Nivard & Marlene Thanks for the suggestions. The only suitable FreeBMD birth entry is Adelaide Hadley birth Q4 1879 Kings Norton If this is the one she is going to be 9 years older than Joseph William Can anyone find her in the 1881/91/01 census. Look like I might have to send for the marriage certificate or as the were both in the 1950 electoral roll search for a death after that date in Birmingham to give me an idea of a birth year. Mike in a fresh wind in Droitwich >