Hi Dave you can just see Kelvin Grove at this site http://www.old-maps.co.uk/indexmappage2.aspx enter these co-ordinates 403200 287600 and zoom in I haven't bought one from this site so I can't say if the printed version is any clearer. I have bought old maps from http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/acatalog/ and they are very good and cheap, you may want the map St 72.03 Smethwick 1901 but I would suggest an email to them first to confirm it is the correct area. best wishes Dave Carr Paignton Devon On 13 Jun 2009, at 04:42, dave.jacks wrote: Hi can anyone find these two streets in the cape hill area shown on the 1891census. Laurel Grove Terrace Kelvin Grove Thanks Dave Jacks NZGS New Zealand

Kia Ora Stephen There is a marriage between a CHARLOTTE GUMBLEY & an EDWARD MORRIS Dec Q 1854 Birmingham 6d/221. This is confirmed by the IGI as 28 November 1854 at St Phillips B'ham. This is an extracted record so fairly safe as compared to Member's Submissions. Edward & Edwin are of ten interchangeable. Do you have this cert? Check ages and occupations and witnesses! This couple appear to have baptised the following children William Morris birth 24 Sept 1858 bap 2 May 1859. William's birth may have been registered Dec Q 1858 B'ham John Morris bap 10 Sept 1863 St Thomas B'ham Charlotte Morris bap 16 Jan 1865 aged 1 year. Have you found this family in 1861? 1871? I don't have access to the census but someone else may be able to help. I can find no record of an 1860 marriage on Free BMD for William GUMBLEY and Charlotte MORRIS but there is an extracted entry on the IGI 3 July 1860 at St Peter Dale End . Presumably you have the certificate for this marriage? Again check ages and occupations and particularly witnesses. Giving the ages of the couple and the occupations always helps others to double check aganst censuses This couple appear to have baptised the following children as GUMLEY Eliza 4 Nov 1860 Bordesley Henry 4 Nov 1860 Bordesley. As both were baptised on the same day "shortly" after the parents marriage you would need to seek birth certs for any certainty. Have you found this family in 1861? 1871? However I think you need to follow the family BACKWARDS from 1911 to 1901 to 1891 and 1881 as you appear to be jumping a generation or so I suspect or getting siblings muddled with wives! It is vital that you follow every individual member of the family to establish naming patterns, occupations, localities. So starting with yourself track your 2 parents & siblings, then your 4 grandparents & their siblings, then your 8 great grandparents and their siblings etc. It is quite common for sisters to marry brothers of the same surname or a sister & brother to marry a brother & sister of the same surname and if they happen to have similar forenames (like Charlotte) you can end up with the headache you have had for a while! Good luck Marlene New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" <familytree@tinfoil.cotse.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Cc: <matt@gumbley.me.uk> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: [B'ham] Brickwall: William Gumbley, son of Charlotte, born c1840? > Hello, > > I have been banging my head against a brick wall for a year; can > anyone help me? > > William Gumbley married Charlotte Morris in 1860. According to the > marriage records, William's father was Edwin Gumbley, a shoemaker, and > his mother was Charlotte Gumbley. > > This gets confusing because there are now two Charlotte Gumbleys: > William's mother and William's wife. > > I have not been able to find any trace of Edwin Gumbley in the > censuses or BMD records. I wonder if he ever existed? > > It would appear that Charlotte Gumbley (William's mother) married > Charles Styles in 1852. In the 1861 census, William and Charlotte > (William's wife) are listed as living with William's half-brother > Richard Styles. So far, so good. > > I assumed that Charlotte Gumbley married Edwin Gumbley and had a son, > William, born circa 1840; that Edwin died and that Charlotte later > remarried Charles Styles. > > The problem is that the marriage records state that Charlotte > (William's mother) was a spinster at the time of her marriage to > Charles Styles. > > So either way one of the marriage records must be wrong: > > Is Charlotte's (the mother's) marriage to Charles Styles incorrect > that she was a spinster: did she lie to avoid bigamy or was this an > innocent mistake by whoever recorded it? > > Or is William's marriage to Charlotte (his wife) wrong to record Edwin > Gumbley as his father? Was William the illegitimate son of Charlotte? > Was the name Edwin Gumbley invented by William at the time of his > marriage? Or was it invented by Charlotte; was William bought up > believing his lost father was Edwin? > > William should have been born c1840. There is no birth certificate for > him that I can find. Freebmd lists two William Gumbleys born 1840 but > Birmingham register office say this is a mistake and there is only > one. The birth that was registered was to different parents and that > William and his family can be found in the censuses, so I know they are > different people. > > Is there any way I can find William's birth? > > Is there any way I can find William's father? > > Perhaps the earlier censuses would help but I can't even find > Charlotte Gumbley (the mother) in these. > > Help! > > Thanks, > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again The other entries I found for a Robert Alex* BROWNING as follows 1895 Kelly's Directory, South Wales BROWNING Robert Alexander, East Ludworth vil, Lewis road, Neath. 1895 Kelly's Directory, South Wales BROWNING Robert Alexander, manager & engineer to the Corporation gas works, East Ludworth vil, Lewis rd. 1910 Kelly's Directory, South Wales BROWNING Robert Alexander, East Ludworth villa, Lewis road. 1910 Kelly's Directory, South Wales Gas Works Manager & Engineer, Robert Alex. BROWNING A.M.I.C.E. East Ludworth villa, Lewis road. Presumably your Robert Alexander S BROWNINGs father ? On the children in Aston The mothers maiden name was added to the GRO index in 1911 which makes finding the following a little easier Name: Margaret I Browning Mother's Maiden Surname: Stead Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1918 Registration district: Aston Registration county: Warwickshire Volume Number: 6d Page Number: 725 Name: Eileen M Browning Year of Registration: 1913 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's Maiden Name: Stead District: Aston (1837-1924) County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 930 Possible children to parents BROWNING and STEAD The way forward without any other information would be to check each quarter from say 16 years after the birth year onwards noting all those marrying with the names you seek, note all the details of husband, place etc and see how many you end up with Freebmd are virtually complete to 1915 and patchy thereafter (coverage stats are avilable on the freebmd site) http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ They do have the images available for marriages to 1963 though, they are slow to use but free Personally I would suggest subscribing to a site that has the GRO index images which would be a lot quicker, you can get pay per view or a subscription, the cheapest I know of is only £30 for the year (there are other databases under the same subscription) Or try your library to see if they have Ancestry, many do As you know I have mailed three researchers on Ancestry who have similar interests to yours so I would be inclined to wait and see if any reply, they may well have more information than you have so save you the time of doing it yourself (or at least give you information you can prove yourself easier than without) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard > > Good afternoon and sorry for the delay in getting back to you. > This country is still in total chaos with daily power cuts (which slow > computer contact a lot) > > Many thanks again this is the family my uncle was born 1910 I thought it > was > 1909? > Is there any other route to find out what may have happened to his kids? >

