please would anyone on the list be kind enough to look up telephone numbers for birmingham and aston I am looking for cousins name of DURN My dad was adopted by his mothers sister, and lost touch with his uncles family, I would really love to find my family, many thanks in anticipation aileen durn

Hi Ken As I posted previously the overseas indexes are free to use on familyrelatives.com so you don't need to pay , Ancestry don't have the overseas indexes unfortunately Overseas military or their family were not recorded in the census in this Country until the 1911 census (that particular index has yet to be released) If they were at home on leave or stationed in the UK they would have been recorded in the usual way Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Dave > The issue as regards a British Death Certificate is a bit of a ticklish > question! I would suggest that you check all of the following indices (via > "Ancestry" and /or "findmypast"?): > Service (Army) Deaths > Consular Deaths > Overseas Deaths > Whether or not you will find anything remains to be seen - but good luck! > > It is extremely unlikely that you will find her on the British 1891 and > 1901 > censuses. There is an outside chance that you *might* find him if his army > unit got recorded, given that they were official British ex-pats, but I > would not like to put any money on your doing so! > Ken. > In rural West Sussex, U.K.

Hi Dave The issue as regards a British Death Certificate is a bit of a ticklish question! I would suggest that you check all of the following indices (via "Ancestry" and /or "findmypast"?): Service (Army) Deaths Consular Deaths Overseas Deaths Whether or not you will find anything remains to be seen - but good luck! It is extremely unlikely that you will find her on the British 1891 and 1901 censuses. There is an outside chance that you *might* find him if his army unit got recorded, given that they were official British ex-pats, but I would not like to put any money on your doing so! Ken. In rural West Sussex, U.K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carr" <carrspace@mac.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:47 PM Subject: [B'ham] Indian Army Service > This is an army rather than a Birmingham question but any guidance > appreciated. > > Would the English wife of an British Indian Army NCO who died in India in > about 1903 have a British Death Certificate? > > Also if they were both in India in 1891 and 1901 would he or they appear > on a British census return (I ask that because I can't find them!). > > thanks > > Dave Carr > Paignton > Devon > > > > >

Hi, Is anyone researching the CAMPBELL name, the ones in my tree were originally brushmakers and settled in the Birmingham area in the 1850s, I know what happened to some of the family, but anyone have connections to John Campbell who married Ellen Henshaw around 1861, they had children, Ada, John Helena and Frederick. Regards Roger Lewis

Hi Sandra, Just checking my 'inbox' and came across your email from the above digest. The 1911 census shows gr,grandfather Henry aged 64, b S/shire occ. carpenter - his wife Eliza aged 55 b. S/shire - Henry (son) aged 41 a brass worker b Philadelphia USA - John (son) aged 20, b. S/shire. occ. tool maker - Earnest (son) aged 18 b. S.shire. occ. moulder iron - Mary (daughter) aged 17 b/ W/shire. occ. laundry hand - Elizabeth (daughter) aged 15 b. W/shire occ. student - Anne (daughter) aged14 n/ W/shire occ. student. I have checked the 1912 electoral roll and found that Henry is registered and still living at the same address, i.e. 55 Eva Road, Birmingham. Can't quite remember whether the other members of the family would have been voting at that time, in particular the wife. Perhaps you can fill me in on this. Of all my tree branches this is the only one I have not been able to make contact with a descendant of and as it is my father's line it would be great to do so. Many thanks for your assistance, In grateful anticipation to any leads you are able to give me, Kind regards, Kerry

Thanks, Anne and Ken, for your helpful replies. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "kbibb" <kbibb@bkb.net.au> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] DEAKIN/ONIONS > Jan, > You won't be able to find his mothers maiden name in the IGI but get a > sibling after 1837 and send for the birth cert'. > > Ken B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:36 PM > Subject: [B'ham] DEAKIN/ONIONS > > >> Hello, >> I'm seeking information regarding John Onions DEAKIN, born in 1836 >> and christened at St Martins, Birmingham on 11 Feb 1836. His parents are >> recorded as John DEAKIN and Emma. In particular I'd like to discover the >> maiden name of his mother please? >> >> Many thanks, >> Jan >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jan, You won't be able to find his mothers maiden name in the IGI but get a sibling after 1837 and send for the birth cert'. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: [B'ham] DEAKIN/ONIONS > Hello, > I'm seeking information regarding John Onions DEAKIN, born in 1836 > and christened at St Martins, Birmingham on 11 Feb 1836. His parents are > recorded as John DEAKIN and Emma. In particular I'd like to discover the > maiden name of his mother please? > > Many thanks, > Jan > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave The death would be in the overseas indexes rather than the usual GRO index That is if was registered, many were not www.familyrelatives.com are one site that have them, some of the overseas indexes are free on this site only They would not be recorded in a census other than in the Country they resided (if there was one) largely these no longer exist The first census to record overseas Military personnel is the 1911 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > This is an army rather than a Birmingham question but any guidance > appreciated. > > Would the English wife of an British Indian Army NCO who died in > India in about 1903 have a British Death Certificate? > > Also if they were both in India in 1891 and 1901 would he or they > appear on a British census return (I ask that because I can't find > them!). > > thanks > > Dave Carr > Paignton > Devon

