the siblings but Adeline Elizas descendants if any > remain a mystery. Her husband Alfred William DELAHAY's parents were Alfred born > 1843 in Birmingham and his mother was Sarah Ann TOMDROW born 1845 > in Nottingham he had siblings Edith Eleanor, Jessie Tomdrow, Gertrude Evelyn, > Bertha Mabel and Gwendoline Marie. > > Anyone who could help and suggest any avenues to find descendants would be > gratefully received. > > One relative says his mother mentioned that Adeline Elizas husband Alfred William > DELAHAY was an organist at Cadburys Model Village? > > Thank you > > Carla from > Auckland > New Zealand > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. >