Neil and Jan are these of any help to you. Regards Joy 1851 census Name Age William Haskew 29 Elizabeth Haskew 27 Edward Haskew 4 William Haskew 2 Joseph Bailey 19 Where born: Worcestershire, England Civil parish: Worcester St Martin County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England 1861 census Elizabeth Haskew 35 Edward Haskew 13 William Haskew 11 Matilda Hunt 16 Emma Bentley 25 Charles Bentley 2 Emma Bentley 2 Mo Where born: Worcester, Worcestershire, England Civil parish: Kidderminster Ecclesiastical parish: Kidderminster Town: Kidderminster County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England 1881 William Haskew Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Head Spouse's name: Eliza A. Gender: Male born: Worcestershire, England Civil parish: Ecclesfield County/Island: Yorkshire Street address Low Wincobank Married Age William Haskew 31 Eliza A. Haskew 32

Nivard Good afternoon and sorry for the delay in getting back to you. This country is still in total chaos with daily power cuts (which slow computer contact a lot) Many thanks again this is the family my uncle was born 1910 I thought it was 1909? Is there any other route to find out what may have happened to his kids? From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> > > Births Mar 1882 (THIS IS MY GRANDFATHER) > Browning Robert Alexander S Neath 11a 579 > (although this may be a red herring as I find a Robert Alex BROWNING in > Neath in 1910) THIS MAY BE MY UNCLE HIS SON??? > > Marriages Dec 1908 MY GRANDPARENTS > BROWNING Robert Alexander S W. Bromwich 6b 1312 > STEAD Harriet Esther W. Bromwich 6b 1312 > >>From the 1911 census index > > BROWNING ROBERT M 1882 29 Aston Warwickshire GRANDFATHER > BROWNING HARRIET F 1881 30 Aston Warwickshire GRANDMOTHER > BROWNING ROBERT M 1910 1 Aston Warwickshire THIS MUST BE MY UNCLE? > BROWNING NORAH F 1910 8 MONTHS Aston Warwickshire MY AUNT > > The page for the above (pay per view only) would give you their place of > birth and age > > Births Sep 1910 > BROWNING Norah B Aston 6d 285 > > 1915 Kellys Directory of Birmingham > (under private residents) > Woodstock road, moseley, > Church road to Stoney Lane > Map G9 > 71 BROWNING Robert Alex. S > (near Anderton park road) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

