----- Original Message ----- From: "Candy Thoutsis" <candy713@comcast.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith > Chris, > > Thank you so much for the information....now that I look at it with the > info > you sent I can see it does say The Church of the Oratory. > > Candy > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith > > >> On 30 Aug, Candy Thoutsis <candy713@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Listers, >> >>> Would anyone have any connection to the family below? >> >>> Philip Smith b. 1908 married Nellie LATHAM Smith b. 1912. >> >>> Philip's father was Joseph Ambrose Smith >>> Nellie's stepfather was Edward Smith >> >>> I have a marriage certificate but I cannot read the writing on the cert >>> that well....I think it says ...The Church of the =====Hagley Road. >>> Edgbaton??? >> >> Oratory. It's an RC church. >> >>> Any help would be most appreciated. >> >>> Thank you, >>> Candy >>> Cape Cod Massachusetts USA >> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> _____________________________________________ >> >>> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> Chris Pampling >> >> researching: >> >> >> >> BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, >> MAHER >> >> all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day >> >> PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present >> >> VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Candy Thoutsis" <candy713@comcast.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith > Hi Lesley, > > I looked for the church on the link you gave me and along with Chris' > information I see that it was The Church of the Oratory. I noticed you > live in Edgbaston Birmingham... My Smiths probably lived in Edgbaston > Birmingham if the church was there . How far away would that be from > Aston Manor? > > Thank you so much for answering my email. > > Candy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Lambourne" <lesley.lambourne@dsl.pipex.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith > > >> Is it Church of the Redeemer? >> >> Have a look at this link for some pictures and more information >> >> Lesley Lambourne, Edgbaston, Birmingham >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Candy >> Thoutsis >> Sent: 30 August 2009 14:33 >> To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [B'ham] Smith >> >> >> Hi Listers, >> >> Would anyone have any connection to the family below? >> >> Philip Smith b. 1908 married Nellie LATHAM Smith b. 1912. >> >> Philip's father was Joseph Ambrose Smith >> Nellie's stepfather was Edward Smith >> >> I have a marriage certificate but I cannot read the writing on the cert >> that >> >> well....I think it says ...The Church of the =====Hagley Road. >> Edgbaton??? >> >> Any help would be most appreciated. >> >> Thank you, >> Candy >> Cape Cod Massachusetts USA >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lesley, I looked for the church on the link you gave me and along with Chris' information I see that it was The Church of the Oratory. I noticed you lve in Edgbaston Birmingham... My Smiths probably lived in Edgbaston Birmingham if the church was there . How far away would that be from Aston Manor? Thank you so much for answering my email. Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Lambourne" <lesley.lambourne@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith > Is it Church of the Redeemer? > > Have a look at this link for some pictures and more information > > Lesley Lambourne, Edgbaston, Birmingham > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Candy > Thoutsis > Sent: 30 August 2009 14:33 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B'ham] Smith > > > Hi Listers, > > Would anyone have any connection to the family below? > > Philip Smith b. 1908 married Nellie LATHAM Smith b. 1912. > > Philip's father was Joseph Ambrose Smith > Nellie's stepfather was Edward Smith > > I have a marriage certificate but I cannot read the writing on the cert > that > > well....I think it says ...The Church of the =====Hagley Road. Edgbaton??? > > Any help would be most appreciated. > > Thank you, > Candy > Cape Cod Massachusetts USA > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris, Thank you so much for the information....now that I look at it with the info you sent I can see it does say The Church of the Oratory. Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith > On 30 Aug, Candy Thoutsis <candy713@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hi Listers, > >> Would anyone have any connection to the family below? > >> Philip Smith b. 1908 married Nellie LATHAM Smith b. 1912. > >> Philip's father was Joseph Ambrose Smith >> Nellie's stepfather was Edward Smith > >> I have a marriage certificate but I cannot read the writing on the cert >> that well....I think it says ...The Church of the =====Hagley Road. >> Edgbaton??? > > Oratory. It's an RC church. > >> Any help would be most appreciated. > >> Thank you, >> Candy >> Cape Cod Massachusetts USA > >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ > >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Chris Pampling > > researching: > > > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, > MAHER > > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > > PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present > > VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Would anyone have any connection to the family below? Philip Smith b. 1908 married Nellie LATHAM Smith b. 1912. Philip's father was Joseph Ambrose Smith Nellie's stepfather was Edward Smith I have a marriage certificate but I cannot read the writing on the cert that well....I think it says ...The Church of the =====Hagley Road. Edgbaton??? Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you, Candy Cape Cod Massachusetts USA

Kia Ora Greetings from New Zealand I am tracking forward to find the fate of my great granduncle FREDERICK WARD. He was born Alcester Warks in 1859 or more precisely Kings Coughton, a hamlet a mile or so from Alcester. His parents were Vincent & Hannah Ward with whom he was living in 1901, a widower & a Bricklayer's Labourer at 8 Millward St Small Heath. He had 2 daughters Ellen (c1887) and Florence (1890) to his wife Caroline HODGKISS (nee REEVES) who died in 1895. Caroline had a son Thomas William Hodgkiss from a previous marriage.. I am unable to identify Frederick in 1911. As far as I know he did not have a 2nd forename. There is no appropriate death 1901-1911. He may have remarried in Aston to Kathleen Stanton in 1909 Hetty Elvins in 1916 Florence A Parton in 1918 Dorothy A Hudson in 1921 Or in Birmingham to Minnie Taylor or Maud Ethel Thornton in 1903 Amy Gilks, Mary Ann Crowe or Ellen Lloyd in 1909 Phoebe Caddick in 1923 Can anyone eliminate any of the brides for me? Can anyone identify a death or burial? Better still is anyone connected???????? ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Marlene New Zealand

It's not the right one - 1911 census shows him in the following family: FISHER, JESSE HEAD MARRIED M 33 CHOCOLATE WORKER HARBORNE STAFFS FISHER, ELIZABETH WIFE MARRIED 11 F 30 SELLY OAK WORS FISHER, JESSE CHARLES SON M 10 SELLY OAK WORS FISHER, GLADYS MAY DAUGHTER F 8 SELLY OAK WORS FISHER, AMY ELIZABETH DAUGHTER F 5 SELLY OAK WORS FISHER, ALBERT EDWARD SON M 8 MONTHS SELLY OAK WORS FISHER, CHARLES FATHER MARRIED M 70 FARM LABOURER SUTTON COLDFIELD WARWICK FISHER, MARY ANN MOTHER MARRIED 35 F 60 HARBORNE STAFFS There is one Joseph William Fisher in the Kings Norton District, but the wife isn't called Adeleide, had children from a previous marriage and is too old to have further children. I have included this one below so you can eliminate it. FISHER, JOSEPH WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 45 INSURANCE AGENT WEST BROMWICH STAFFD FISHER, ELIZABETH WIFE MARRIED 3 F 53 HOUSEWIFE WOLVERHAMPTON STAFFD HOMESHAW, JAMES H STEPSON SINGLE M 20 CORE MAKER IRON OLDBURY STAFFD HOMESHAW, NELLIE STEPDAUGHTER SINGLE F 18 PEN MANUFACTORY OLDBURY STAFFD HOMESHAW, JOSEPH JAMES STEPSON SINGLE M 17 STEEL TUBE DRAWER OLDBURY STAFFD HOMESHAW, DAISY STEPDAUGHTER SINGLE F 14 OLDBURY STAFFD SMITH, ALICE BOARDER SINGLE F 21 ENAMELLER SMETHWICK STAFFD ONIONS, LESLIE BOARDER M 2 SMETHWICK STAFFD There are a lot of just plain William Fisher in Warwickshire, but no Adeleide. Could Adeleide have been visting a relative? Sorry not to be of more help Lesley -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fisher Sent: 29 August 2009 16:57 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] where is Joseph William FISHER in 1911 Good Idea can you find him in the 1911 census index with Joseph William and Adelaide Fisher ? Mike Lesley Lambourne wrote: > How about the following - could the E be for Edward?? > > Births Sep 1910 > ---------------------- > > FISHER Albert E King's N. 6c 365 > > > > Lesley