Hi Tam Did you get the death certificates from Birmingham Register Office ? If not you should have , they have a resident genealogist ,John Yates, to help you get the correct certificate. See their website *http://tinyurl.com/kjhm87 , if that link does not work then google Birmingham Register Office genealogy. Mike Fisher in Droitwich *

I would love to see the photos too please! Sylvia Kelcher --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Peter Turner <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Peter Turner <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [B'ham] Photos: Back to Back interiors, Keeps a Mangle, etc To: "eng-warks-B" <Eng-Warks-Birmingham@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 8 August, 2009, 9:59 AM Photographs taken at the Black Country Museum - happy to share with anyone who wants to illustrate their histories. Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk       _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, I would love to see the photos, Thanks, How will we be able to access them? I am very interested in Cadbury family. Ros from Adelaide, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Turner Sent: Saturday, 8 August 2009 6:30 PM To: eng-warks-B Subject: [B ham] Photos: Back to Back interiors, Keeps a Mangle, etc Photographs taken at the Black Country Museum - happy to share with anyone who wants to illustrate their histories. Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning Peter, I`d be delighted to see those photos. Thanking you, Eric. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Turner" <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> To: "eng-warks-B" <Eng-Warks-Birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 6:59 PM Subject: [B'ham] Photos: Back to Back interiors, Keeps a Mangle, etc > Photographs taken at the Black Country Museum - happy to share with anyone > who wants to illustrate their histories. > > Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) > peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.13000 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.13000 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

For those of us able to travel to Birmingham Central Library, they will be one of a handful of regional centres providing free access to the census. It is anticipated to go live at the end of September. The full list of centtres is at: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/stories/337.htm?WT.hp=nf-37818 Apologies if this is "off topic". Mike Birmingham, England

In a message dated 10/08/2009 01:56:48 GMT Daylight Time, rgooden@werple.net.au writes: Peter, I would love to see the photos, Thanks, How will we be able to access them? I am very interested in Cadbury family. Hi I am also interested in the Cadbury family because I know they lived in close proximity with the ELKINGTONS in Birmingham. I think they bought a house from the Elkingtons as my lot couldn't stand the smell from the Chocolate Factory down the road. If it rings a bell or you have any connection with the ELKINGTONs please get in touch. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

I would like to have copies of your photographs. Thank you for your kind offer. Carol Cox, Denver, Colorado, USA _carolacox@aol.com_ (mailto:carolacox@aol.com) In a message dated 8/9/2009 1:04:25 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, eng-warks-birmingham-request@rootsweb.com writes: Photographs taken at the Black Country Museum - happy to share with anyone who wants to illustrate their histories. Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk

Photographs taken at the Black Country Museum - happy to share with anyone who wants to illustrate their histories. Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk

Thank you for your kind offer. I would very much like to see these images. Kind regards, Catherine South Wales

Hi Mike It was like that yesterday as well, but OK on Monday. Best guess is a server problem? Lesley -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fisher Sent: 05 August 2009 18:50 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Birmingham History Forum Hi All Anyone know what has happened to the Birmingham History Forum ? I get an error 404 when I try to access it. Mike Fisher http://billesley.org _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Anyone know what has happened to the Birmingham History Forum ? I get an error 404 when I try to access it. Mike Fisher http://billesley.org

