Hello Listers, I was wondering if there is anyone interested in the following. If so I would be very interested to hear from you. ? Pugh married a Mary b 1781 in Shropshire. They had 4 known children Elizabeth Pugh b 1816 Jane Pugh b 1821 John and Thomas Pugh b 1826 Elizabeth Pugh married a William Gee b 1816 in Mar Coventry in 1842 in Stourbridge. They had 6 known children William b 1843 Elizabeth b 1846 Susannah b 1848 Ralph b 1850 John H b 1853 Eleanor b 1858 William died abt 1863 in Aston Warwickshire and Elizabeth died abt 1867 in Aston Warwickshire I would like to try and find out more on this family. I believe Susannah married a George Phillips and they had a daughter Cecilia Elizabeth b 1869. They left England for New Zealand but I have been unable to find any records of them leaving English shores. I am only assuming the above is correct regarding marriage as I have been unable to confirm this and the birth of Cecilia but only putting into pieces of information I have from New Zealand shores. I would appreciate anyone if they could further this information for me. Kindest Regards Karen

Hi Marlene Thank you for the email. I will take your suggestion and send more info to the list. Yes you do have the right Patrick & Mary. The birth certificate of Margaret confirmed Mary was a Smith. Best Wishes Chris Quoting Marlene Shipman <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz>: > Kia Ora Chris > I'm unsure whether you have given the list enough information to be be able > to help you! > 1911 is a pay site so without paying for the details listers do not know the > > ages of the couple, their birth locations, the names & ages of their > children nor their location in 1911etc. > > Presumably you know the birth dates of at least 2 children and have the > certificates that prove their parentage?? Had Mary Smith been previously > married? > Who was the Informant - one of the parents or a possible relative? > Have you followed through with all the siblings to check for naming patterns > > /locations/occupations etc? > > Start with your parnts and enter ALL siblings + partmers + children on > family group sheet. > Enter your grandparents +ALL siblings + all children > Similarly your great grandparents + ALL siblings & all children > By this time you should have a good record either through Electoral Rolls or > > the 1911 census to be able to find everyone in 1901, 1891, 1881 etc. > > By wild guess from the info you have given I have found a MARY GRAHAM aged > 26 from Darlaston Staffs living with a PATRICK GRAHAM 39 from Ireland and > > 2 daughters MARY & MARGARET 13 months in 1881 living in Lancaster St B'ham > in 1881. Is that your family? > I do not have access to Ancestry now so cannot tell what clues there might > be in 1891 and 1901 censii. > > HOW DO YOU KNOW MARY was nee SMITH? > Perhaps with a fw more clues someone might be able to guide you further? > Regards > Marlene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jack.smith@ukonline.co.uk> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:07 AM > Subject: [B'ham] Graham family > > > > > > Hi > > > > Is anyone researching the surname Graham in the Birmingham area. > > > > I am trying to establish if Mary Smith who married (hopefully)Patrick > > Graham > > from Ireland 1871 - 1881 was the daughter of James Smith Shoemaker. > > > > In 1911 they claimed to have been married 40yrs and had four children. The > > first two children where baptised at St Peter's RC & St Michael's RC. > > > > There marriage does not appear in the GRO index between 1871 & 1901. > > > > Any local knowledge or advise would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Best Wishes > > Chris > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > _____________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

My uncle on my mother's side was baptised in 1899 in a Church in Smethwick, where my motherw was also baptised. My mother at the time lived on Bellefield Rd and in the 1901 Census was Heath Green, both in Smethwick. My uncle's address was recorded as New Street, Winson Green. Looking at a current map, New Street appears to be west of Winson Green almost into Sandwell. Does any one have a 1900 era map to see if New Street was at one time in Winson Green? Thanks Reg

Hi List I,ve had a major coniption with my computer , lost loads if files , and emails etc, can anyone researching above please get in touch with view to obtaining that lost information again . thank you Gary Hodge

