Kia ora Robyn The difficulty is matching up likely ages & occupations! Good to know you are still about! Cheers Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Shaw" <m.rshaw@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] BYRNE/BURNS > Hi Marlene....well you could try Burn......or just Byr*....good luck > from another Ward lot...Robyn. > > At 07:52 PM 6/15/2009, you wrote: >>Kia Ora >>Hi from New Zealand >>I have researched my WARD family backwards and am now attempting to >>"tidy up" my gt grandpa's siblings & their partners "going forwards". >> >>I have JANE WARD born 1868 Alcester who married James BURNS in 1894 >>. He was aged 23 a bachelor and Girth Weaver. His father was given >>as John BURNS also a weaver. >> >>Unfortunately when the children were born (Eva Mary 1894 & James >>Henry 1898) both were given the surname BYRNE. James was the >>informant and used the name BYRNE a Worsted Weaver. >> >>In 1901 Jane & the children were with her parents - no sign of James Snr. >>In 1911 Jane is alone with the children. Both censii say she was married. >> >> >From 1920 -30 James & Jane are listed at 69 Lower Dartmouth Street >> St Bartholmew. >> >>In 1934 when Jane died at her daughter's home in Yardley she was >>said to be the widow of James Byrne an Engineer's labourer. >> >>I would love to identify James Byrne on the 1901 & 1911 censuses and >>am hoping another pair of eyes might help me? >>TIA >>Marlene >> >> >> >>_____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >>Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>message >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.71/2178 - Release Date: >>06/15/09 17:54:00 > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard, thank you for your reply. The Certificate does say 16th quite clearly. I notice you post many answers for listers and they are always informative. I will try the link you have given. Thanks again Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Army Service > Hi Reg > > As far as I can see there has never been a 16th Lincoln Regiment, the > Royal > Lincolnshire regiment was previously the 10th Regiment > > It may be worth rechecking the birth cert to make sure thats what it says, > it may save a wild goose chase, (might the 16 be 10?) > > At least some of the Lincolnshire regiment was in South Africa 1899 -1902 > if > your man was there he would not have been enumerated, although its > possible > his family might be with him its unlikely as a private (not impossible > though) > > There are various very good research guides on the National Archives > (under > British Army) > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp?WT.lp=gs-researchguides&j=1 > > Have you found them in 1911? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >>I have a birth certificate for a Percival Taylor covering his birth May >>20, >>1898. His mother was Kate Threadgold, his father James Taylor, Private >>16th >>Lincoln Regiment. >> I am unable to find the family on the 1901 Census and was wondering if >> there is a way to determine if the family could have been posted overseas >> and then where that might be. >> >> Reg > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Karen, I am prety sure that the boy is my father IF he is living on Powell St, Wolverhampton. If not I would like to see it. If you have been following this list for a while I am going around in circles looking for Percy/Percival Taylor born in Birmingham in 1899 as described in the 1901 Census. As a matter of interest, the B/C I have for the Percival Taylor shows his birthplace as Lambeth Church 2, London as I have eliminated all those in the 3 Counties making Birmingham. Thanks again Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Hunt Family" <hunt-familia@talktalk.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Army Service > Hi Reg > I have found a Percy that fits in 1901 as an adopted son with the Wesson > family. > I can send image off list if required > Regards > Karen Hunt (Warwick UK) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg Wesson" <rwesson@cogeco.ca> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:09 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Army Service > > >>I have a birth certificate for a Percival Taylor covering his birth May >>20, >>1898. His mother was Kate Threadgold, his father James Taylor, Private >>16th >>Lincoln Regiment. >> I am unable to find the family on the 1901 Census and was wondering if >> there is a way to determine if the family could have been posted overseas >> and then where that might be. >> Thanks in advance. >> Reg >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Marlene....well you could try Burn......or just Byr*....good luck from another Ward lot...Robyn. At 07:52 PM 6/15/2009, you wrote: >Kia Ora >Hi from New Zealand >I have researched my WARD family backwards and am now attempting to >"tidy up" my gt grandpa's siblings & their partners "going forwards". > >I have JANE WARD born 1868 Alcester who married James BURNS in 1894 >. He was aged 23 a bachelor and Girth Weaver. His father was given >as John BURNS also a weaver. > >Unfortunately when the children were born (Eva Mary 1894 & James >Henry 1898) both were given the surname BYRNE. James was the >informant and used the name BYRNE a Worsted Weaver. > >In 1901 Jane & the children were with her parents - no sign of James Snr. >In 1911 Jane is alone with the children. Both censii say she was married. > > >From 1920 -30 James & Jane are listed at 69 Lower Dartmouth Street > St Bartholmew. > >In 1934 when Jane died at her daughter's home in Yardley she was >said to be the widow of James Byrne an Engineer's labourer. > >I would love to identify James Byrne on the 1901 & 1911 censuses and >am hoping another pair of eyes might help me? >TIA >Marlene > > > >_____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > >Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.71/2178 - Release Date: >06/15/09 17:54:00