chris cole wrote: > Can anyone advise me on discovering the history of the site on which > Joseph Lucas built his factory in Great King Street? I know he took it > over in 1872 but I am interested on the people who owned it earlier than > that. That's not quite the whole story. 1872 was the year in which Joseph Lucas moved house from Carver Street to 209 Great King St. No. 209 was near the corner of GKS and New John St. - it wasn't the site of the big GKS factories. In 1875 the first Lucas factory - the Tom Bowling Lamp Works - was established in Little King St. The (recently demolished) big GKS site was started around 1889. My source of information here is a very detailed history of the first 100 years of Lucas, written by Harold Nockolds and published in two volumes by David and Charles in the 1970s [1,2]. This is essential reading for anyone with a serious interest in the company's history. (My interest stems from the fact that my father worked at the Shaftmoor Lane factory (BW3) from 1949 until he retired around 1979.) Here are two short excerpts from the first volume (OCR'd), that you might find interesting: Excerpt 1 - about the 1872 move to 209 GKS: "[...] Joseph Lucas was taking the momentous road to becoming a manufacturer. "He began to look round for another house where he could carry on his growing business - and expand it. He eventually settled on Number 209, Great King Street, a three-storey terrace house with some buildings behind previously occupied by Thomas Youster, corn chandler. According to the Rate Book, Number 209 consisted of a retail shop, house, wash-house and 'premises'. The estimated rental value was £24 and the rateable value £20, so, with rates at 2s in the pound, Joseph Lucas's rates were £2 a year. The house was near the corner of Great King Street and New John Street, and disappeared in the 1960s when the area was turned into an open space. [NB the book has a photo of no. 209 in 1960, where it was appropriately occupied by 'The King of the Road Cafe'.] "The trades carried on by the people in Great King Street in the 1870s were typical of the Hockley district at that time and included gem-setter, pearl-button maker, cooper, cow-keeper, lapidary, black ornament maker, pawnbroker and aquavit maker. In 1872 they were joined by Joseph Lucas, described in the Post Office Directory that year as an 'Oil and Colorman.' [...] Excerpt 2 - about the 1889- expansion and the formation of Joseph Lucas Ltd.: "The grand design hinted at in the previous chapter began to shape one morning towards the end of i889 when Joseph walked down Great King Street, which was then a miserable slum, to meet John Archer, a builder and fellow temperance worker who had already constructed Joseph's first new factory in Little King Street and had his office opposite. With them was Archer's small son, on whom the incident left such a vivid memory that he was able to describe it in these words some 66 years later: "Mr. Lucas and my father met outside a Mr. Gilbert's shop which was full of sawdust - a sort of rag-and-bone shop. We went in and there was a scurry of rats everywhere and the smell was awful, and it meant when we got home a bath and a flea hunt! "Mr. Lucas said, 'Well Archer, this is going to be the site of our new factories and we shall build the interior factories first'. You see, he was already planning to buy the property on Great King Street, Burbury Street and Farm Street. What a vision for those days! So he got Ewen Harper and Brother Architects to plan the whole triangle out. Evidently at this time some large orders must have come to Lucases for the old gentleman said, 'Archer, you have got to get a move on, the first factory is wanted at once, so tell your men to get going and I will pay them 2d an hour more'. This was a complete failure; men got drunk, the police were called in to stop fights, and so we had to let the brickwork out piece-work to a 20-stone foreman bricklayer named Kirby who would wring the neck of any man who was awkward, and things went swimmingly! "And so A Block came into being as the nucleus of the present-day group of Great King Street factories. It was not to be expected that its significance would be appreciated at the time - indeed so little was thought of its future that it was locally called 'Joe's Folly'. "Joseph had his own ideas on how buildings should be designed. Mr Archer again: 'I remember his coming into our office one day and he said "Boy, what is the cheapest thing on earth?" I felt like saying "Dirt" but was too frightened. "You don't know" he said, "Well, I'll tell you, and remember if you ever become a builder get plenty of it in your houses and factories, LIGHT!" '(The firm of John Archer, later changed to W. B. and F. T. Archer and still in existence as joiners, made a new addition to Lucas Cyclealities in the form of a beechwood cycle stand, producing thousands by hand in the period 1894-8.) "Joseph's long-term plans for the whole site were evidently much in the minds of the Birmingham authorities. At the Reference Library I have found a street-by-street rating map of 1870-1 which has pencil marks made on it at a later date showing the block of buildings earmarked 'for Joseph Lucas' on one side of Great King Street and along the frontages of Farm Street and Burbury Street, forming the triangle he planned to develop. Inside the triangle, within a broken line, appear the words 'Cycle accessories factory and shopping over scullery'. This was what was to become A Block, the first factory to be built on the site and still standing in 1975. "On the corner of Burbury Street and Farm Street stood the Burberry Arms, which Joseph either could not, or would not, buy (on account of his temperance views), while in Great King Street, between the court leading to the site of the cycle accessories factory and the corner of Farm Street, was a small public house called the Brewers Arms. "Joseph Lucas's grandiose plans for the development of the Great King Street-Farm Street-Burbury Street triangle were not based on daydreams of future prosperity on his part - still less on Harry's. In spite of strong competition from many bicycle-lamp makers in Birmingham and other parts of the country, as well as abroad, in the early 1890s their business was expanding so rapidly that nothing less than a massive building programme would have enabled them to take full advantage of it. The factory in Little King Street was working flat out and could not be enlarged any more. "But this meant finding more capital than could be provided from the Company's earnings, good as these evidently were, and at some point in the mid-1890s they decided the time was ripe to capitalise on the success of Joseph Lucas & Son since its registration in 1882, and to form a company limited by shares in accordance with the Companies Acts 1862-1893. "No correspondence of this period has survived, so it is not known what advice they received in making this decision, but the details were doubtless worked out in conjunction with their bankers, Lloyds (who had provided funds by way of overdrafts for many years) ; the solicitors, Messrs Johnson, Barclay & Rogers; and the auditors, Messrs Mayo, Powell & Thompson. Nor is it known why or how Joseph Lucas approached Walter Chamberlain of Harborne Hall and Walter W. Wiggin of Forehill House, Kings Norton, to sit on the board of directors of the new company alongside Harry and himself." [End of book excerpts] ---------------------- [1] Lucas, The First Hundred Years, Volume 1 - The King of the Road; Author: Harold Nockolds; Publ. David & Charles, 1976; ISBN: 0715373064 [Vol. 1 covers the period from Lucas's birth in 1834 up to the outbreak of WW2. [2] Lucas, The First Hundred Years, Volume 2 - The Successors; Author: Harold Nockolds; Publ. David & Charles, 1978; ISBN: 0715373161 [Vol. 2 covers the period 1939 to 1975.] -- Andrew

