Stephen, The address in 1851 19 crt in Bromsgrove St 8 house back of 15 (19 crt is the back of #15) 1861 he moved house to #5 Bromsgrove St is still there in my road map on the oppopsite side of Brum to the JQ. I would make a guess that they were silver pens. I don't think Latimer St is still there and cannot remember where it was located. Looking at my 1920 map Latimer St Sth was about half a mile or so from Bromsgrove St by Gt Colmore St. Labourers were not apprentices. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" <[email protected]> To: "Lesley" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] silversmiths > Hello Lesley, > > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 3:27:39 PM, you wrote: > >> Can you give us any more information such as names and dates, etc. If >> you >> know who they worked for and what to find out more then Birmingham >> Central >> Library archives holds a lot of information > > Hello, > > Sorry for my late reply, I was the original poster. > > My ancestor was Richard Morris. > > On the 1841 census he was living in Bromsgrove Street. > > The 1851 census elaborates that he lived at number 15, 19 Court 8 H > Bromsgrove Street. Can anyone explain the 19 court, 8H bit? I thought > it meant the 19th Courtyard behind the 8th House but there seem to be > an awful lot of people living in 19 Ct on that census page. > > In 1861 he is at 19 Court, 5 House, so does this mean he moved a few > doors up? > > In the 1871 census he had moved to Latimer Street South, 1 Court No. > 2. One of his sons was listed as a Silversmith's labourer. Does this > mean he was an apprentice or was a labourer less than that? > > I haven't got a map of Birmingham. Would these roads, in the St. > Martin's district, be in the jewellery quarter? Do any of those roads > survive today? > > In 1871 a daughter is listed as a pen maker. Could this be another > link to the JQ? Was the JQ also famous for pens as well as jewellery? > Doesn't it have a pen makers' museum today? I will have to visit it. > > I don't know whether Richard worked for himself or for a larger > company; how would I find that out? > > Curiously I have just received Richard's wife's death certificate. > Whereas on all of the censuses and certificates Richard was listed as > silversmith, on this certificate he is listed as "pencil base maker > (journeyman)". > > What is a pencil base? Since he passed away before his wife, I am > puzzled why he had a posthumous career change! I presume these pencil > bases were made of silver and that both descriptions were accurate? > > To answer my earlier question, his widow was not the person of the > same name at the workhouse; I found her living at 15 court 5 House, > Latimer Street, South in 1881, so again a move of a few doors. She was > living with one of her sons (not the son mentioned above). This son was > working as a white metal stamper. I presume the "white metal" was > silver? Would he have been stamping jewellery out of silver sheets? > > Thanks, > Stephen. > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 23/07/2008 > 1:31 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 23/07/2008 1:31 PM