Kia Ora Chris I'm unsure whether you have given the list enough information to be be able to help you! 1911 is a pay site so without paying for the details listers do not know the ages of the couple, their birth locations, the names & ages of their children nor their location in 1911etc. Presumably you know the birth dates of at least 2 children and have the certificates that prove their parentage?? Had Mary Smith been previously married? Who was the Informant - one of the parents or a possible relative? Have you followed through with all the siblings to check for naming patterns /locations/occupations etc? Start with your parnts and enter ALL siblings + partmers + children on family group sheet. Enter your grandparents +ALL siblings + all children Similarly your great grandparents + ALL siblings & all children By this time you should have a good record either through Electoral Rolls or the 1911 census to be able to find everyone in 1901, 1891, 1881 etc. By wild guess from the info you have given I have found a MARY GRAHAM aged 26 from Darlaston Staffs living with a PATRICK GRAHAM 39 from Ireland and 2 daughters MARY & MARGARET 13 months in 1881 living in Lancaster St B'ham in 1881. Is that your family? I do not have access to Ancestry now so cannot tell what clues there might be in 1891 and 1901 censii. HOW DO YOU KNOW MARY was nee SMITH? Perhaps with a fw more clues someone might be able to guide you further? Regards Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <jack.smith@ukonline.co.uk> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:07 AM Subject: [B'ham] Graham family > > Hi > > Is anyone researching the surname Graham in the Birmingham area. > > I am trying to establish if Mary Smith who married (hopefully)Patrick > Graham > from Ireland 1871 - 1881 was the daughter of James Smith Shoemaker. > > In 1911 they claimed to have been married 40yrs and had four children. The > first two children where baptised at St Peter's RC & St Michael's RC. > > There marriage does not appear in the GRO index between 1871 & 1901. > > Any local knowledge or advise would be greatly appreciated. > > Best Wishes > Chris > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, AS I was under the impression that the numbering started from the lowest which faced closest to the city. I know in lots of instances where I lived. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jakeman" <sjbg02299@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Street addresses in Birmingham > >From my own experience, Birmingham originally numbered streets starting > >at > one end and then went up to the end and back down the other side. Later > they > adopted the numbering system common to-day of odd numbers one side and > evens > on the other. For example, in the case of Brearley Street, I have > ancestors > at Nos 118 & 119 in 1871 that became 41 & 47 respectively in 1881. > The only sure way to check is from the street directories, if you can > compare a family that lived in either street from the 1850s through to the > end of the century. > > Mike > Birmingham, England > > ----- Original Message ----- > Somebody is going to take photos for me of a couple of streets in > Birmingham. I was wondering whether the numbering has changed on > either Brearley Street or Bissell Street since the 1850s, or how one > finds out about possible numbering changes for other streets I may be > interested in later on. > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From my own experience, Birmingham originally numbered streets starting at one end and then went up to the end and back down the other side. Later they adopted the numbering system common to-day of odd numbers one side and evens on the other. For example, in the case of Brearley Street, I have ancestors at Nos 118 & 119 in 1871 that became 41 & 47 respectively in 1881. The only sure way to check is from the street directories, if you can compare a family that lived in either street from the 1850s through to the end of the century. Mike Birmingham, England ----- Original Message ----- Somebody is going to take photos for me of a couple of streets in Birmingham. I was wondering whether the numbering has changed on either Brearley Street or Bissell Street since the 1850s, or how one finds out about possible numbering changes for other streets I may be interested in later on.