In a message dated 8/4/2009 1:30:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brumlist@ajwade.co.uk writes: chris cole wrote: > Can anyone advise me on discovering the history of the site on which > Joseph Lucas built his factory in Great King Street? I know he took it > over in 1872 but I am interested on the people who owned it earlier than > that. That's not quite the whole story. 1872 was the year in which Joseph Lucas moved house from Carver Street to 209 Great King St. No. 209 was near the corner of GKS and New John St. - it wasn't the site of the big GKS factories. In 1875 the first Lucas factory - the Tom Bowling Lamp Works - was established in Little King St. Just to add a bit more history to this thread .. My husband. David Fisher, first worked in Gt King Street, Floor G6 Gas Turbine Shop 1960, then they closed that shop and he moved to Shaftmoor Lane to BW5. He left there in 1969 when we emigrated to the States. His father Charles Fisher worked in Gt King Street, K4 Maintenance Tool Room, and was Chairman of the Joint Shop Stewards Committee and Deputy Convener and Shop Steward of the Tool Room. He was also Treasurer of the local AEU Union Branch which met in the Lord Nelson Pub. The Convener was Jack Allen, who was given an honor from the Queen, and OBE or such. Upon his death in Nov 1975, the funeral cortege of around 50 cars, briefly stopped outside the factory in Gt King Street, so that workers could pay respects. Georgina Fisher

Hi List, Can anyone suggest some good websites where I can find information (& hopefully photos) on the Indian Rubber Works in Birmingham around the 1900 - 1920 mark?. I have a family member listed as the "Director of India Rubber Works" and would love a photo of him. He is Edwin Louis Curbishley born 1865 in Birmingham (married to Louisa Milton Ollis b1868/9) and he is the brother of my 3x gt grandfather Joseph Curbishley born 1868. I can't visit any library's in person as I live in New Zealand. Any help is appreciated. Regards Keely