Kia Ora Hi from New Zealand I have researched my WARD family backwards and am now attempting to "tidy up" my gt grandpa's siblings & their partners "going forwards". I have JANE WARD born 1868 Alcester who married James BURNS in 1894 . He was aged 23 a bachelor and Girth Weaver. His father was given as John BURNS also a weaver. Unfortunately when the children were born (Eva Mary 1894 & James Henry 1898) both were given the surname BYRNE. James was the informant and used the name BYRNE a Worsted Weaver. In 1901 Jane & the children were with her parents - no sign of James Snr. In 1911 Jane is alone with the children. Both censii say she was married. >From 1920 -30 James & Jane are listed at 69 Lower Dartmouth Street St Bartholmew. In 1934 when Jane died at her daughter's home in Yardley she was said to be the widow of James Byrne an Engineer's labourer. I would love to identify James Byrne on the 1901 & 1911 censuses and am hoping another pair of eyes might help me? TIA Marlene

Hi Reg I have found a Percy that fits in 1901 as an adopted son with the Wesson family. I can send image off list if required Regards Karen Hunt (Warwick UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Wesson" <rwesson@cogeco.ca> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: [B'ham] Army Service >I have a birth certificate for a Percival Taylor covering his birth May 20, >1898. His mother was Kate Threadgold, his father James Taylor, Private 16th >Lincoln Regiment. > I am unable to find the family on the 1901 Census and was wondering if > there is a way to determine if the family could have been posted overseas > and then where that might be. > Thanks in advance. > Reg > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Reg As far as I can see there has never been a 16th Lincoln Regiment, the Royal Lincolnshire regiment was previously the 10th Regiment It may be worth rechecking the birth cert to make sure thats what it says, it may save a wild goose chase, (might the 16 be 10?) At least some of the Lincolnshire regiment was in South Africa 1899 -1902 if your man was there he would not have been enumerated, although its possible his family might be with him its unlikely as a private (not impossible though) There are various very good research guides on the National Archives (under British Army) http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp?WT.lp=gs-researchguides&j=1 Have you found them in 1911? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have a birth certificate for a Percival Taylor covering his birth May 20, >1898. His mother was Kate Threadgold, his father James Taylor, Private 16th >Lincoln Regiment. > I am unable to find the family on the 1901 Census and was wondering if > there is a way to determine if the family could have been posted overseas > and then where that might be. > > Reg

Good find Mike - I thought I'd tried all poss variations! Cheers Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fisher" <mjflists@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Brickwall: William Gumbley, son of Charlotte,born c1840? > Hi Steven > > It is on FreeBMD as William GRIMBLEY. > > Mike Fisher in Droitwich >>> I can find no record of an 1860 marriage on Free BMD for William GUMBLEY >>> and >>> Charlotte MORRIS but there is an extracted entry on the IGI 3 July 1860 >>> at >>> St Peter Dale End. > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a birth certificate for a Percival Taylor covering his birth May 20, 1898. His mother was Kate Threadgold, his father James Taylor, Private 16th Lincoln Regiment. I am unable to find the family on the 1901 Census and was wondering if there is a way to determine if the family could have been posted overseas and then where that might be. Thanks in advance. Reg