Hi Michael As a teenager in the 1950s I lived less than half a mile from the address in Selly Oak Road. It was, (and still is) a very pleasant and leafy residential area. It's very close to the extensive parkland that was part of the Bournville estate owned by the Cadbury family (of chocolate fame). As I recall, the houses on the west side of the road were probably built after 1911, but those on the east are large semi-detached houses built in late Victorian or Edwardian times. The house I lived in was of a similar age and size and included a bell system for the servants. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "pyd_zac7" <pyd_zac7@internode.on.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 10:40 PM Subject: [B'ham] 1911 streets >I have just checked the new 1911 census details and found the streets > where my mother and her sister were living after they started work as > young women in service when they moved up to the Midlands from Somerset. > > Whilst I have been able to locate the streets on Google Map I guess that > they may have changed considerably since 1911 and Google does not show the > street numbers. > > I wonder if any lister has access to older street directories possibly pre > 1940 which show the streets and if numbers are by any chance shown also. > > The streets are 203 Selly Oak Road Kings Norton and > Ashdene, Florence Road, Erdington. > > It would be of interest to obtain some background to the location and > types of houses they worked in > > Any help would be greatly appreciated > > Michael McDonnell Adelaide Australia > >

Is anyone researching William Charles MORECOCK, ? Probably born London area, about 1868 / 1871, there are a couple of families showing in the Birmingham area, with the occupations of Gun Maker, or Gun Finisher, some born away from Birmingham. Mary

Somebody is going to take photos for me of a couple of streets in Birmingham.  I was wondering whether the numbering has changed on either Brearley Street or Bissell Street since the 1850s, or how one finds out about possible numbering changes for other streets I may be interested in later on. Thank you. Ros ****************************** Research interests: Birmingham BACON, CARR London: BACON, BRIDER, BOND, GODDARD, GRAFFHAM, MORTON, WILLSON Berkshire: BOND, GRAFFHAM Essex: BACON, BOND

Hi Is anyone researching the surname Graham in the Birmingham area. I am trying to establish if Mary Smith who married (hopefully)Patrick Graham from Ireland 1871 - 1881 was the daughter of James Smith Shoemaker. In 1911 they claimed to have been married 40yrs and had four children. The first two children where baptised at St Peter's RC & St Michael's RC. There marriage does not appear in the GRO index between 1871 & 1901. Any local knowledge or advise would be greatly appreciated. Best Wishes Chris ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Hi Michael, Ashdene, Florence Road, Erdington in the 1908 directory shows as a John Rowbottom. Selly Oak Road is not listed By 1912, the only house shown in Florence Road is one called Villemark. The occupant of 203 Selly Oak Road is Harold Crompton. By 1932, Forence Road, Erdington is not listed at all. The occupant of 203 Selly Oak Road is George Stanley HORNE. All I can tell you regards location is that number 203 lies between Franklin Road and Northfield Road. If you can be more specific on the years and names you are seeking, I will check other years and the Electoral Roll. Regards, Maurice at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "pyd_zac7" <pyd_zac7@internode.on.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: [B'ham] 1911 streets >I have just checked the new 1911 census details and found the streets > where my mother and her sister were living after they started work as > young women in service when they moved up to the Midlands from Somerset. > > Whilst I have been able to locate the streets on Google Map I guess that > they may have changed considerably since 1911 and Google does not show > the street numbers. > > I wonder if any lister has access to older street directories possibly > pre 1940 which show the streets and if numbers are by any chance shown > also. > > The streets are 203 Selly Oak Road Kings Norton and > Ashdene, Florence Road, Erdington. > > It would be of interest to obtain some background to the location and > types of houses they worked in > > Any help would be greatly appreciated > > Michael McDonnell Adelaide Australia > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

hello to all, I am returning after a long period of absence looking for DEARN   DURN   DERN  DUREN  DUERN ETC all Birmingham   also PREECE  PITT RECORD GARNER I am also trying to find living relatives any ideas, very welcome Aileen Durn

Interesting that Florence Road was then in Erdington and not Sutton Coldfield as it is now. We have relatives on Florence Road and the houses are quite large and most of them if not all, have been renovated. From my few visits there from Canada, I remember the houses being numbered but that's not to say they aren't also named. It was a lovely quiet street last time I was there and lined with nice three storey homes. I believe one was also a home for the elderly. I'll see if I can get a photo... Bev BC Canada Quoting pyd_zac7 <pyd_zac7@internode.on.net>: > The streets are 203 Selly Oak Road Kings Norton and > Ashdene, Florence Road, Erdington. > > It would be of interest to obtain some background to the location and > types of houses they worked in > > > Michael McDonnell Adelaide Australia > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________

