Hello, I would appreciate any suggestions to find BERTHA JAYS/JAYES ? JEYES  I have found her up to the 1911 census . In 1911 she was  a widow at 124  Somerset  St.  Handsworth..   I cannot find her death after that .  I wondered if she remarried but she was 74 in 1911 , not impossible but not likely I would think.  I have checked death indexes under her married name and her maiden name of   Griffiths.   Is there some other death index than Ancestry , the Mormon site and Free BDM  ?  I would like her death certificate if I could narrow things down . Suggestions please? Robin . Ottawa.

Robin, as with others I also have checked the GRO indexes on findmypast without success. I can confirm that a Bertha Griffiths married a John Jayes in Birmingham, Sept quarter of 1874. Are you sure this is the one? Was Bertha her real name? My grandmother`s first son was given the names William Francis Laurence on his birth certificate, thereafter he was always known as Francis (Marriage and Death Certificates, War records, etc) due, no doubt, to the fact that his father carried the same three forenames. Is Bertha a derivative of another name such as Elizabeth which, I believe, holds the record for the greatest source of derived names - Lizzie, Betty, Beth and so on. I notice that she was a widow in 1911. If she died without re-marriage or with any living relatives then I wonder who would have given the details as to her name, etc when registering her death? Would they have known her full names and other personal details. Did she die in a workhouse or hospital where details may not have been known or written down correctly? Let us know how you get on and if we can be of any help. Bob in Warwickshire -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Carter Sent: 30 October 2009 20:17 To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] suggestions please Hello, I would appreciate any suggestions to find BERTHA JAYS/JAYES ? JEYES  I have found her up to the 1911 census . In 1911 she was  a widow at 124  Somerset  St.  Handsworth..   I cannot find her death after that .  I wondered if she remarried but she was 74 in 1911 , not impossible but not likely I would think.  I have checked death indexes under her married name and her maiden name of   Griffiths.   Is there some other death index than Ancestry , the Mormon site and Free BDM  ?  I would like her death certificate if I could narrow things down . Suggestions please? Robin . Ottawa. _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message