Lambourne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fisher > Sent: 29 August 2009 13:28 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B'ham] where is Joseph William FISHER in 1911 > > I know your are not going to get a 1911 census lookup due to the cost > but it is possible to find households. > > Hi All, here goes. > > Joseph William Fisher (great-uncle Billy Fisher) married Adelaide > H(e)adley Q1 1908 Kings Norton. > They had 4 children - Edward, Neil Q4 1918, Joan Q4 1918, Stanley Q2 > 1924-31 Dec 1942 > > In the electoral rolls for Birmingham ,28 Rowheath Rd Cotteridge > 1935 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Ted Fisher > 1939 as above > 1945 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Joan Smalley, Donald > Smalley (Joan married Q1 1942 Birmingham Smalley) > !950 as above > > So Edward must have been 21 before the electoral roll for 1935 giving a > calculated birth date of 1908-1914 > > I can't find Joseph William and Adelaide together in the 1911 census. > > I can find this household in 1911 > > Joseph Fisher 54 > Able Fisher 27 > Rose Fisher 54 > William Fisher 23 > Annie Fisher 21 > > From my family tree > Joseph Cornelius FISHER (Joe)(20 Jul 1856-14 Feb 1926) > married 26 Nov 1882 in St Martin,Birmingham,WAR to > Roseanna RHODES(25 Nov 1856-02 May 1924) > and had 5 children: > Abel James FISHER (13 May 1883-14 Mar 1943) > Roseanna Agatha FISHER (06 Mar 1885-1965) > Joseph William FISHER (Billy)(26 May 1887) > Annie FISHER (08 Nov 1889-1940) > Edward FISHER (23 Jul 1892-01 May 1893). > > Can anyone one find a suitable birth for Edward. > and 1911 census for his parents > > Mike in Droitwich > family tree > http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com > > > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean I thought the same!!! Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Lees" <jean_fh@hotmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: [B'ham] (no subject) Wondering if the lists are just very quiet or am i not recieving mail .So thought i would test it . Jean _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years—enjoy free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Idea can you find him in the 1911 census index with Joseph William and Adelaide Fisher ? Mike Lesley Lambourne wrote: > How about the following - could the E be for Edward?? > > Births Sep 1910 > ---------------------- > > FISHER Albert E King's N. 6c 365 > > > > Lesley Lambourne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fisher > Sent: 29 August 2009 13:28 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B'ham] where is Joseph William FISHER in 1911 > > I know your are not going to get a 1911 census lookup due to the cost > but it is possible to find households. > > Hi All, here goes. > > Joseph William Fisher (great-uncle Billy Fisher) married Adelaide > H(e)adley Q1 1908 Kings Norton. > They had 4 children - Edward, Neil Q4 1918, Joan Q4 1918, Stanley Q2 > 1924-31 Dec 1942 > > In the electoral rolls for Birmingham ,28 Rowheath Rd Cotteridge > 1935 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Ted Fisher > 1939 as above > 1945 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Joan Smalley, Donald > Smalley (Joan married Q1 1942 Birmingham Smalley) > !950 as above > > So Edward must have been 21 before the electoral roll for 1935 giving a > calculated birth date of 1908-1914 > > I can't find Joseph William and Adelaide together in the 1911 census. > > I can find this household in 1911 > > Joseph Fisher 54 > Able Fisher 27 > Rose Fisher 54 > William Fisher 23 > Annie Fisher 21 > > From my family tree > Joseph Cornelius FISHER (Joe)(20 Jul 1856-14 Feb 1926) > married 26 Nov 1882 in St Martin,Birmingham,WAR to > Roseanna RHODES(25 Nov 1856-02 May 1924) > and had 5 children: > Abel James FISHER (13 May 1883-14 Mar 1943) > Roseanna Agatha FISHER (06 Mar 1885-1965) > Joseph William FISHER (Billy)(26 May 1887) > Annie FISHER (08 Nov 1889-1940) > Edward FISHER (23 Jul 1892-01 May 1893). > > Can anyone one find a suitable birth for Edward. > and 1911 census for his parents > > Mike in Droitwich > family tree > http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com > > > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

