Kia Ora Jackie I think most of us are surprised to find how far and how often our ancestors travelled! Don't discount the family rumours there's usuallly an element of truth! I set up individual files for each individual with a piece of paper in the front with these headings Birth Baptism Marriage Death Burial Headstone Photos/Other Evidence As I gather the relevant info I mark it off! When someone asks "what do you want for Christmas?Birthday ? I look at my files and request a particular cert which I am missing! Otherwise I am constantly on the lookout for new info knowing excatly what I need! Other evidence includes Military Records, Court Appearances, Newspaper Clippings etc. Annie Linehan's death may have been noted in Brum newspapers if she was well known for example and you have a date which is very helpful. Frederick D may be on Immigration lists to the US or the 1890 census; if he had an accident it might well be reported - worth a look! Bessie Mina's baptism may have been at St James. When you have all the "evidence" you might be surprised at the level of accuracy of family memories even if some "porkies' have spread around the events over time! Good Luck Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <jackie005@talktalk.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham > Firstly many thanks to Lesley and Marlene, I've spent the last few hours > in the loft going through an ever increasing amount of family history > files. > > Lesley you're correct, it's definitely 18 Wood St Ladywood Birmingham 5th > May 1914 on Annie Louise's death cert. W. Griffin nephew is said to have > been present at death, he also gives the address as his own. > > Marlene, you've done so much, thank you so very much. > You have definitely picked the correct Pool family. . . > > I do have Annie Louise's marriage cert. Frederick Dowler is aged 24 yrs > and Annie 17 yrs. > They married in St James Church Ashton but it actually looks like Ashted > Warwick. > They were both living at 18 Prospect Row at the time they married. > Frederick is believed to have been Bessie Minna's father. Frederick's > father was John Dowler a gold beater. > the story goes that soon after they married Frederick went to America, > soon after arriving he was knocked down and killed by a tram but I'm more > inclined to think another red herring..there's so many used as cover up's > within this family. > > Bessie Minna was born 3rd Dec 1888 Annie Louise was living at 52 Monument > St. No father listed. > Bessie Minna died Donegal 1967. None of her Irish family have any details > of the Birmingham family but their well known Irish Showband 'The Sleive > Foy' I believe frequently played in Birmingham during the 1950's and > early 1960's. > > I do have the 1891 census and it's only Annie and Bessie Minna together > living in Hull, no sign of Frederick and I cannot find them anywhere on > the 1901 census so presume they were in Ireland with John > Linehan..consequently the baby Frederick you mention is unlikely to be > there's but worth investigating nevertheless. > > I will follow up your suggestion re birth of Minnie Pool West Ham. > > Many thanks Jackie. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham > > >> Kia Ora >> Alwys helps if you give the list the best info you have. >> ANNIE LOUISE POOL was born Sept Q 1871 Birmingham 6d/23 In 1881 she is >> listed as the dau of Benjamin & Elizabeth Pool Annie is a scholar, her >> mother a dressmaker and her father a bedstead packer. >> Bessie Minna POOL was born Dec Q 1888 Birmingham 6d/23 >> Annie Louise POOL married Frederick DOWLER June q 1889 Aston. >> There's a death of a Frederick DOWLER aged 73 Dec Q 1889 Aston. Another >> Frederick DOWLER death in 1902 Aston aged 53? - perhaps she married a >> much >> older fellow? >> Also the death of an infant Frederick Dec Q 1893 Aston so perhaps they >> had a >> son who died young? >> Annie L died 1914 as ANNIE LINEHAN. >> Might this be a birth for Minna? MINNIE POOL Dec 1898 West Ham 4a/222? >> If you don't have the certs above I'd suggest you purchase - not only >> will >> it give you more accurate information there maybe additional information! >> Have you got the 1901 census? >> Happy hunting >> Marlene >> New Zealand >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jackie" <jackie005@talktalk.net> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:08 AM >> Subject: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham >> >> >>>I had hoped the release of the 1911 Irish census would solve many >>>mystery's >>> for me but it thrown up more questions than answered. >>> >>> Daughter of Benjamin and Elizabeth Pool..................Annie Louise >>> Pool >>> 1871. Piano Forte Tutor (Birm) . >>> Daughter Bessie Minna 1887.(Birm) >>> Married Bessie's father Frederick Dowler 1888 (Birm) >>> >>> 1891 census Annie (Musician) and Minna back to name of Pool in Hull, >>> Frederick remains a mystery. >>> >>> 1911 Kilkenny Ireland, Annie Louise partnering John Linehan 1882 born >>> Cork >>> Ireland. >>> John Linehan was a Concert Promoter and Travelling Showman. >>> Found 2 more daughters with them Minna born 1897 England and Annie 1907 >>> Dublin. >>> The family were touring in their caravans with other Show people. >>> >>> Eldest daughter Bessie, her husband Tom Brennan, 2 children Lydia and >>> Mary >>> Bessie are not on census although they were definitely in Ireland >>> touring >>> with their Travelling Show. >>> >>> 1914 Annie died of meningitis, Wood St Ladymead, her nephew W. Griffin >>> was >>> present at birth. John Linehan listed as Travelling Showman on cert. >>> W.. Griffin son of Mary Pool, Annie's sister. >>> >>> No one in the family knew of Annie's other 2 daughters so wondering what >>> happened to them and John Linehan after Annie's death, can anyone throw >>> any >>> light on this family. >>> Regards Jackie >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message