This is an army rather than a Birmingham question but any guidance appreciated. Would the English wife of an British Indian Army NCO who died in India in about 1903 have a British Death Certificate? Also if they were both in India in 1891 and 1901 would he or they appear on a British census return (I ask that because I can't find them!). thanks Dave Carr Paignton Devon

Hello, I'm seeking information regarding John Onions DEAKIN, born in 1836 and christened at St Martins, Birmingham on 11 Feb 1836. His parents are recorded as John DEAKIN and Emma. In particular I'd like to discover the maiden name of his mother please? Many thanks, Jan

1851 England Census about John Dakin Name: John Dakin Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham St Martin County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 85 Household Members: Name Age John Dakin 41 Emma Dakin 36 John Dakin 15 Martha Dakin 13 Elizabeth Dakin 9 Emma Dakin 7 James Dakin 1 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2053; Folio: 298; Page: 22; This seems like the right birth registration for James ( perhaps a second James ??? This should give Emma's maiden name Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Sep 1849 (>99%) DEAKIN James Birmingham 16 369 Anne On 1 Jun 2009, at 08:36, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Hello, > I'm seeking information regarding John Onions DEAKIN, born > in 1836 and christened at St Martins, Birmingham on 11 Feb 1836. His > parents are recorded as John DEAKIN and Emma. In particular I'd like > to discover the maiden name of his mother please? > > Many thanks, > Jan

Apologies for the delay in thanking you for the info. on possible street number changes in Birmingham since the mid-19th century. It has saved sending someone who was going to be in the area unnecessarily to take photos of the wrong addresses! Now another question. The directories at www.historicaldirectories.org while very useful and interesting list just businesses and the upper-classes. I'm assuming there's nothing (other than the censuses) which would list regular folks by the street? If it were a residential area, surely there would be no listing for that street in these directories. Ros

There seem to be other children whose birth registration you could trace 1. MARTHA DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 25 JAN 1838 2. MARTHA DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1838 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England 3. ELIZABETH CILBORNE DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 21 FEB 1842 4. ELIZABETH CILBORNE DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAR 1842 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England 5. JOHN ONIONS DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 21 JAN 1836 6. JOHN ONIONS DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 11 FEB 1836 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England 7. JAMES LEE DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 19 JUL 1840 8. JAMES LEE DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 AUG 1840 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England Anne On 1 Jun 2009, at 08:36, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Hello, > I'm seeking information regarding John Onions DEAKIN, born > in 1836 and christened at St Martins, Birmingham on 11 Feb 1836. His > parents are recorded as John DEAKIN and Emma. In particular I'd like > to discover the maiden name of his mother please? > > Many thanks, > Jan

They must have been late registering Martha International Genealogical Index - British Isles 2. MARTHA DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 25 JAN 1838 3. MARTHA DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1838 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England Anne On 1 Jun 2009, at 08:36, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Hello, > I'm seeking information regarding John Onions DEAKIN, born > in 1836 and christened at St Martins, Birmingham on 11 Feb 1836. His > parents are recorded as John DEAKIN and Emma. In particular I'd like > to discover the maiden name of his mother please? > > Many thanks, > Jan > _____________________________________________

