Hello list and thank you to everyone who replied to me, especially David and Nivard. I shall probably order the death certificate for Elsie A d 1923 in Kings Norton [I think she may have been Elsie May], but will check first if that covered Aston at the time. [Please forgive my ignorance of the area everyone.] Nivard, you're quite right, I did order via the England and Wales GRO - I looked at Ancestry the other day and couldn't believe what they charge, especially as I live in England. Kind regards Jennie in southern France for the moment and it's very hot. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

If anyone else is researching the family name of Rachel in the Birmingham area please could you get in touch. Thanks, Lorraine MathersLorraine@aol.com

Kia Ora Greetings from New Zealand I am seeking ANY news of Cedric Marston McGORRERY (born 1892) and his wife Melanie (nee Van Caster) (born 1899) after their marriage in 1922 St Giles London. I know they were in Birmingham circa 1939 from a copy of a letter I have. I have no idea if they had children nor when/where they died. If anyone can help with additional information I would be most grateful as I am tring to track forward!. TIA Marlene

Hi I am trying to find out what happened to the Moseley School af Art and where did its records go. Thanks Dave NZ

As a courtesy before I posted this ladies death I went through every year from 1919 onwards looking for Elsie FEREDAY or FARADAY to no avail until the 1923 listing ...flu or not. I used Find my Past. David in Oz

Hi, I have relatives with the surname of McGeary, sometimes spelt, McGary, McGarry, McGory and numerous variations. It is a name of Irish origin and most irish imigrants could not read or write and as the mother was mostly the informant at the registrars office (and the census numerator) with a broad Irish accent, anything close was written down. Perhaps you could research the varients of McGorrery, I wish you the best of luck. P.Anluain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: [B'ham] McGORRERY > Kia Ora > Greetings from New Zealand > I am seeking ANY news of Cedric Marston McGORRERY (born 1892) and his wife > Melanie (nee Van Caster) (born 1899) after their marriage in 1922 St > Giles London. > I know they were in Birmingham circa 1939 from a copy of a letter I have. > I have no idea if they had children nor when/where they died. > > If anyone can help with additional information I would be most grateful as > I am tring to track forward!. > TIA > Marlene > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jennie I found the following death, Elsie A Fereday (37) 1Qu 1923 K N 6d 161 send to the B'ham Registry for the cert. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: <hagueberesford@aol.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:27 AM Subject: [B'ham] Elsie Fereday and Billy Martin about 1892 to 1918, Aston > Hello. I hope someone on the list might be able to help me please. My > Granny's sister Elsie and her fiance Billy Martin died in the flu > epidemic/pandemic around the First World War or just after. Billy was > born in Devon or Cornwall, according to family members and I think I > may have found his death record on Ancestry in 1919. I have ordered the > certificate. > > It seems that Elsie pined so badly that she also died of influenza, but > I haven't found her death record around 1919-1921 on Ancestry. > > Is there anywhere else I can look please? Elsie lived in Aston. > > Kind regards, Jennie > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Marlene There are not a lot of McGORRERY's about I see their marriage but no children Name: Cedric M McGorrery Spouse Surname: Van Caster Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1922 Registration district: St Giles Registration county (inferred): Middlesex Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 1325 Name: Melanie M L Van Caster Spouse Surname: McGorrery Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1922 Registration district: St Giles Registration county (inferred): Middlesex Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 1325 The only addition is the WW1 medal card for Cedric Name: C M McGorrery Regiment or Corps: 28th London Regiment, Army Service Corps, Royal Air Force Regimental Number: 909, 909, 909 There are no later events but they may have died before 1983 when the computerised index starts, from 1916 to 1983 is in the process of being transcribed by Ancestry so it might be worth hanging until its release (no dates given for that as yet) Or you could wade through the GRO index, the name is uncommon so should stand out There is a chance that the names are mistranscribed in the available records but have tried both surnames with nil result in the births post 1915 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Kia Ora > Greetings from New Zealand > I am seeking ANY news of Cedric Marston McGORRERY (born 1892) and his wife > Melanie (nee Van Caster) (born 1899) after their marriage in 1922 St > Giles London. > I know they were in Birmingham circa 1939 from a copy of a letter I have. > I have no idea if they had children nor when/where they died. > > If anyone can help with additional information I would be most grateful as > I am tring to track forward!. > Marlene