I have just checked the new 1911 census details and found the streets where my mother and her sister were living after they started work as young women in service when they moved up to the Midlands from Somerset. Whilst I have been able to locate the streets on Google Map I guess that they may have changed considerably since 1911 and Google does not show the street numbers. I wonder if any lister has access to older street directories possibly pre 1940 which show the streets and if numbers are by any chance shown also. The streets are 203 Selly Oak Road Kings Norton and Ashdene, Florence Road, Erdington. It would be of interest to obtain some background to the location and types of houses they worked in Any help would be greatly appreciated Michael McDonnell Adelaide Australia

Message from Michael Ingram about this:- "I have just spoken to Keith and the problem with the site is that the Network Card's have failed on the server. The engineers have gone home so without a large payment things will not be sorted until they are back at 7am" Hopefully it will be back online in the morning. Regards, Maurice at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fisher" <mjflists@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [B'ham] Birmingham History Forum > Hi All > > does anyone know what has happened to the Birmingham History Forum ? > http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/ > > Mike Fisher in Droitwich > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mike, It's been down since early yesterday evening. I've tried to contact a couple of people who might know but no response yet. Maurice at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fisher" <mjflists@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [B'ham] Birmingham History Forum > Hi All > > does anyone know what has happened to the Birmingham History Forum ? > http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/ > > Mike Fisher in Droitwich > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

it was there 2 days ago but not now, hopefully maintenance. On Brum related matters have you seen this site, its excellent. http://billdargue.jimdo.com/ Dave Carr Paignton Devon On 20 May 2009, at 13:10, Mike Fisher wrote: Hi All does anyone know what has happened to the Birmingham History Forum ? http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/ Mike Fisher in Droitwich _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David I was very interested in the photo's on your site of Tower Rd. 1950-51 I served milk in Tower Rd for the co-op, we started at the shops at Aston Cross turned left off the lichfield Rd up Tower Rd turned Right into Upper Thomas St left into Clifton Rd right to the end done a bit in Upper Sutton St the all the way down Tower Rd and finished up inUpper Thomas St at the Park Rd corner. All them back houses and the yards, I always wondered what they ever done with all those Blue Pavers must have been millions, but they were good for dragging the milk crates on. Thanks David, Ken Bibb(from sunny OZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fisher" <uk.dave@gmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] 19 Wheeleys Road Edgbaston > Hello again Margaret, > > I visited Tower Road, Aston on one of my travels and there is little left > of > it, see *http://tinyurl.com/q8fl7r* <http://tinyurl.com/q8fl7r> > > Maurice (hello again Maurice ) is the person who originally asked me about > Wheeleys Road. Incidentally I checked Street View and Wheeleys Road has > not > been included in the photographs. And number 17 appears to be shown at the > wrong end of Wheeleys Road on google-maps. The approximate location of the > building is nearly opposite the junction with Yew Tree Lane towards the > north-eastern end of Wheeleys Road. > I have just reviewed my correspondence with Maurice and the house > numbering > suggests that number 19 would be the building on the far left of the > photograph I sent you, and not the one adjacent to the Cadbury blue-plaque > house. > Good luck > Best wishes, > David Fisher. > "I intend to live forever... so far so good!" > -- > Pictures of FISHERs (Brum), CONGREAVEs (Notts and Brum) > and PUGHs and GATENBYs (Durham, Yorks and Brum) > at http://snygyst.blogspot.com > > Images of BRUM at http://brummages.blogspot.com > > For Brummages updates follow http://twitter.com/Snygyst > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All does anyone know what has happened to the Birmingham History Forum ? http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/ Mike Fisher in Droitwich