G'day, I'm seeking help in tracking the family of William and Elizabeth HASKEW who married in 1846. Their children included William, Arthur, Edward, Thomas and Walter. Some or all of the sons were born in Birmingham. Many thanks. Neil and Jan Hearn

hi, can you find a Charlotte of the correct age & place in earlier censuses? Where was mother Charlotte born? She may have changed her name. I think it's quite likely William made up a father's name. My great grandfather was illegitemate but named a father on his marriage cert. Jane     --- On Fri, 12/6/09, Stephen <familytree@tinfoil.cotse.net> wrote: From: Stephen <familytree@tinfoil.cotse.net> Subject: [B'ham] Brickwall: William Gumbley, son of Charlotte, born c1840? To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Cc: matt@gumbley.me.uk Date: Friday, 12 June, 2009, 11:15 AM Hello, I have been banging my head against a brick wall for a year; can anyone help me? William Gumbley married Charlotte Morris in 1860. According to the marriage records, William's father was Edwin Gumbley, a shoemaker, and his mother was Charlotte Gumbley. This gets confusing because there are now two Charlotte Gumbleys: William's mother and William's wife. I have not been able to find any trace of Edwin Gumbley in the censuses or BMD records. I wonder if he ever existed? It would appear that Charlotte Gumbley (William's mother) married Charles Styles in 1852. In the 1861 census, William and Charlotte (William's wife) are listed as living with William's half-brother Richard Styles. So far, so good. I assumed that Charlotte Gumbley married Edwin Gumbley and had a son, William, born circa 1840; that Edwin died and that Charlotte later remarried Charles Styles. The problem is that the marriage records state that Charlotte (William's mother) was a spinster at the time of her marriage to Charles Styles. So either way one of the marriage records must be wrong: Is Charlotte's (the mother's) marriage to Charles Styles incorrect that she was a spinster: did she lie to avoid bigamy or was this an innocent mistake by whoever recorded it? Or is William's marriage to Charlotte (his wife) wrong to record Edwin Gumbley as his father? Was William the illegitimate son of Charlotte? Was the name Edwin Gumbley invented by William at the time of his marriage? Or was it invented by Charlotte; was William bought up believing his lost father was Edwin? William should have been born c1840. There is no birth certificate for him that I can find. Freebmd lists two William Gumbleys born 1840 but Birmingham register office say this is a mistake and there is only one. The birth that was registered was to different parents and that William and his family can be found in the censuses, so I know they are different people. Is there any way I can find William's birth? Is there any way I can find William's father? Perhaps the earlier censuses would help but I can't even find Charlotte Gumbley (the mother) in these. Help! Thanks, Stephen. _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No idea what happened to the layout on my first reply - it was almost unreadable when it came through, so let's try again! *************** Is this them on the 1851 census? Not in Birmingham, but Worcester. It's the only William and Elizabeth Haskew. St Martin's district of Worcester - 9 Georges Yard William Haskew, Head, M, 29, Joinery carpenter, born Worcester Elizabeth Haskew, wife, M 27, Carpenters Wife, born Gibraltar Edward Haskew, son, 4, scholar, born Worcester William Haskew, son, 2, at home, born Worcester Joseph Bailey, visitor,19, Writing clerk, born France By 1861, William snr, seems to be on her own (but it doesn't say widow). At No 1 Hill Street, Kidderminster Elizabeth, Head, Mar, 35, Laundress, Born Gibraltar Edward, son, 13, can't decipher occupation Creeler (textile winding etc in case you didn't know - I didn't, had to look it up!) William, son, 11, scholar, born Worcester + visitor and lodgers It appears that William snr was lodging in West Bromwich as a journeyman Carpenter ************* Les -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Lambourne Sent: 12 June 2009 11:25 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] HASKEW Is this them on the 1851 census? Not in Birmingham, but Worcester. It's the only William and Elizabeth Haskew. St Martin's district of Worcester - 9 Georges Yard William Haskew, Head, M, 29, Joinery carpenter, born Worcester Elizabeth Haskew, wife, M 27, Carpenters Wife, born Gibraltar Edward Haskew, son, 4, scholar, born Worcester William Haskew, son, 2, at home, born Worcester Joseph Bailey, visitor,19, Writing clerk, born France By 1861, William snr, seems to be on her own (but it doesn't say widow). At No 1 Hill Street, Kidderminster Elizabeth, Head, Mar, 35, Laundress, Born Gibraltar Edward, son, 13, can't decipher occupation Creeler (textile winding etc in case you didn't know - I didn't, had to look it up!) William, son, 11, scholar, born Worcester + visitor and lodgers It appears that William snr was lodging in West Bromwich as a journeyman carpenter Regards Lesley -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn Sent: 12 June 2009 05:41 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] HASKEW G'day, I'm seeking help in