Jennie, Try Rootsweb Free BMD Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: <hagueberesford@aol.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:27 AM Subject: [B'ham] Elsie Fereday and Billy Martin about 1892 to 1918, Aston > Hello. I hope someone on the list might be able to help me please. My > Granny's sister Elsie and her fiance Billy Martin died in the flu > epidemic/pandemic around the First World War or just after. Billy was > born in Devon or Cornwall, according to family members and I think I > may have found his death record on Ancestry in 1919. I have ordered the > certificate. > > It seems that Elsie pined so badly that she also died of influenza, but > I haven't found her death record around 1919-1921 on Ancestry. > > Is there anywhere else I can look please? Elsie lived in Aston. > > Kind regards, Jennie > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, the death is available on freebmd as it is on Ancestry Deaths Mar 1923 Fereday Elsie A 37 King's N. 6d 161 If the age at death of 37 tallies with known information or roughly Billy MARTINs age at death its likely to be her, I was just pointing out that it would not have been as a result of the pandemic (could be influenced by it though) as the pandemic had long finished by 1923 Family stories are often misheard, embellished or whatever over time, I have several found to have a grain of truth but people were mixed up etc Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > As a courtesy before I posted this ladies death I went through every year > from 1919 onwards looking for Elsie FEREDAY or FARADAY to no avail until > the > 1923 listing ...flu or not. I used Find my Past. > > David in Oz

The school has its own web site, and there is a reunion of ex pupils every year (May) at the old school. Regards Brian

Dave I would suggest that you contact Graeme Collins, who is the President of the Moseley School ,of Art Association When were you there? I was there 1945-1948 John S Sermon -- John Sermon NDD FCSD + associates Past president of the Chartered Society of Designers general consultant designers 24 Monks Walk EVESHAM, Worcestershire WR11 4SL 01386 49967 On 16/08/2009 06:05, "Dave Jacks" <dave.jacks@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > Hi > I am trying to find out what happened to the Moseley School af Art and > where did its records go. > Thanks Dave NZ > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave Try the Birmingham History Forum http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk Mike Fisher in Droitwich Dave Jacks wrote: > Hi > I am trying to find out what happened to the Moseley School af Art and where did its records go. > Thanks Dave NZ > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Go to the Moseley School of Art web site Regards Brian On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 6:05 AM, Dave Jacks <dave.jacks@paradise.net.nz>wrote: > Hi > I am trying to find out what happened to the Moseley School af Art and > where did its records go. > Thanks Dave NZ > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If that is the correct death registration it means that flu was not the cause or at least not the pandemic which hit between 1918 to mid 1920 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > There is a: > > Elsie A.FEREDAY died March quarter 1923 in registered in Kings Norton > > Free BMD > > David in Oz

There is a: Elsie A.FEREDAY died March quarter 1923 in registered in Kings Norton Free BMD David in Oz

Hi Jennie Firstly you say you ordered a death certificate? I hope you didn't order it via Ancestry as if you did you will be paying a lot more than you should if you ordered it direct from the GRO The index of births marriages and deaths starts in 1837 and runs to the present day, with a few changes during that time the major one being in 1983 after which its computerised so there are no page images So there is only one centralised index for each event (usually known as the GRO index) which is made up of returns from all the local registrars in England and Wales What differs is how you access it, what you may have accessed is the freebmd transcribed index which is a work in progress and not complete for the period you are interested in (its available on Ancestry as well as the freebmd site) You would need to search the page images of the GRO index which are also available on Ancestry, log into Ancestry and select Births, Marriages and Deaths, then from the Deaths section select the third option of the three Deaths 1837 - 1915 (transcribed by FreeBMD) Deaths 1984 - 2005 (transcribed) *Death Indexes 1837 - 1983* Enter the name , plus a year and range if required (I find checking each year easier) you should get four quarters per year (you might get more than one page for a quarter if they overlap) check each quarter in turn from the last known time the person was known to be alive Note the year, quarter place registered and reference to then order the certificate Like all transcriptions (the GRO is a transcription of the local registrars returns) it is prone to error so if you don't find your name it does not mean it didn't occur but may have been wrongly transcribed at some point or missed off the returns (errors happened all to frequently) Are you sure she did not marry someone else though as there are a few possible Elsie FEREDAYs marrying Family stories are not always correct (slight understatement there <g>) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello. I hope someone on the list might be able to help me please. My > Granny's sister Elsie and her fiance Billy Martin died in the flu > epidemic/pandemic around the First World War or just after. Billy was > born in Devon or Cornwall, according to family members and I think I > may have found his death record on Ancestry in 1919. I have ordered the > certificate. > > It seems that Elsie pined so badly that she also died of influenza, but > I haven't found her death record around 1919-1921 on Ancestry. > > Is there anywhere else I can look please? Elsie lived in Aston. > > Kind regards, Jennie

