Hi Stephen probably worth pointing out that "white metal" is not silver but a base metal which would be silver plated. The term refers to different alloys with quite a lot of uses from jewellery to industrial. Useful article on Wikipaedia. Rob 2008/7/24 Kenneth William Bibb <[email protected]>: > Stephen, > The address in 1851 19 crt in Bromsgrove St 8 house back of 15 (19 crt is > the back of #15) > 1861 he moved house to #5 > Bromsgrove St is still there in my road map on the oppopsite side of Brum to > the JQ. > I would make a guess that they were silver pens. > I don't think Latimer St is still there and cannot remember where it was > located. Looking at my 1920 map Latimer St Sth was about half a mile or so > from Bromsgrove St by Gt Colmore St. > Labourers were not apprentices. > > Ken B > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen" <[email protected]> > To: "Lesley" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] silversmiths > > >> Hello Lesley, >> >> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 3:27:39 PM, you wrote: >> >>> Can you give us any more information such as names and dates, etc. If >>> you >>> know who they worked for and what to find out more then Birmingham >>> Central >>> Library archives holds a lot of information >> >> Hello, >> >> Sorry for my late reply, I was the original poster. >> >> My ancestor was Richard Morris. >> >> On the 1841 census he was living in Bromsgrove Street. >> >> The 1851 census elaborates that he lived at number 15, 19 Court 8 H >> Bromsgrove Street. Can anyone explain the 19 court, 8H bit? I thought >> it meant the 19th Courtyard behind the 8th House but there seem to be >> an awful lot of people living in 19 Ct on that census page. >> >> In 1861 he is at 19 Court, 5 House, so does this mean he moved a few >> doors up? >> >> In the 1871 census he had moved to Latimer Street South, 1 Court No. >> 2. One of his sons was listed as a Silversmith's labourer. Does this >> mean he was an apprentice or was a labourer less than that? >> >> I haven't got a map of Birmingham. Would these roads, in the St. >> Martin's district, be in the jewellery quarter? Do any of those roads >> survive today? >> >> In 1871 a daughter is listed as a pen maker. Could this be another >> link to the JQ? Was the JQ also famous for pens as well as jewellery? >> Doesn't it have a pen makers' museum today? I will have to visit it. >> >> I don't know whether Richard worked for himself or for a larger >> company; how would I find that out? >> >> Curiously I have just received Richard's wife's death certificate. >> Whereas on all of the censuses and certificates Richard was listed as >> silversmith, on this certificate he is listed as "pencil base maker >> (journeyman)". >> >> What is a pencil base? Since he passed away before his wife, I am >> puzzled why he had a posthumous career change! I presume these pencil >> bases were made of silver and that both descriptions were accurate? >> >> To answer my earlier question, his widow was not the person of the >> same name at the workhouse; I found her living at 15 court 5 House, >> Latimer Street, South in 1881, so again a move of a few doors. She was >> living with one of her sons (not the son mentioned above). This son was >> working as a white metal stamper. I presume the "white metal" was >> silver? Would he have been stamping jewellery out of silver sheets? >> >> Thanks, >> Stephen. >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >> www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will >> then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 23/07/2008 >> 1:31 PM >> >> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 23/07/2008 1:31 PM > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robert L Riden