tracking the family of William and Elizabeth HASKEW who married in 1846. Their children included William, Arthur, Edward, Thomas and Walter. Some or all of the sons were born in Birmingham. Many thanks. Neil and Jan Hearn _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1871 in George Street Wednesbury, West Bromwich William,47, Carpenter, born Worcester Elizabeth, 46, born Gibraltar Edward, 25, Decorator, born Worcester Thomas, 14, Engine fitter, born Kidderminster Walter, 4, scolar, born West Bromwich, Staffs 1881 at 14 George Street, West Bromwich William,58, Carpenter, born Worcester Elizabeth, 56, Housewife, born British Subject Gibraltar Thomas, 14, Engine fitter, born Kidderminster Walter, 14, glass polisher, born West Bromwich, Staffs Nothing on 1891 census for William - Elizabeth died Q4 1890, aged 65 (reg district W Bromwich), GRO ref 6b 508. There is also the death of a Matthew Haskew aged 65 in Q2 1889, but that maybe a read herring - but can't find another death that is the right time/area. You mentioned Arthur Haskew - there is a birth req Q2 1854, Worcester. That fits in, but doesn't appear on next census, so could have died by then. Can't find that death, but birth and death registration was a bit haphazard until 1875. There are two other Haskew deaths in Worcester in that decade - Thomas Q3 1856 and Ann Q4 1857 Regards Lesley -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn Sent: 12 June 2009 05:41 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] HASKEW G'day, I'm seeking help in tracking the family of William and Elizabeth HASKEW who married in 1846. Their children included William, Arthur, Edward, Thomas and Walter. Some or all of the sons were born in Birmingham. Many thanks. Neil and Jan Hearn _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this them on the 1851 census? Not in Birmingham, but Worcester. It's the only William and Elizabeth Haskew. St Martin's district of Worcester - 9 Georges Yard William Haskew, Head, M, 29, Joinery carpenter, born Worcester Elizabeth Haskew, wife, M 27, Carpenters Wife, born Gibraltar Edward Haskew, son, 4, scholar, born Worcester William Haskew, son, 2, at home, born Worcester Joseph Bailey, visitor,19, Writing clerk, born France By 1861, William snr, seems to be on her own (but it doesn't say widow). At No 1 Hill Street, Kidderminster Elizabeth, Head, Mar, 35, Laundress, Born Gibraltar Edward, son, 13, can't decipher occupation Creeler (textile winding etc in case you didn't know - I didn't, had to look it up!) William, son, 11, scholar, born Worcester + visitor and lodgers It appears that William snr was lodging in West Bromwich as a journeyman carpenter Regards Lesley -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn Sent: 12 June 2009 05:41 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] HASKEW G'day, I'm seeking help in tracking the family of William and Elizabeth HASKEW who married in 1846. Their children included William, Arthur, Edward, Thomas and Walter. Some or all of the sons were born in Birmingham. Many thanks. Neil and Jan Hearn _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I have been banging my head against a brick wall for a year; can anyone help me? William Gumbley married Charlotte Morris in 1860. According to the marriage records, William's father was Edwin Gumbley, a shoemaker, and his mother was Charlotte Gumbley. This gets confusing because there are now two Charlotte Gumbleys: William's mother and William's wife. I have not been able to find any trace of Edwin Gumbley in the censuses or BMD records. I wonder if he ever existed? It would appear that Charlotte Gumbley (William's mother) married Charles Styles in 1852. In the 1861 census, William and Charlotte (William's wife) are listed as living with William's half-brother Richard Styles. So far, so good. I assumed that Charlotte Gumbley married Edwin Gumbley and had a son, William, born circa 1840; that Edwin died and that Charlotte later remarried Charles Styles. The problem is that the marriage records state that Charlotte (William's mother) was a spinster at the time of her marriage to Charles Styles. So either way one of the marriage records must be wrong: Is Charlotte's (the mother's) marriage to Charles Styles incorrect that she was a spinster: did she lie to avoid bigamy or was this an innocent mistake by whoever recorded it? Or is William's marriage to Charlotte (his wife) wrong to record Edwin Gumbley as his father? Was William the illegitimate son of Charlotte? Was the name Edwin Gumbley invented by William at the time of his marriage? Or was it invented by Charlotte; was William bought up believing his lost father was Edwin? William should have been born c1840. There is no birth certificate for him that I can find. Freebmd lists two William Gumbleys born 1840 but Birmingham register office say this is a mistake and there is only one. The birth that was registered was to different parents and that William and his family can be found in the censuses, so I know they are different people. Is there any way I can find William's birth? Is there any way I can find William's father? Perhaps the earlier censuses would help but I can't even find Charlotte Gumbley (the mother) in these. Help! Thanks, Stephen.