Hi Carolyn My first thought would be to contact the local history dept *Birmingham Central Library Chamberlain Square Birmingham B3 3HQ * *Tel: (0121) 303 4511 Fax: (0121) 233 4458 Textphone: (0121) 303 4547 e-mail * central.library@birmingham.gov.uk <mailto:central.library@birmingham.gov.uk> in archives Declaration by George Richards Elkington of Birmingham, electro plater, concerning land in Frederick Street sold by the said George Richards Elkington to James Baldwin. Plan. Paper. *MS 3800/78* /31 March 1856 / Licence from the Governors of the Free Grammar School of King Edward VI in Birmingham to George Richards of Birmingham to assign to George Richards Elkington of Birmingham, gilt toy maker, premises and land in Frederick Street, leased by the said Governors to the said George Richards. Paper. *MS 3800/70* /4 December 1829 / Lease for a year from John Lawrence of Birmingham, silversmith, to George Richards Elkington of Birmingham, gilt toy maker, of a parcel of building land in the parish of Birmingham. Parchment. *MS 3800/72* /23 November 1830 / Assignment of lease from George Richards, late of Birmingham, but now of Bartleets Bartlett's Buildings Holborn Holborn Circus, London, gilt toy manufacturer, to George Richards Elkington of Birmingham, gilt toy manufacturer, of a messuage and land in Frederick Street. Rent: £20. 16. 8. Consideration: £1,600. Parchment. *MS 3800/69* /24 June 1829 g.hodge // / These documents are held at Birmingham City Archives <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=143> > Thanks for your information. It's really helpful. Is the period of > journeyman a set amount of time or until the person has acquired a standard > of skill? > Would he have received papers stating that he was a master electroplater? > > Unfortunately I don't know where he apprenticed. Is there some way to find > out? A listing perhaps??? That would be really helpful. > > I was able to find him (and his business) listed in a couple of the Trade > directories. > Best wishes > Carolyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > JJupar@aol.com > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:47 AM > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Electroplating apprenticeship/master > > > In a message dated 14/08/2009 04:17:09 GMT Daylight Time, > caroburley@sympatico.ca writes: > > How long were apprenticeships? > > What would it take to become a "Master"? As a master could he train > others? > His son became an electroplater as well. > > > Hi > > I believe an apprenticeship lasted for seven years. Do you know where he > was apprenticed and with which company. > > When he had completed his Apprenticeship he would then be allowed to work > as a qualified man sometime as a journey man, eventually becoming a Master > of his craft. > > Once he had qualified he would then be allowed to train his son who would > have to serve an apprentice ship like his father had done. > > Birmingham was of course the centre for Silver work and this is where my > family came from. They eventually had one of the largest well known > companies called Elkington & Co. If you want to read his story, look at > _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com) and find > George > Richards Elkington. > > JUDY ELKINGTON > [N. Derbyshire, England] > > www.elkingtonfamily.com > ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com > www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

In a message dated 15/08/2009 17:46:29 GMT Daylight Time, jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk writes: / Licence from the Governors of the Free Grammar School of King Edward VI in Birmingham to George Richards of Birmingham to assign to George Richards Elkington of Birmingham, gilt toy maker, premises and land in Frederick Street, leased by the said Governors to the said George Richards. Paper. *MS 3800/70* /4 December 1829 / Lease for a year from John Lawrence of Birmingham, silversmith, to George Richards Elkington of Birmingham, gilt toy maker, of a parcel of building land in the parish of Birmingham. Parchment. *MS 3800/72* /23 November 1830 / Assignment of lease from George Richards, late of Birmingham, but now of Bartleets Bartlett's Buildings Holborn Holborn Circus, London, gilt toy manufacturer, to George Richards Elkington of Birmingham, gilt toy manufacturer, of a messuage and land in Frederick Street. Rent: £20. 16. 8. Consideration: £1,600. Parchment. *MS 3800/69* /24 June 1829 Hi The various early documents are written before George Richards Elkington became an Electro Plater. He inherited the business of Gilt Toy and Spectacle maker from his uncles Josiah and George Richards. He was later a Governor of King Edward School and founded the business of Elkington & Co. in 1830 after inheriting his uncle's business. He was a magistrate in 1856 and ended up a very wealthy man. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Hello. I hope someone on the list might be able to help me please. My Granny's sister Elsie and her fiance Billy Martin died in the flu epidemic/pandemic around the First World War or just after. Billy was born in Devon or Cornwall, according to family members and I think I may have found his death record on Ancestry in 1919. I have ordered the certificate. It seems that Elsie pined so badly that she also died of influenza, but I haven't found her death record around 1919-1921 on Ancestry. Is there anywhere else I can look please? Elsie lived in Aston. Kind regards, Jennie ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.