Hi Rosalind, Those marks are in fact maker's marks and not hallmarks. Maker's marks would accompany the hallmarks, Anchor for Birmingham, Lion for sterling and before 1892, Sovereign's head for duty mark. Also used on gold. Doug. -- Doug Hawkes e-mail: dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca > Thanks Doug, for the Thomas Acott hallmark. Were there similar markings > for > gold? > Rosalind. > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Suttonian1@aol.com > Sent: Friday, 21 August 2009 4:11 PM > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Hall marks > > Thanks for posting that link Doug. > I found one of my rellies Albert Edward Goodby. > > Georgina > > > In a message dated 8/20/2009 10:37:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca writes: > > Hi Rosalind, > > Have a look at this link, Doug. > > http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-T.html > > -- > Doug Hawkes > e-mail: dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca > >> Thomas Acott and Alfred Arnold were both jewelers in the Birmingham in > the >> 1800s. Can anyone help me please in discovering if they had hall marks >> for >> their products. Arnold migrated to Australia in 1878, Acott had died >> earlier than that. >> >> >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Rosalind G from Adelaide, South Australia. >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Doug, for the Thomas Acott hallmark. Were there similar markings for gold? Rosalind. -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suttonian1@aol.com Sent: Friday, 21 August 2009 4:11 PM To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Hall marks Thanks for posting that link Doug. I found one of my rellies Albert Edward Goodby. Georgina In a message dated 8/20/2009 10:37:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca writes: Hi Rosalind, Have a look at this link, Doug. http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-T.html -- Doug Hawkes e-mail: dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca > Thomas Acott and Alfred Arnold were both jewelers in the Birmingham in the > 1800s. Can anyone help me please in discovering if they had hall marks > for > their products. Arnold migrated to Australia in 1878, Acott had died > earlier than that. > > > > Many thanks, > > Rosalind G from Adelaide, South Australia. > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard I was wondering if it was possible that he worked for his father as well. I'm glad that you suggested it. I was thinking that a jeweller must have years of training I didn't realize that someone doing simpler tasks would consider themselves a jeweller. You have the right family, but it's not clear even on the census whether it's Thomas S or J. He may have left England. My great grand father (Thomas's brother) did come to Canada about 1889. I've never been able to find proof that Thomas left as well. Thanks for your suggestions. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:24 PM To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Thomas Burley Hi Carolyn It depends upon what you think of as a jeweller Someone who worked in a jewellers , repaired or cleaned jewellry could be called a jeweller In 1881 there are over 1,000....16 to 18 year olds with jeweller in their occupation Having said that, ten years is an awful long time so he could have had five jobs or more in between a census to the next Do you know he lived later than that or could he have left the Country? He appears to be a Thomas S BURLEY , do you know what the S stood for, or is it a J ? (if I have the right family) As his father is an Electro Plater employing 4 hands, do you not think he worked for his father? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On the 1881 census, Thomas Burley is 17 yrs old. Under occupation it is > stated Jeweller. How is this possible? Could someone so young be a > jeweller? By the 1891 he is no longer living with his family. I'm trying > to find him by matching his occupation but there is no one listed as a > jeweller. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > > Thanks Carolyn _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Doug Thank you for this site, I found all my Peppers. Best wishes Jill -------Original Message------- From: Douglas Hawkes Date: 8/20/2009 10:37:26 PM To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Hall marks Hi Rosalind, Have a look at this link, Doug. http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-T.html -- Doug Hawkes e-mail: dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca > Thomas Acott and Alfred Arnold were both jewelers in the Birmingham in the > 1800s. Can anyone help me please in discovering if they had hall marks > for > their products. Arnold migrated to Australia in 1878, Acott had died > earlier than that. > > > > Many thanks, > > Rosalind G from Adelaide, South Australia. > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for posting that link Doug. I found one of my rellies Albert Edward Goodby. Georgina In a message dated 8/20/2009 10:37:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca writes: Hi Rosalind, Have a look at this link, Doug. http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-T.html -- Doug Hawkes e-mail: dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca > Thomas Acott and Alfred Arnold were both jewelers in the Birmingham in the > 1800s. Can anyone help me please in discovering if they had hall marks > for > their products. Arnold migrated to Australia in 1878, Acott had died > earlier than that. > > > > Many thanks, > > Rosalind G from Adelaide, South Australia. > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > >

Hi Rosalind, Have a look at this link, Doug. http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-T.html -- Doug Hawkes e-mail: dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca > Thomas Acott and Alfred Arnold were both jewelers in the Birmingham in the > 1800s. Can anyone help me please in discovering if they had hall marks > for > their products. Arnold migrated to Australia in 1878, Acott had died > earlier than that. > > > > Many thanks, > > Rosalind G from Adelaide, South Australia. > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carolyn: The term jeweller wouldn't mean what it does today, but simply someone involved in making jewelry. And that could cover a wide variety of jobs, many of them within the capabilities of a 17 year old. Best wishes Paul 2009/8/20 Carolyn Burley <caroburley@sympatico.ca> > On the 1881 census, Thomas Burley is 17 yrs old. Under occupation it is > stated Jeweller. How is this possible? Could someone so young be a > jeweller? By the 1891 he is no longer living with his family. I'm trying > to find him by matching his occupation but there is no one listed as a > jeweller. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > > Thanks Carolyn > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carolyn It depends upon what you think of as a jeweller Someone who worked in a jewellers , repaired or cleaned jewellry could be called a jeweller In 1881 there are over 1,000....16 to 18 year olds with jeweller in their occupation Having said that, ten years is an awful long time so he could have had five jobs or more in between a census to the next Do you know he lived later than that or could he have left the Country? He appears to be a Thomas S BURLEY , do you know what the S stood for, or is it a J ? (if I have the right family) As his father is an Electro Plater employing 4 hands, do you not think he worked for his father? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On the 1881 census, Thomas Burley is 17 yrs old. Under occupation it is > stated Jeweller. How is this possible? Could someone so young be a > jeweller? By the 1891 he is no longer living with his family. I'm trying > to find him by matching his occupation but there is no one listed as a > jeweller. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > > Thanks Carolyn

Hello Tam, Would you have an Abner Smith on one of the branches of your tree? Do you know what happened to Samual? Did he emigrate? Barbara

Thomas Acott and Alfred Arnold were both jewelers in the Birmingham in the 1800s. Can anyone help me please in discovering if they had hall marks for their products. Arnold migrated to Australia in 1878, Acott had died earlier than that. Many thanks, Rosalind G from Adelaide, South Australia.

On the 1881 census, Thomas Burley is 17 yrs old. Under occupation it is stated Jeweller. How is this possible? Could someone so young be a jeweller? By the 1891 he is no longer living with his family. I'm trying to find him by matching his occupation but there is no one listed as a jeweller. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks Carolyn

I recently visited a distant cousin and he showed me so photographs on glass, still in their presentation cases. The only clue to who they are is which side of the family they are from and the photographers name and address. So can anyone tell me when the following person was a photographer or can help with the age of the photographs on glass? The photographer is AT MARTIN New St Birmingham Helena The Bladon web site www.bladon.me.uk

Nivard - you wee wonder - thank you! I hadn't searched that far forward! Obviously one or both moved about a bit! I am SO grateful as while I don't mind collecting certs for blood lines I only get spouses if I cannot find other sources! I had 10 Great Great or great grandparents who emigrated here so it becomes very expensive to track all of the families plus their numerous rug rats! WHOOPEE - given Melanie's notice I am sure that Cedric Marston will be there somewhere! You have given me great hope! Thank you! Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] McGORRERY > Hi Marlene > > I have tried as many variants as I can think of but find nothing, > including > the BT telephone books and directories > > Electoral Rolls are a possibility but they are not indexed and you would > need an address to start with > > You say you checked the London Gazette did you see the following? > > Gazette Issue 48832 published on the 23 December 1981. Page 58 of 64 > McGORRERY Melanie Mabel Louise - Little Home, 14 Kings Road, Lancing, West > Sussex, widow, 10th December 1981 > > Which may be a starting (or rather an ending) point from which you might > track back for electoral rolls > > This is the death registration > > Q4 1981 > MCGORRERY Melanie Mabel L - 26 De 1898 Worthing 18 2339 > > A will may be useful to get if there was one > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > >> Many thanks Nivard & Peter. I have all the details going back to the >> 1790s >> and this was a Military family , well educated and the only mistakes have >> been mistranscriptions. Cedric's grandfather received praise for >> ensuring >> all his troops going to the Crimea were given Bibles by their Parish >> cleric >> and returned to retire as Governor of a Prison. It has been fascinating >> researching their backgrounds, but the families lost touch after Cedric >> wrote in 1939 inviting my Uncle to visit if he happened to be on leave in >> Britain from the Navy during the World War2. >> I couldn't see any children as you rightly point out so I guess I will >> start >> the long haul through the Indexes! My only other hope is that they might >> be >> spotted on Electoral Rolls or similar which might cut down the time >> frame. >> Thanks again - another pair of eyes is always reassuring! >> Marlene >> New Zealand > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike I suppose I should have said *in general* electoral rolls are not indexed The ones on the site you mentioned are only for Birmingham as far as I can make out which may help the OP but it looks like you have to pay to even search any of them which seems a bit rich Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard > > There are electoral rolls of Birmingham indexed and searchable online on > http://www.*midlandshistoricaldata*.*org > Pay per view or subscription. > > regards > Mike Fisher > * > Nivard Ovington wrote: > Electoral Rolls are a possibility but they are not indexed