Hello the list, I would like to hear from any person out there who is researching the name GOODMAN, in and around Birmingham. Many thanks John Richardson

Hi again Charlie A few snippets for you Possible birth and marriage Births Mar 1882 Browning Robert Alexander S Neath 11a 579 (although this may be a red herring as I find a Robert Alex BROWNING in Neath in 1910) Marriages Dec 1908 BROWNING Robert Alexander S W. Bromwich 6b 1312 STEAD Harriet Esther W. Bromwich 6b 1312 >From the 1911 census index BROWNING ROBERT M 1882 29 Aston Warwickshire BROWNING HARRIET F 1881 30 Aston Warwickshire BROWNING ROBERT M 1910 1 Aston Warwickshire BROWNING NORAH F 1910 8 MONTHS Aston Warwickshire The page for the above (pay per view only) would give you their place of birth and age Births Sep 1910 BROWNING Norah B Aston 6d 285 1915 Kellys Directory of Birmingham (under private residents) Woodstock road, moseley, Church road to Stoney Lane Map G9 71 BROWNING Robert Alex. S (near Anderton park road) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good afternoon. > > I am looking for any descendants or family of Robert Browning my uncle > born > I think in Birminham in 1909? > I think he may have been a chemistor pharmiscist. > He was the son of Robert Alexander Snell Browning a gas engineer. > The family drifted apart and I am told I have some cousins somewhere who > may > still be in Birmingham?? > > Many thanks > > Kind Regards > > Charlie Hand > Zimbabwe

Good afternoon. I am looking for any descendants or family of Robert Browning my uncle born I think in Birminham in 1909? I think he may have been a chemistor pharmiscist. He was the son of Robert Alexander Snell Browning a gas engineer. The family drifted apart and I am told I have some cousins somewhere who may still be in Birmingham?? Many thanks Kind Regards Charlie Hand Zimbabwe

Thanks to everyone with the help on Birmingham. I visited the Archives at the Library, what a great place and helpful people, and after 2 hours found the obituary and the burial record for Jane Ann Guest. The churchyard St Peter and St Paul in Aston, was disappointing as a lot the grave stones have been moved, we could not go inside, and she was not in the memorial transcription book (at the archive) . The church is very impressive and huge. At least we now know where she rests. We were able to see the birthplace of our grandfather on 19 Wheeley's Road, it looks like the original house but as I expected Tower Road has been flattened. Has a great day in Birmingham, great people and lunched at the Old Joint Stock pub in the old Stock Exchange. Margaret Guest

Hi Is anyone researching or have information on the following from 1901 onwards. John William Taylor b Brackley Wars. 1848 d between 1891 and 1901 Elizabeth Taylor (Nee Durant) b Rosliston Derby 1851 Who lived at 5 Kelvin Grove Cape Hill in the 1891 Census 9 Children Elizabeth Widow lived at 86 Hagley road in 1901 census with 7 children. My particular interest is what happened to Minnie born 1884 in Shepton Mallet Somerset. Also is it possible to get the information registered on a pasport in 1910. Thanks in anticipation Dave Jacks NZGS member New Zealand,

