In a message dated 30/08/2009 17:11:30 GMT Daylight Time, candy713@comcast.net writes: .....Edgbaston Birmingham... My Smiths probably lived in Edgbaston Birmingham if the church was there . How far away would that be from Aston Manor? Hi Have a look at this site as it gives a good story of the oratory church and the families concerned with it. It was also the family church of J.R.R. Tolkein and it tells of that. The Church was at Edgbaston which like Aston is part of Birmingham City. It tells you the address of the church which is Hagley Road. _http://www.theoratory.org.uk/TheOratory/Tolkien/tabid/76/Default.aspx_ (http://www.theoratory.org.uk/TheOratory/Tolkien/tabid/76/Default.aspx) There is also a picture of the church on Google Maps. _http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl&q=Edgbaston%2C%20Birmingham_ (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl&q=Edgbaston,%20Birmingham) You can also find pictures and maps on Google Maps which will give you idea of the area. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html