In a message dated 19/06/2009 15:22:16 GMT Daylight Time, chris_sqd@hotmail.com writes: George Elkington Married Eliza Dolphin 17 SEP 1849 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England Sorry if I sent you off on a wild goose chase. Hi Don't worry. I should be glad to know who his father was. I did think that it wasn't feasible because he was ill with Epilepsy and it was considered as a mental illness that was hidden from people. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

On the IGI web site. Marriage :-- 17 September 1849, St Martins Church Birmingham Warwickshire. Ann Tubey = John Harris. So Ann did not marry George Elkington. Regards Geoff Hogan Hodge Hill Birmingham England

A long shot but Could George Elkington have married Ann Tuby in 1849? Marriages Sep 1849 Dolphin Eliza Birmingham 16 385 Elkington George Birmingham 16 385 Elkington William Birmingham 16 385 Harris John Birmingham 16 385 Leek Emma Birmingham 16 385 Meigh George Birmingham 16 385 NEVITT Elizabeth Birmingham 16 385 Southam Joseph Birmingham 16 385 Tubey Ann Birmingham 16 385 Chris > From: JJupar@aol.com > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:34:56 -0400 > To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B'ham] Erdington 1850 > > Hello Everyone, > > I am still researching the Elkingtons of the area. > > I am wondering about a death certificate I have. It reads > George Elkington died 9th December 1850. > Male > 22years > son of George Richards Elkington, electro plater > Cause of Death was Epilepsy Effusion Certified > Ann Elkington present at death Erdington Village > 11th December, 1850. > > There are two questions which arise here. > The First one how close is Erdington Village to Woodbrooke House, probably > Selly Oak now a Quaker house, where his parents lived. > The second question is who is Ann Elkington and how could I find this out. > > She is not his mother or sister and I don't think she was an aunt. As he > died in 1850 I looked in the 1i851 census but no luck there because I do > not know her age. > > The child was educated by a reverend Bakewell with only three other boys > for company. He must have lived-in because he is in the 1i841 census. > > I know people given to Epileptic fits were classed as mentally ill an d > kept away from the rest of the family in 1840s would this have played a part > in his life. He doesn't appear to have been with the family and is never > mentioned in later records. > > How close are Erdington and Handsworth to Selly Oak. Does anyone know > how I could find the woman caring for him. > > > JUDY ELKINGTON > [N. Derbyshire, England] > > www.elkingtonfamily.com > ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com > www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

In a message dated 19/06/2009 13:11:06 GMT Daylight Time, astonian@blueyonder.co.uk writes: On the IGI web site. Marriage :-- 17 September 1849, St Martins Church Birmingham Warwick shire. Ann Tubey = John Harris. So Ann did not marry George Elkington. Hi No I couldn't see that. What I have done is just Sent for a marriage cert. for a George Elkington who married 'somebody' a nd see what comes up as I cannot place him in my records. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

In a message dated 19/06/2009 11:02:39 GMT Daylight Time, chris_sqd@hotmail.com writes: A long shot but Could George Elkington have married Ann Tuby in 1849? Hi Chris, I must be sipping but I never thought of this. As he had Epilepsy and was educated privately, unlike his other siblings, I presumed he would not marry. I have sent for the marriage certificate and we will see if it is him. I will let you know. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Thursday, June 18, 2009, 2:22:41 AM, you wrote: > According to a friend who is a direct decendent of Gumbley says that where > her name originated from Market Harborough & Ireland the name is spelt > Gumley. Hello again, To answer your earlier question: Charles and Charlotte Styles (nee Gumbley) had two children, Caroline b.1853 and Richard b.1854. Are you referring to Matt Gumbley? His web site was mentioned on this list in the past. I have dropped him e-mails a couple of times, but never received any replies. His web site mentions the Market Harborough link. The problem is all the Gumbleys (six generations) that I have found are in Birmingham, yet the family boasted Scottish connections and wore the kilts to prove it! I wonder whether hey were Irish kilts rather than Scottish ones? But why were they so adamant they were Scots in that case? Or could the link be maternal (even so, all the wives appear to have been "Brummies")? The mystery continues...