How about the following - could the E be for Edward?? Births Sep 1910 ---------------------- FISHER Albert E King's N. 6c 365 Lesley Lambourne -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fisher Sent: 29 August 2009 13:28 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] where is Joseph William FISHER in 1911 I know your are not going to get a 1911 census lookup due to the cost but it is possible to find households. Hi All, here goes. Joseph William Fisher (great-uncle Billy Fisher) married Adelaide H(e)adley Q1 1908 Kings Norton. They had 4 children - Edward, Neil Q4 1918, Joan Q4 1918, Stanley Q2 1924-31 Dec 1942 In the electoral rolls for Birmingham ,28 Rowheath Rd Cotteridge 1935 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Ted Fisher 1939 as above 1945 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Joan Smalley, Donald Smalley (Joan married Q1 1942 Birmingham Smalley) !950 as above So Edward must have been 21 before the electoral roll for 1935 giving a calculated birth date of 1908-1914 I can't find Joseph William and Adelaide together in the 1911 census. I can find this household in 1911 Joseph Fisher 54 Able Fisher 27 Rose Fisher 54 William Fisher 23 Annie Fisher 21 From my family tree Joseph Cornelius FISHER (Joe)(20 Jul 1856-14 Feb 1926) married 26 Nov 1882 in St Martin,Birmingham,WAR to Roseanna RHODES(25 Nov 1856-02 May 1924) and had 5 children: Abel James FISHER (13 May 1883-14 Mar 1943) Roseanna Agatha FISHER (06 Mar 1885-1965) Joseph William FISHER (Billy)(26 May 1887) Annie FISHER (08 Nov 1889-1940) Edward FISHER (23 Jul 1892-01 May 1893). Can anyone one find a suitable birth for Edward. and 1911 census for his parents Mike in Droitwich family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know your are not going to get a 1911 census lookup due to the cost but it is possible to find households. Hi All, here goes. Joseph William Fisher (great-uncle Billy Fisher) married Adelaide H(e)adley Q1 1908 Kings Norton. They had 4 children - Edward, Neil Q4 1918, Joan Q4 1918, Stanley Q2 1924-31 Dec 1942 In the electoral rolls for Birmingham ,28 Rowheath Rd Cotteridge 1935 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Ted Fisher 1939 as above 1945 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Joan Smalley, Donald Smalley (Joan married Q1 1942 Birmingham Smalley) !950 as above So Edward must have been 21 before the electoral roll for 1935 giving a calculated birth date of 1908-1914 I can't find Joseph William and Adelaide together in the 1911 census. I can find this household in 1911 Joseph Fisher 54 Able Fisher 27 Rose Fisher 54 William Fisher 23 Annie Fisher 21 From my family tree Joseph Cornelius FISHER (Joe)(20 Jul 1856-14 Feb 1926) married 26 Nov 1882 in St Martin,Birmingham,WAR to Roseanna RHODES(25 Nov 1856-02 May 1924) and had 5 children: Abel James FISHER (13 May 1883-14 Mar 1943) Roseanna Agatha FISHER (06 Mar 1885-1965) Joseph William FISHER (Billy)(26 May 1887) Annie FISHER (08 Nov 1889-1940) Edward FISHER (23 Jul 1892-01 May 1893). Can anyone one find a suitable birth for Edward. and 1911 census for his parents Mike in Droitwich family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com

In a message dated 29/08/2009 14:26:30 GMT Daylight Time, mjflists@yahoo.co.uk writes: Joseph William Fisher (great-uncle Billy Fisher) married Adelaide H(e)adley Q1 1908 Kings Norton. They had 4 children - Edward, Neil Q4 1918, Joan Q4 1918, Stanley Q2 1924-31 Dec 1942 Hi I have a few points to use up on the 1911, can you send me the details of birth place and years of the births of Adelaide and Joseph William Fisher as there are quite a few in the 1911. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Hi Jean The best thing to do first is check the archives to see if theres anything posted you haven't seen If nothing there its most likely because its quiet but to test the system why not post an enquiry which will not only confirm the list is functioning but may also galvanise the list into replying :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Wondering if the lists are just very quiet or am i not recieving mail .So thought i would test it . Jean

Wondering if the lists are just very quiet or am i not recieving mail .So thought i would test it . Jean _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years—enjoy free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