Hi, I have looked up the history of Joseph Lucas on the internet in the past and there was quite a bit written about it! I found it very interesting... Also, if you type in , Memories of Joseph Lucas" you should get a site with pictures of some of he workers and also a write up of the history! Enjoy!! Sandra. -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of chris cole Sent: 03 August 2009 15:36 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Joseph Lucas factory site Can anyone advise me on discovering the history of the site on which Joseph Lucas built his factory in Great King Street? I know he took it over in 1872 but I am interested on the people who owned it earlier than that. Hoping someone can help, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years-enjoy free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2278 - Release Date: 08/02/09 17:56:00

Thanks! The first is I think the only possibility - I had found the second, but this Elizabeth is still unmarried and living with Lydia Crompton in 1851, so can't be "my" Elizabeth (though strangely, her father was Robert Crompton too). Marriage was at St Phillips in Birmingham, so if anyone knows if there was a marriage between a Robert Crompton and Sophia at the parish, or if any records are available online, I might be able to take it further. As a Boat Loader, Robert Crompton might have been on board, and so not counted. He is not shown as deceased on the marriage record. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Crompton > Hi Angela, > If you think they came from Birmingham, this one is a possibility in > 1841. The problem with 1841 is that it doesn't give exact ages > ( adults - those over 15 - have their ages rounded down to the nearest > 5 years - so 15-19 will be given as 15 ). They also don't give > relationships or marital status - but this looks like mother married > daughter and grandchildren and unmarried children > > 1841 England Census > about Elizabeth Crompton > Name: Elizabeth Crompton > Age: 15 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 > Gender: Female > Where born: Warwickshire, England > > Civil parish: Birmingham > Hundred: Birmingham > County/Island: Warwickshire > Country: England > > Street Address: Dale End > > Occupation: Prep worker (???) > > > Registration district: Birmingham > Sub-registration district: St Mary > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: > Name Age > Sophia Crompton 50 > Mary Hunt 20 > Elizabeth Crompton 15 > William Crompton 10 > Ralph Hunt 4 > Sarah Hunt 2 > > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1143; Book: 3; Civil Parish: > Birmingham; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 6; Folio: 33; > Page: 14; Line: 20; GSU roll: 464180. > > This is another possibility > > 1841 England Census > about Elizabeth Crompton > Name: Elizabeth Crompton > Age: 20 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 > Gender: Female > Where born: Warwickshire, England > > Civil parish: St George > Hundred: Birmingham > County/Island: Warwickshire > Country: England > > Street Address: Tower St > > > Registration district: Birmingham > Sub-registration district: St George > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: > Name Age > Ledy Crompton 60 Occupation: schoolmistress > Elizabeth Crompton 20 > > > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1141; Book: 9; Civil Parish: St > George; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 24; Folio: 12; > Page: 17; Line: 9 > > And this one living in Aston with a couple old enough to be her > grandparents > > 1841 England Census > about Elizh Crompton > Name: Elizh Crompton > Age: 15 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 > Gender: Female > Where born: Warwickshire, England > > Civil parish: Aston > Hundred: Birmingham > County/Island: Warwickshire > Country: England > > Street Address: > > Occupation: > > View image > > Registration district: Aston > Sub-registration district: Duddeston and Nechells > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: > Name Age > Elizh Crompton 15 > > Elizh MayView Record > John May abt 1756 Aston, Warwickshire > > > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1149; Book: 9; Civil Parish: > Aston; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 25; Folio: 45; > Page: 6; Line: 23; > > HTH > Anne > On 2 Aug 2009, at 23:40, Alan wrote: > >> Seeking details of ELIZABETH CROMPTON father ROBERT CROMPTON, a Boat >> Loader. Elizabeth probably born around 1823 as she is shown as "of >> full age" at the time of her marriage to John Hinman, a Boatman, in >> 1845. As there are no census records for the couple after their >> marriage, I can't be more precise. >> I have not been able to find Robert or Elizabeth in the 1841 census. >> Any thoughts welcomed! >> Angela >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Chris try this forum