Joy: I have Victorian era HASKEWs in the Birmingham area, and they often appear in records as ASKEW (dropped aitches are a feature of the local accent). Make sure you check for that alternative! Good luck Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Illguth" <brummiejoy@optusnet.com.au> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:16 AM Subject: [B'ham] HASKEW > Couldn't find him at all for 1901. Did however see a couple of Walter > Haskew's born England on the Emigration USA census etc but unfortunately > do > not have access to USA Ancestry sorry. I've listed them here for you but > as > you can see they give very little away as they want you to pay. Cheers Joy > > > Immigration & Emigration > > > Name: Walter Haskew > Birth: date - location > Departure: location > Arrival: date - New York, New York > > New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 > > > Immigration & Emigration > > > Name: Walter Haskew > Birth: year > Origin: location > Departure: location > More: See all information... > > New York Port, Ship Images, 1851-1891 > > > Immigration & Emigration > > > > Name: Walter Haskew > Birth: year > Departure: city, England > Arrival: date - Port of New York, New York, United States > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Everyone, I am still researching the Elkingtons of the area. I am wondering about a death certificate I have. It reads George Elkington died 9th December 1850. Male 22years son of George Richards Elkington, electro plater Cause of Death was Epilepsy Effusion Certified Ann Elkington present at death Erdington Village 11th December, 1850. There are two questions which arise here. The First one how close is Erdington Village to Woodbrooke House, probably Selly Oak now a Quaker house, where his parents lived. The second question is who is Ann Elkington and how could I find this out. She is not his mother or sister and I don't think she was an aunt. As he died in 1850 I looked in the 1i851 census but no luck there because I do not know her age. The child was educated by a reverend Bakewell with only three other boys for company. He must have lived-in because he is in the 1i841 census. I know people given to Epileptic fits were classed as mentally ill an d kept away from the rest of the family in 1840s would this have played a part in his life. He doesn't appear to have been with the family and is never mentioned in later records. How close are Erdington and Handsworth to Selly Oak. Does anyone know how I could find the woman caring for him. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Thanks so much, Joy. I'll take a trip toour local history library tomorrow where they have an Ancestry subscription. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Illguth" <brummiejoy@optusnet.com.au> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: [B'ham] HASKEW > Couldn't find him at all for 1901. Did however see a couple of Walter > Haskew's born England on the Emigration USA census etc but unfortunately do > not have access to USA Ancestry sorry. I've listed them here for you but as > you can see they give very little away as they want you to pay. Cheers Joy > > > Immigration & Emigration > > > Name: Walter Haskew > Birth: date - location > Departure: location > Arrival: date - New York, New York > > New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 > > > Immigration & Emigration > > > Name: Walter Haskew > Birth: year > Origin: location > Departure: location > More: See all information... > > New York Port, Ship Images, 1851-1891 > > > Immigration & Emigration > > > > Name: Walter Haskew > Birth: year > Departure: city, England > Arrival: date - Port of New York, New York, United States > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you Google there are lots of photos of the Law Courts. Velda

Couldn't find him at all for 1901. Did however see a couple of Walter Haskew's born England on the Emigration USA census etc but unfortunately do not have access to USA Ancestry sorry. I've listed them here for you but as you can see they give very little away as they want you to pay. Cheers Joy Immigration & Emigration Name: Walter Haskew Birth: date - location Departure: location Arrival: date - New York, New York New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Immigration & Emigration Name: Walter Haskew Birth: year Origin: location Departure: location More: See all information... New York Port, Ship Images, 1851-1891 Immigration & Emigration Name: Walter Haskew Birth: year Departure: city, England Arrival: date - Port of New York, New York, United States

Seeking records for Walter F HASKEW, born West Bromwich in 1866, after 1881 please? Neil and Jan Hearn

Stephen, According to a friend who is a direct decendent of Gumbley says that where her name originated from Market Harborough & Ireland the name is spelt Gumley. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" <familytree@tinfoil.cotse.net> To: "Mike Fisher" <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Brickwall: William Gumbley, son of Charlotte,born c1840? > Hello Mike, > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 2:46:24 PM, you wrote: > >> This family in the 1841 census is indexed on Ancestry as GRIMLEY and as >> I transcribe it GUMLEY > > Hello again, > > I've been to ancestry to look. Is it the 1841 census of Charlotte > Grimley in Austrey, Hemlingford (Tamworth)? > > Unfortunately being the 1841 one, it doesn't tell us much but it > implies Charlotte was married to Thomas and was not a spinster. This > makes me think it is not the same lady. > > Looking at the image I can see how it might be Gumley but it does look > as though the I is dotted, so I wonder whether in this case it is > Grimley after all? > > Thanks again. > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A few more for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Law_Courts,_Birmingham http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?CONTENT_ITEM_ID=1650&CONTENT_ITEM_TYPE=0&MENU_ID=5396 http://www.gftomlinson.co.uk/project-detail/39/Restoration/Victoria-Law-Courts.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi > > I am interested in obtaining information concerning my great > grandfather, Philip H. NEWMAN, a London artist who did some work on > the law courts during their construction. There are some stained > glass windows there, designed and painted by him. > > Would anyone be able to direct me to any pictures of th building? Are > there any current pictures, which would probably be in color? > > Many thanks. > > Phil Johnson > Edmonton, Alberta