Paul Thanks Jim Payne NEW ZEALAND shampayne3@gmail.com Our personal web site is at: http://www.shampayne.org.nz Our Genealogy at: http://ourpedigrees.shampayne.org.nz/ The 1929 Murchison Earthquake at: http://murchisonquake.shampayne.org.nz/ -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Prescott Sent: Wednesday, 10 June 2009 8:09 a.m. To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham (and suburbs) Warwickshireand/orStaffordshire and Worcestershire Jin: Much of what you want is on the "Tracing your Ancestors in Warwickshire" pages on the BMSGH site at http://www.bmsgh.org/parish/warw/tyaiw/tyaiwintro.html. Good luck Paul

Thanks Mike What I had intended to do was to give each place Warwickshire, England but with a short note pointing out that at various times/dates it was part of another county. (My PAYTON/PEATON/PEYTON families were there by the late 1700S and the MARTIM family probably by the first quarter of the 1800s} Jim Payne NEW ZEALAND shampayne3@gmail.com Our personal web site is at: http://www.shampayne.org.nz Our Genealogy at: http://ourpedigrees.shampayne.org.nz/ The 1929 Murchison Earthquake at: http://murchisonquake.shampayne.org.nz/ Hi Jim, Have you got a life time to read up on the subject? The boundaries kept moving and moving. It depends on the date. To make matters worse, locals sometimes called an area one county, whilst the government said it was another! Then there were Church of England parishes and dioceses, which also changed, important sometimes for pre-1858 probate purposes and finding registers. Then there were census registration districts, which also, for the benefit of the census, included areas from other counties. Try http://www.genuki.org.uk/ the UK and Ireland's county portal. Then try the various county RootsWeb mailing lists. I know Worcestershire has some excellent helpers. Most genealogists work on pre-1974 names, so you won't find things like West Midlands, Avon and Greater Manchester. Good luck -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman BromsgroveBMSGH The Family History Site for North Worcestershire http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jin: Much of what you want is on the "Tracing your Ancestors in Warwickshire" pages on the BMSGH site at http://www.bmsgh.org/parish/warw/tyaiw/tyaiwintro.html. Good luck Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" <shampayne3@gmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham (and suburbs) Warwickshire and/orStaffordshire and Worcestershire > Thanks Mike > > What I had intended to do was to give each place Warwickshire, England but > with a short note pointing out that at various times/dates it was part of > another county. > > (My PAYTON/PEATON/PEYTON families were there by the late 1700S and the > MARTIM family probably by the first quarter of the 1800s} > > Jim Payne > NEW ZEALAND > shampayne3@gmail.com > Our personal web site is at: http://www.shampayne.org.nz > Our Genealogy at: http://ourpedigrees.shampayne.org.nz/ > The 1929 Murchison Earthquake at: http://murchisonquake.shampayne.org.nz/ > > Hi Jim, > > Have you got a life time to read up on the subject? The boundaries kept > moving and moving. It depends on the date. To make matters worse, > locals sometimes called an area one county, whilst the government said > it was another! Then there were Church of England parishes and > dioceses, which also changed, important sometimes for pre-1858 probate > purposes and finding registers. Then there were census registration > districts, which also, for the benefit of the census, included areas > from other counties. > > Try http://www.genuki.org.uk/ the UK and Ireland's county portal. Then > try the various county RootsWeb mailing lists. I know Worcestershire > has some excellent helpers. Most genealogists work on pre-1974 names, > so you won't find things like West Midlands, Avon and Greater Manchester. > > Good luck > > -- > Mike Yegwart > > Branch Chairman > BromsgroveBMSGH > > The Family History Site for North Worcestershire > > http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ > > ******************************** > > HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/ > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mike, Her first marriage certificate gives her name as Maud TAYLOR father William TAYLOR a Brass Worker She gives an address in Wrexham but we have been led to believe that the couple eloped. Her second marriage certificate gives her name as Lillian RANSOM and her father as George TAYLOR deceased a Brass Burnisher. Her address second time around was Balsall Heath, Birmingham. Hope this helps to locate her. Chris > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:17:54 +0100 > > Hi Chris > > what was her father's name and her address from the marriage certificate > > Mike in Droitwich > > chris cole wrote: >> Sorry to but in. >> Does anyone have a Lillian Maud or perhaps Maud Lillian TAYLOR? She is my husband's grandmother and we can discover nothing at all about her before her marriage to Herbert Sidney RANSOM. It is claimed that she lived all her life in the Birmingham area. She celebrated her birthday on 25th May each year. We believe she was born around 1895 ish. >> >> Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> Chris _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/