http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/showthread.php? t=1242&highlight=lucas+great+king Dave Carr Paignton Devon On 3 Aug 2009, at 15:36, chris cole wrote: Can anyone advise me on discovering the history of the site on which Joseph Lucas built his factory in Great King Street? I know he took it over in 1872 but I am interested on the people who owned it earlier than that. Hoping someone can help, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years—enjoy free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Angela, If you think they came from Birmingham, this one is a possibility in 1841. The problem with 1841 is that it doesn't give exact ages ( adults - those over 15 - have their ages rounded down to the nearest 5 years - so 15-19 will be given as 15 ). They also don't give relationships or marital status - but this looks like mother married daughter and grandchildren and unmarried children 1841 England Census about Elizabeth Crompton Name: Elizabeth Crompton Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Female Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Hundred: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: Dale End Occupation: Prep worker (???) Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Mary Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Sophia Crompton 50 Mary Hunt 20 Elizabeth Crompton 15 William Crompton 10 Ralph Hunt 4 Sarah Hunt 2 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1143; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Birmingham; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 6; Folio: 33; Page: 14; Line: 20; GSU roll: 464180. This is another possibility 1841 England Census about Elizabeth Crompton Name: Elizabeth Crompton Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Female Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil parish: St George Hundred: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: Tower St Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St George Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ledy Crompton 60 Occupation: schoolmistress Elizabeth Crompton 20 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1141; Book: 9; Civil Parish: St George; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 24; Folio: 12; Page: 17; Line: 9 And this one living in Aston with a couple old enough to be her grandparents 1841 England Census about Elizh Crompton Name: Elizh Crompton Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Female Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Aston Hundred: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Duddeston and Nechells Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizh Crompton 15 Elizh MayView Record John May abt 1756 Aston, Warwickshire Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1149; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Aston; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 25; Folio: 45; Page: 6; Line: 23; HTH Anne On 2 Aug 2009, at 23:40, Alan wrote: > Seeking details of ELIZABETH CROMPTON father ROBERT CROMPTON, a Boat > Loader. Elizabeth probably born around 1823 as she is shown as "of > full age" at the time of her marriage to John Hinman, a Boatman, in > 1845. As there are no census records for the couple after their > marriage, I can't be more precise. > I have not been able to find Robert or Elizabeth in the 1841 census. > Any thoughts welcomed! > Angela > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Can anyone advise me on discovering the history of the site on which Joseph Lucas built his factory in Great King Street? I know he took it over in 1872 but I am interested on the people who owned it earlier than that. Hoping someone can help, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years—enjoy free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

Hi Keely suggest you try this link first http://www.midlandshistoricaldata.org/index.html there are several links to the Leyland and Birmingham Rubber Company, not sure if they are the same one but they seem pretty knowledgeable, try (but bear in mind these photos are of Leyland rather than Birmingham) http://www.lakelandelements.com/rainwearhistory/ leylandandbirminghamrubberco.htm Dave Carr Paignton Devon On 3 Aug 2009, at 11:32, Craig and Keely Chitty wrote: Hi List, Can anyone suggest some good websites where I can find information (& hopefully photos) on the Indian Rubber Works in Birmingham around the 1900 - 1920 mark?. I have a family member listed as the "Director of India Rubber Works" and would love a photo of him. He is Edwin Louis Curbishley born 1865 in Birmingham (married to Louisa Milton Ollis b1868/9) and he is the brother of my 3x gt grandfather Joseph Curbishley born 1868. I can't visit any library's in person as I live in New Zealand. Any help is appreciated. Regards Keely _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message