Sorry should be http://www.midlandshistoricaldata.org/ Don't know where the * 's came from Mike Mike Fisher wrote: > Hi Nivard > > There are electoral rolls of Birmingham indexed and searchable online on > http://www.*midlandshistoricaldata*.*org > Pay per view or subscription. > > regards > Mike Fisher > * > Nivard Ovington wrote: > Electoral Rolls are a possibility but they are not indexed > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Nivard There are electoral rolls of Birmingham indexed and searchable online on http://www.*midlandshistoricaldata*.*org Pay per view or subscription. regards Mike Fisher * Nivard Ovington wrote: Electoral Rolls are a possibility but they are not indexed

Hi Thanks for all the information on the Moseley School of Art. Brilliant response as usual. Dave Jacks NZ

Hi Marlene I have tried as many variants as I can think of but find nothing, including the BT telephone books and directories Electoral Rolls are a possibility but they are not indexed and you would need an address to start with You say you checked the London Gazette did you see the following? Gazette Issue 48832 published on the 23 December 1981. Page 58 of 64 McGORRERY Melanie Mabel Louise - Little Home, 14 Kings Road, Lancing, West Sussex, widow, 10th December 1981 Which may be a starting (or rather an ending) point from which you might track back for electoral rolls This is the death registration Q4 1981 MCGORRERY Melanie Mabel L - 26 De 1898 Worthing 18 2339 A will may be useful to get if there was one Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Many thanks Nivard & Peter. I have all the details going back to the 1790s > and this was a Military family , well educated and the only mistakes have > been mistranscriptions. Cedric's grandfather received praise for ensuring > all his troops going to the Crimea were given Bibles by their Parish > cleric > and returned to retire as Governor of a Prison. It has been fascinating > researching their backgrounds, but the families lost touch after Cedric > wrote in 1939 inviting my Uncle to visit if he happened to be on leave in > Britain from the Navy during the World War2. > I couldn't see any children as you rightly point out so I guess I will > start > the long haul through the Indexes! My only other hope is that they might > be > spotted on Electoral Rolls or similar which might cut down the time frame. > Thanks again - another pair of eyes is always reassuring! > Marlene > New Zealand

Many thanks Nivard & Peter. I have all the details going back to the 1790s and this was a Military family , well educated and the only mistakes have been mistranscriptions. Cedric's grandfather received praise for ensuring all his troops going to the Crimea were given Bibles by their Parish cleric and returned to retire as Governor of a Prison. It has been fascinating researching their backgrounds, but the families lost touch after Cedric wrote in 1939 inviting my Uncle to visit if he happened to be on leave in Britain from the Navy during the World War2. I couldn't see any children as you rightly point out so I guess I will start the long haul through the Indexes! My only other hope is that they might be spotted on Electoral Rolls or similar which might cut down the time frame. Thanks again - another pair of eyes is always reassuring! Marlene New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] McGORRERY > Hi Marlene > > There are not a lot of McGORRERY's about > > I see their marriage but no children > > Name: Cedric M McGorrery > Spouse Surname: Van Caster > Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1922 > Registration district: St Giles > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > Volume Number: 1b > Page Number: 1325 > > Name: Melanie M L Van Caster > Spouse Surname: McGorrery > Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1922 > Registration district: St Giles > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > Volume Number: 1b > Page Number: 1325 > > The only addition is the WW1 medal card for Cedric > > Name: C M McGorrery > Regiment or Corps: 28th London Regiment, Army Service Corps, Royal Air > Force > Regimental Number: 909, 909, 909 > > There are no later events but they may have died before 1983 when the > computerised index starts, from 1916 to 1983 is in the process of being > transcribed by Ancestry so it might be worth hanging until its release (no > dates given for that as yet) > > Or you could wade through the GRO index, the name is uncommon so should > stand out > > There is a chance that the names are mistranscribed in the available > records > but have tried both surnames with nil result in the births post 1915 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Kia Ora >> Greetings from New Zealand >> I am seeking ANY news of Cedric Marston McGORRERY (born 1892) and his >> wife >> Melanie (nee Van Caster) (born 1899) after their marriage in 1922 St >> Giles London. >> I know they were in Birmingham circa 1939 from a copy of a letter I have. >> I have no idea if they had children nor when/where they died. >> >> If anyone can help with additional information I would be most grateful >> as >> I am tring to track forward!. > >> Marlene > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Flu killed some of my relatives in Birmingham in 1923 so perhaps it was the tail end of the Spanish Flu pandemic? Or perhaps a new wave? There were certainly a number of deaths from flu in the city that year. The death certificates do not specify what type of flu they had. So - Flu could very well have been the cause of death. Please let us all know what you find. Chris > If that is the correct death registration it means that flu was not the > cause or at least not the pandemic which hit between 1918 to mid 1920 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> There is a: >> >> Elsie A.FEREDAY died March quarter 1923 in registered in Kings Norton >> >> Free BMD >> >> David in Oz _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/