Hi Stephen A few thoughts The 1860 marriage is of a William GUMBLEY and Charlotte MORRIS , who does it give as her father. Who is the Charlotte GUMBLEY who marries Edward MORRIS in St Phillips in 1854 and who does she give as her father ? The 1852 marriage to Charles STYLES in St Martins of Charlotte GUMBLEY gives her age 37 and William GUMBLEY jeweller as father. witnesses Daniel & Elizabeth GUMBLEY(nee Hill they married 1849 in Aston) This family in the 1841 census is indexed on Ancestry as GRIMLEY and as I transcribe it GUMLEY In the 1861 census Edward Morris is 42 and Charlotte is 25 a birth date of c.1836 Mike in Droitwich

Stephen, I am very interested in the Gumbley family as I have quite a lot of Gumbley's my grandmother's mother in law was Martha Gumbley b 1856. So I have been looking at your query of Charlotte, as I see it there must have been three Charlotte's one married Charles Styles no children two married Edward Morris three children but then there must have been another because if she was born in 1815 then she would have been too old to have the three kids. I think you should get the two marriage cert's to find the fathers. Hope you don't mind me butting in . Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" <familytree@tinfoil.cotse.net> To: "Marlene Shipman" <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Brickwall: William Gumbley, son of Charlotte,born c1840? > Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:28:46 PM, you wrote: > >> There is a marriage between a CHARLOTTE GUMBLEY & an EDWARD MORRIS Dec Q >> 1854 Birmingham 6d/221. This is confirmed by the IGI as 28 November 1854 >> at >> St Phillips B'ham. > > But my Charlotte Gumbley married Charles Styles in 1852. It would > appear this is a third Charlotte Gumbley. > >> I can find no record of an 1860 marriage on Free BMD for William GUMBLEY >> and >> Charlotte MORRIS but there is an extracted entry on the IGI 3 July 1860 >> at >> St Peter Dale End. > > You mentioned working back from the present day. That's exactly how I > found > William and Charlotte (his wife) to begin with. Going back one more > generation is where I come undone with Charlotte Gumbley (his mother). > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Steven Do you have the 1860 marriage certificate for St Peter's Dale end. If so what information does it give Mike

Hi Stephen How did you get his mothers name from marriage records ? Mike > > William Gumbley married Charlotte Morris in 1860. According to the > marriage records, William's father was Edwin Gumbley, a shoemaker, and > his mother was Charlotte Gumbley. > > >

Hi Steven It is on FreeBMD as William GRIMBLEY. Mike Fisher in Droitwich >> I can find no record of an 1860 marriage on Free BMD for William GUMBLEY and >> Charlotte MORRIS but there is an extracted entry on the IGI 3 July 1860 at >> St Peter Dale End.

Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:28:46 PM, you wrote: > There is a marriage between a CHARLOTTE GUMBLEY & an EDWARD MORRIS Dec Q > 1854 Birmingham 6d/221. This is confirmed by the IGI as 28 November 1854 at > St Phillips B'ham. But my Charlotte Gumbley married Charles Styles in 1852. It would appear this is a third Charlotte Gumbley. > I can find no record of an 1860 marriage on Free BMD for William GUMBLEY and > Charlotte MORRIS but there is an extracted entry on the IGI 3 July 1860 at > St Peter Dale End. You mentioned working back from the present day. That's exactly how I found William and Charlotte (his wife) to begin with. Going back one more generation is where I come undone with Charlotte Gumbley (his mother).

Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:25:48 PM, you wrote: > hi, can you find a Charlotte of the correct age & place in earlier > censuses? No. I can't find her in 1841 or 1851. > Where was mother Charlotte born? I don't know; I don't have the 1851 census entry to help me (and she passed away before 1861). Since she was born pre-1837 (1814) there is no birth certificate. > She may have changed her name. Would I ever be able to find out from what? I'm guessing not. Why would you change your name anyway? > I think it's quite likely William made up a father's name. That's what I thought but I wanted confirmation. Thanks again.

> Hi Dave Many thanks for your prompt reply it looks like its the right place. Regards Dave

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