Hi Phil Enter Victoria Law Courts into google and select images there are quite a few there Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi > > I am interested in obtaining information concerning my great > grandfather, Philip H. NEWMAN, a London artist who did some work on > the law courts during their construction. There are some stained > glass windows there, designed and painted by him. > > Would anyone be able to direct me to any pictures of th building? Are > there any current pictures, which would probably be in color? > > Many thanks. > > Phil Johnson > Edmonton, Alberta

Hello Mike, Monday, June 15, 2009, 2:46:24 PM, you wrote: > This family in the 1841 census is indexed on Ancestry as GRIMLEY and as > I transcribe it GUMLEY Hello again, I've been to ancestry to look. Is it the 1841 census of Charlotte Grimley in Austrey, Hemlingford (Tamworth)? Unfortunately being the 1841 one, it doesn't tell us much but it implies Charlotte was married to Thomas and was not a spinster. This makes me think it is not the same lady. Looking at the image I can see how it might be Gumley but it does look as though the I is dotted, so I wonder whether in this case it is Grimley after all? Thanks again.

Hello Mike, Monday, June 15, 2009, 2:46:24 PM, you wrote: > The 1860 marriage is of a William GUMBLEY and Charlotte MORRIS , who > does it give as her father. Her father was Richard Morris, a silversmith. His father was Edwin Gumbley, a shoe maker. I can find no trace of Edwin in censuses or BMD. > Who is the Charlotte GUMBLEY who marries Edward MORRIS in St Phillips in > 1854 and who does she give as her father ? I don't know. I only learned of her through replies to this question. Familysearch does not give her parents and I haven't looked elsewhere yet. > The 1852 marriage to Charles STYLES in St Martins of Charlotte GUMBLEY > gives her age 37 and William GUMBLEY jeweller as father. Thanks. Where did you find that? I couldn't read the occupations ont he certificate from GRO. > Daniel & Elizabeth GUMBLEY(nee Hill they married 1849 in Aston) > This family in the 1841 census is indexed on Ancestry as GRIMLEY and as > I transcribe it GUMLEY Thanks, I will look it up. Ancestry never recognises Gumbley as Gumbleys, which ash added to the problem. The spellings with and without the B seem to have been used interchangeably by the family: some documents say Gumley, others Gumbley. -- Best regards, Stephen mailto:familytree@tinfoil.cotse.net

Hello Mike, Monday, June 15, 2009, 9:34:00 AM, you wrote: > How did you get his mothers name from marriage records ? Sorry, I didn't. The marriage records give his father. I deduced his mother from the censuses: he was living with Richard Styles stepbrother and I found Charlotte Gumbley had married Charles Styles.

Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:31:00 AM, you wrote: > as I see it there must > have been three Charlotte's That's what I think. > one married Charles Styles Yes > no children I thought they did have children but I haven't got the censuses in front of me to say for sure. > two > married Edward Morris Yes. I can't take credit for finding her; I only discovered her thanks to the replies to this question. > but then there must have been another > because if she was born in 1815 then she would have been too old to have the > three kids. Sorry, I am lost: which three children? There is a third Charlotte, she married William, so there were three Charlotte Gumbleys: William's mother; William's wife Charlotte Gumbley nee Morris, and the third Charlotte Morris nee Gumbley!!!

Hi I am interested in obtaining information concerning my great grandfather, Philip H. NEWMAN, a London artist who did some work on the law courts during their construction. There are some stained glass windows there, designed and painted by him. Would anyone be able to direct me to any pictures of th building? Are there any current pictures, which would probably be in color? Many thanks. Phil Johnson Edmonton, Alberta