JAn In 1841 he is living with a younger sister Martha 1841 England Census about John Onions Deakin Name: John Onions Deakin Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Gender: Male Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil parish: St Martin Hundred: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Moseley St Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Deakin 30 Occupation Painter ( not born Warwickshire) Emma Deakin 20 John Onions Deakin 5 Martha Deakin 3 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1142; Book: 5; Civil Parish: St Martin; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 28; Page: 17; Line: 14 The nearest registration for her is Births Dec 1839 (>99%) Deakin Martha Birmingham 16 251 This should give mother's maiden name HTH Anne On 1 Jun 2009, at 08:36, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Hello, > I'm seeking information regarding John Onions DEAKIN, born > in 1836 and christened at St Martins, Birmingham on 11 Feb 1836. His > parents are recorded as John DEAKIN and Emma. In particular I'd like > to discover the maiden name of his mother please? > > Many thanks, > Jan > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Ken, Thankyou for that I will do that and see what comes back. Like I said I have the death certificate and parents are whom I said. Will see if the birth certificate is the same. Marriage is a mystery. Kind Regards Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "kbibb" <kbibb@bkb.net.au> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Gee/Phillips > Karen, > I could not find any marriage but I did find the birth for Cecilia > Elizabeth Phillips it is 3Qu 1869 Aston 6d 288 > so you could send for that then it would tell you for sure who her parents > for. > Send direct to the B'Ham registry and they will take a credit card > payment, the address is > register_office@birmingham.gov.uk > > (don't forget the underscore between register & office) > > Ken B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen & Peter" <petert2@slingshot.co.nz> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:44 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Gee/Phillips > > >> Hi Listers, >> >> Have just received the death printout of Cecilia Elizabeth Phillips. It >> states Father was a George Phillips and Mother a Susannah Phillips >> (formerley Gee) and his occupation was Bootmaker. It states she was born >> in Birmingham England. She died in 1890 in New Zealand at the age of >> 21yrs she was born in September 1869. I also believe she had a brother >> George and do not know when he was born as yet. He was mentioned in a >> death notice being brother of a daughter of his mother's second marriage. >> >> I was wondering if there is some exceptional person out there that could >> find the marriage of George Phillips and Susannah Gee. I have searched >> and searched and seem to be drawing blanks. Maybe a fresh pair of eyes >> might locate something I have missed. >> >> Susannah was the daughter of William Gee occupation Bootmaker and >> Elizabeth Pugh. She was born in Birmingham. George Phillips we know >> nothing about other than his occupation being a Bootmaker. >> >> Kindest Regards >> >> Karen >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am looking for Peter Poncia b. ca. 1790 Como Italy. I have no further details about his life in Italy but he was shown as a widower at his second marriage pre 1841 Was shown as hardware dealer in Birmingham in 1841. I saw a vague reference connecting him with the Tala brand kitchenware. I am interested in his business affairs as he was a wealthy man when he died in 1856. I am an Australian descendant of his son Peter b.1813 at Worcester. Any help please.

Hi Listers, Have just received the death printout of Cecilia Elizabeth Phillips. It states Father was a George Phillips and Mother a Susannah Phillips (formerley Gee) and his occupation was Bootmaker. It states she was born in Birmingham England. She died in 1890 in New Zealand at the age of 21yrs she was born in September 1869. I also believe she had a brother George and do not know when he was born as yet. He was mentioned in a death notice being brother of a daughter of his mother's second marriage. I was wondering if there is some exceptional person out there that could find the marriage of George Phillips and Susannah Gee. I have searched and searched and seem to be drawing blanks. Maybe a fresh pair of eyes might locate something I have missed. Susannah was the daughter of William Gee occupation Bootmaker and Elizabeth Pugh. She was born in Birmingham. George Phillips we know nothing about other than his occupation being a Bootmaker. Kindest Regards Karen

Karen, I could not find any marriage but I did find the birth for Cecilia Elizabeth Phillips it is 3Qu 1869 Aston 6d 288 so you could send for that then it would tell you for sure who her parents for. Send direct to the B'Ham registry and they will take a credit card payment, the address is register_office@birmingham.gov.uk (don't forget the underscore between register & office) Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen & Peter" <petert2@slingshot.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: [B'ham] Gee/Phillips > Hi Listers, > > Have just received the death printout of Cecilia Elizabeth Phillips. It > states Father was a George Phillips and Mother a Susannah Phillips > (formerley Gee) and his occupation was Bootmaker. It states she was born > in Birmingham England. She died in 1890 in New Zealand at the age of 21yrs > she was born in September 1869. I also believe she had a brother George > and do not know when he was born as yet. He was mentioned in a death > notice being brother of a daughter of his mother's second marriage. > > I was wondering if there is some exceptional person out there that could > find the marriage of George Phillips and Susannah Gee. I have searched > and searched and seem to be drawing blanks. Maybe a fresh pair of eyes > might locate something I have missed. > > Susannah was the daughter of William Gee occupation Bootmaker and > Elizabeth Pugh. She was born in Birmingham. George Phillips we know > nothing about other than his occupation being a Bootmaker. > > Kindest Regards > > Karen > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again ???? Further to my last post, if you have not already done so I would have a look through the hits on the 19th Century Newspaper database, there are several hundred hits, many for adverts but also many more personal As an Australian resident you have access via your National Library service so can access from home Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am looking for Peter Poncia b. ca. 1790 Como Italy. I have no further > details about his life in Italy but he was shown as a widower at his > second > marriage pre 1841 Was shown as hardware dealer in Birmingham in 1841. I > saw > a vague reference connecting him with the Tala brand kitchenware. I am > interested in his business affairs as he was a wealthy man when he died in > 1856. I am an Australian descendant of his son Peter b.1813 at Worcester. > Any help please.