The silver mining town of Silverton, 25 klms north-west of Broken Hill, was once the larger centre (during the 1880's) but was soon outstripped by Broken Hill. Lake Bancannia collects water from the northwest basin, called Bancannia Basin and provides water to the two population areas. Silverton is little more than a lovingly restored tourist attraction these days. My guess is that your relative lived in or near Silverton . Wilcannia is nearly 200 klms east of Broken Hill, a township on the Darling River in north-west NSW. Hope this helps. Jan in sunny Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Shaw" <m.rshaw@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith dead end > Hi, Are you sure it was not Wil cannia pub. That is outback. Robyn. Qld. > > At 03:36 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: >>Hello Barbara >> >>I haven't come across an Abner Smith so far but one never knows ... >> >>Samuel emigrated to Australia around 1882, although I've yet to positively >>identify him in the passenger lists. He disappears off the radar for a long >>time. He married Mary Elizabeth Frost in St Peters Church in Broken Hill, a >>silver mining town (now city) in far western NSW in 1890; at the time he was >>the publican of the Bancannia pub (even more remote than Broken Hill) and >>she was a housekeeper (probably at the pub). He held the license at >>Bancannia from 1889-1896. There's nothing there now, but it used to be a >>coach stop. He died of TB (pthisis pulmonalis) on 28 October 1899 at the >>age of 40. His death certificate says that he was '17 years in New South >>Wales', and his occupation was silver miner. I've no idea how a lad from >>Birmingham finished up in a what is still a very remote area. I suspect he >>had a hard life, but I hope that he was happy with Mary and their four >>children at least for a time. They had a fifth child who died soon after >>birth, not long before Samuel died. Mary remarried in 1904 and had two more >>children before her second husband died in 1908. I think she died in 1937 >>but I am still following up that up. >> >>Are you chasing Smiths too? >> >>Cheers >> >>Tam >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "John White" <jwhite65@telus.net> >>To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:07 PM >>Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith dead end >> >> >> > Hello Tam, >> > Would you have an Abner Smith on one of the branches of your tree? >> > Do you know what happened to Samual? Did he emigrate? >> > Barbara >> > _____________________________________________ >> > _____________________________________________ >> > >> > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> > >> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >>_____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >>Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2322 - Release Date: >>08/23/09 18:03:00 > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bancannia is north of Broken Hill along the Silver City Highway. Try these links: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~surreal/NSWW/Hotels/individual-hotel s-A-C.html http://maps.bonzle.com/c/a?a=p&x=141.844706576468&y=-30.8210419652505&w=5000 &h=5000&i=554&j=554&p=15745&pp=15745&fc=1#map http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/AUS-NSW-WEST/2005-02/1107838300 Regards Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Shaw Sent: Tuesday, 25 August 2009 10:35 PM To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith dead end Hi, Are you sure it was not Wil cannia pub. That is outback. Robyn. Qld. At 03:36 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: >Hello Barbara > >I haven't come across an Abner Smith so far but one never knows ... > >Samuel emigrated to Australia around 1882, although I've yet to positively >identify him in the passenger lists. He disappears off the radar for a long >time. He married Mary Elizabeth Frost in St Peters Church in Broken Hill, a >silver mining town (now city) in far western NSW in 1890; at the time he was >the publican of the Bancannia pub (even more remote than Broken Hill) and >she was a housekeeper (probably at the pub). He held the license at >Bancannia from 1889-1896. There's nothing there now, but it used to be a >coach stop. He died of TB (pthisis pulmonalis) on 28 October 1899 at the >age of 40. His death certificate says that he was '17 years in New South >Wales', and his occupation was silver miner. I've no idea how a lad from >Birmingham finished up in a what is still a very remote area. I suspect he >had a hard life, but I hope that he was happy with Mary and their four >children at least for a time. They had a fifth child who died soon after >birth, not long before Samuel died. Mary remarried in 1904 and had two more >children before her second husband died in 1908. I think she died in 1937 >but I am still following up that up. > >Are you chasing Smiths too? > >Cheers > >Tam > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John White" <jwhite65@telus.net> >To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:07 PM >Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith dead end > > > > Hello Tam, > > Would you have an Abner Smith on one of the branches of your tree? > > Do you know what happened to Samual? Did he emigrate? > > Barbara > > _____________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >_____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > >Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2322 - Release Date: >08/23/09 18:03:00 _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Are you sure it was not Wil cannia pub. That is outback. Robyn. Qld. At 03:36 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: >Hello Barbara > >I haven't come across an Abner Smith so far but one never knows ... > >Samuel emigrated to Australia around 1882, although I've yet to positively >identify him in the passenger lists. He disappears off the radar for a long >time. He married Mary Elizabeth Frost in St Peters Church in Broken Hill, a >silver mining town (now city) in far western NSW in 1890; at the time he was >the publican of the Bancannia pub (even more remote than Broken Hill) and >she was a housekeeper (probably at the pub). He held the license at >Bancannia from 1889-1896. There's nothing there now, but it used to be a >coach stop. He died of TB (pthisis pulmonalis) on 28 October 1899 at the >age of 40. His death certificate says that he was '17 years in New South >Wales', and his occupation was silver miner. I've no idea how a lad from >Birmingham finished up in a what is still a very remote area. I suspect he >had a hard life, but I hope that he was happy with Mary and their four >children at least for a time. They had a fifth child who died soon after >birth, not long before Samuel died. Mary remarried in 1904 and had two more >children before her second husband died in 1908. I think she died in 1937 >but I am still following up that up. > >Are you chasing Smiths too? > >Cheers > >Tam > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John White" <jwhite65@telus.net> >To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:07 PM >Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith dead end > > > > Hello Tam, > > Would you have an Abner Smith on one of the branches of your tree? > > Do you know what happened to Samual? Did he emigrate? > > Barbara > > _____________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >_____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > >Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2322 - Release Date: >08/23/09 18:03:00

Thank you to everyone who replied to my request for info. I had no idea that there was a genealogist at Brum archives who looks after this sort of problem, so I have emailed the details and look forward to the reply. Cheers Tam

Hi Marlene William Henry is sadly not the person I'm looking for - he was a 12 year old boy who died from an abscess of the back and disease of the lungs. Not a nice way to go, I suspect. I haven't been able to track Sarah or Eliza beyond the 1881 census. It's difficult when people have such popular names, but now I know there is a genealogist at the Brum RO I'm hoping for the best. I've just been going on BMD and the GRO, but hopefully I'll have better luck being more direct. Thank you for your good wishes - I'll keep my fingers crossed! Cheers Tam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith dead end > Have you got the William HENRY Smith cert Dec 1865 Aston 6d/212? > Remember > the Informant might not have all the details correct! Did you give the > wife/widow' s name and approximate age as verification? > Sarah SMITH 48 Widow on 1881 census with dau Eliza 27 living Irving St > B'ham - is that right? Do you have her in 1891 and 1901? It cuts down the > timeframe to look for her death if we know when she disappeared from the > census. > Good Luck > Marlene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tam Smith" <tamsmith@uq.net.au> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:46 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Smith dead end > > >> Dear All >> >> I am throwing in this problem in the hope that listers may be able to >> help/advise. I am researching my husband's family - Smiths - clearly the >> easiest name about which to find information ... particularly, I am >> trying to find the date of death of his gt gt grandfather. Please >> forgive the length of this message; I've not yet learnt the brevity of >> expression of experienced listers. >> >> My husband's gt gt grandfather was William Harrison Smith born c 1831 >> Birmingham to John Smith (born c1806 Radnorshire, Wales) and Sarah >> (former >> surname unknown, born c1806 Wednesbury). William married Sarah Rose on >> 16 June 1851 at the Parish Church (St Mary) Handsworth. On the mc they >> are recorded as being of full age. >> >> In the 1861 census William H Smith, zinc worker aged 30, is residing >> with >> his family at 69 High Street, Aston. The family members include: >> Sarah, wife, 38 born Birmingham (the age is incorrect, and in other >> censuses Sarah is recorded as being born in Stratford on Avon)) >> Henry, son, 9, born Birmingham >> Thomas, son, 4, born Birmingham >> Samuel, son, 2, born Birmingham (Samuel Frederick, born 12 January 1859. >> My husband's gt grandfather. William is recorded on the bc as zinc worker >> master) >> Also at the house were boarders James Wearham, 23, painter, Matilda >> Wearham, 24, his wife, and six month old Emily Wearham. >> William and Sarah also had a daughter, Eliza Harrison Smith, born 18 >> August 1853, who must have been away from home in 1861 (she appears in >> later census records). >> >> In the 1871 census, Thomas and Samuel are both at the Gem Street >> Industrial School. In the archives it says that Thomas was detained in >> March 1868 for stealing; father dead 3 years; mother Sarah No.1 Court 7 >> house 13 High St Birmingham, washerwoman. Samuel was detained in October >> 1869, charged with theft. "Father dead Sarah Smith the mother a widow of >> good character resides at 7 House 13 Court High St Birmingham". >> >> I have tried to find a record of William's death, working back from >> Thomas' detention and the mention that his father had been dead 3 years. >> I >> started out checking 1865 death records and then went to 1864 death >> records (fom the BMD site). I've also checked out the 1866 death records >> which include ages. I've been concentrating on deaths recorded in Aston, >> given the family's residential history, but have also included >> Birmingham. >> So far I've bought 16 death certificates, none of which seem to be the >> right one (I'll post the details in a separate email in case they are of >> use to anyone) and have just now ordered the final two on my list - >> William Smith June 1865 Aston 6d 145 and September 1865 Aston 6d 214. >> >> Can anyone direct me in my search? (I would also like to find out when >> William's wife Sarah died). >> >> Thanks and cheers >> >> Tam >> Brisbane, Oz >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Barbara I haven't come across an Abner Smith so far but one never knows ... Samuel emigrated to Australia around 1882, although I've yet to positively identify him in the passenger lists. He disappears off the radar for a long time. He married Mary Elizabeth Frost in St Peters Church in Broken Hill, a silver mining town (now city) in far western NSW in 1890; at the time he was the publican of the Bancannia pub (even more remote than Broken Hill) and she was a housekeeper (probably at the pub). He held the license at Bancannia from 1889-1896. There's nothing there now, but it used to be a coach stop. He died of TB (pthisis pulmonalis) on 28 October 1899 at the age of 40. His death certificate says that he was '17 years in New South Wales', and his occupation was silver miner. I've no idea how a lad from Birmingham finished up in a what is still a very remote area. I suspect he had a hard life, but I hope that he was happy with Mary and their four children at least for a time. They had a fifth child who died soon after birth, not long before Samuel died. Mary remarried in 1904 and had two more children before her second husband died in 1908. I think she died in 1937 but I am still following up that up. Are you chasing Smiths too? Cheers Tam ----- Original Message ----- From: "John White" <jwhite65@telus.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith dead end > Hello Tam, > Would you have an Abner Smith on one of the branches of your tree? > Do you know what happened to Samual? Did he emigrate? > Barbara > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >