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Hi All Well I spent my money and bought some findmypast credits Now I know that Joseph William is at his parents 28 Row Heath Rd he is down as William son 23 married 3 years his wife is not with him from freebmd married q1 1908 Kings Norton So where is his wife Adelaide Fisher nee H(e)adley ? Mike in sunny Droitwich Mike Fisher wrote: > I know your are not going to get a 1911 census lookup due to the cost > but it is possible to find households. > > Hi All, here goes. > > Joseph William Fisher (great-uncle Billy Fisher) married Adelaide > H(e)adley Q1 1908 Kings Norton. > They had 4 children - Edward, Neil Q4 1918, Joan Q4 1918, Stanley Q2 > 1924-31 Dec 1942 > > In the electoral rolls for Birmingham ,28 Rowheath Rd Cotteridge > 1935 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Ted Fisher > 1939 as above > 1945 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Joan Smalley, Donald > Smalley (Joan married Q1 1942 Birmingham Smalley) > !950 as above > > So Edward must have been 21 before the electoral roll for 1935 giving a > calculated birth date of 1908-1914 > > I can't find Joseph William and Adelaide together in the 1911 census. > > I can find this household in 1911 > > Joseph Fisher 54 > Able Fisher 27 > Rose Fisher 54 > William Fisher 23 > Annie Fisher 21 > > From my family tree > Joseph Cornelius FISHER (Joe)(20 Jul 1856-14 Feb 1926) > married 26 Nov 1882 in St Martin,Birmingham,WAR to > Roseanna RHODES(25 Nov 1856-02 May 1924) > and had 5 children: > Abel James FISHER (13 May 1883-14 Mar 1943) > Roseanna Agatha FISHER (06 Mar 1885-1965) > Joseph William FISHER (Billy)(26 May 1887) > Annie FISHER (08 Nov 1889-1940) > Edward FISHER (23 Jul 1892-01 May 1893). > > Can anyone one find a suitable birth for Edward. > and 1911 census for his parents > > Mike in Droitwich > family tree > http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com > > > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The Church of the Redeemer was rebuilt and is still in Hagley Road but further up. They have some most interesting historical records there on their premises. When I was searching for the Arnold Roots I spent a very interesting but unsuccessful time. I was looking in the wrong place. I should have been seeking the Acocks Green Congregational records that I have so far failed to locate!! Any suggestions would be very welcome. Ros from Adelaide, South Australia. -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Lambourne Sent: Monday, 31 August 2009 2:19 AM To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith Hi Candy Did I forget to include the link? Oops http://www.search.digital-ladywood.org.uk/engine/search/default_hndlr.asp The Church of the Redeemer and the Oratory (it is called the Birmingham Oratory, not the Church of the Oratory)are two different churches . The Church of the Redeemer was a Baptist church (demolished in the 1970s) and the Oratory is a Catholic Church. The distance between them was only about 150 yards, so you need to be sure which one you need. Aston Manor is on the other side of the City, but it is about 4 miles away from Edgbaston. People living in Aston Manor wouldn't normally use either of those churches as there are equivalent ones on their side of the City. If the marriage took place in Edgbaston, then one of the parties would be living in this area of the City Hope this helps Lesley

Actually The Church of the Redeemer is in Monument Road, just off Hagley Road by The Ivy Bush Telephone 0121 455 8172 Jon, from just off the Hagley Road, Birmingham -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosalind Gooden Sent: 02 September 2009 04:40 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith The Church of the Redeemer was rebuilt and is still in Hagley Road but further up. They have some most interesting historical records there on their premises. When I was searching for the Arnold Roots I spent a very interesting but unsuccessful time. I was looking in the wrong place. I should have been seeking the Acocks Green Congregational records that I have so far failed to locate!! Any suggestions would be very welcome. Ros from Adelaide, South Australia.

Hi there Keri Have looked at the Forthampton records, and have found the following, which I hope will be of help 29/9/1793 Phoebe d/o James and Phoebe Weale 22/11/1795 James s/o/James and Maria Wheel 20/4/1800 Benjamin s/o/James and Maria Wheel 5/12/1802 Diana d/o/James and Maria Wheel 17/11/1805 Emanuel s/o/James and Maria Wheel 1/5/1808 Comfort d/o/ James and Maria Wheel 13/7/1820 Burial James Wheel aged 61 22/3/1822 Marriage William Freeman/ Maria Wheel (presumably the widow) Burial of James would relate to the folowing birth record, also in Forthampton 29/7/1759 James s/o/ John Weale and Martha his wife I have checked surrounding parishes and Forthampton appears to be the only one with Wheel records. Hope this helps Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "keri rubery" <k_rubery@hotmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: [B'ham] Vaux - can anyone help???? > > > > Hi > I am trying to find information on James Vaux born about 1800. He says on > the 1851 census that he comes from Colshill, but I have been unable to > find a christening there for him. > > He married a lady called Margaret Wheel born about 1796, Forthampton, > Gloucestershire. She was married before she married james to a Mr Cox. I > have not been able to find their marriage as yet and I do not know his > first name. I do know that James and Margaret or Martha as she is known > had a son William in Birmingham 1824. > > Any help would be gratefully recieved. > > Thank you > keri > > _________________________________________________________________ > Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2333 - Release Date: 08/29/09 06:39:00

Kia Ora Jackie I think most of us are surprised to find how far and how often our ancestors travelled! Don't discount the family rumours there's usuallly an element of truth! I set up individual files for each individual with a piece of paper in the front with these headings Birth Baptism Marriage Death Burial Headstone Photos/Other Evidence As I gather the relevant info I mark it off! When someone asks "what do you want for Christmas?Birthday ? I look at my files and request a particular cert which I am missing! Otherwise I am constantly on the lookout for new info knowing excatly what I need! Other evidence includes Military Records, Court Appearances, Newspaper Clippings etc. Annie Linehan's death may have been noted in Brum newspapers if she was well known for example and you have a date which is very helpful. Frederick D may be on Immigration lists to the US or the 1890 census; if he had an accident it might well be reported - worth a look! Bessie Mina's baptism may have been at St James. When you have all the "evidence" you might be surprised at the level of accuracy of family memories even if some "porkies' have spread around the events over time! Good Luck Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <jackie005@talktalk.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham > Firstly many thanks to Lesley and Marlene, I've spent the last few hours > in the loft going through an ever increasing amount of family history > files. > > Lesley you're correct, it's definitely 18 Wood St Ladywood Birmingham 5th > May 1914 on Annie Louise's death cert. W. Griffin nephew is said to have > been present at death, he also gives the address as his own. > > Marlene, you've done so much, thank you so very much. > You have definitely picked the correct Pool family. . . > > I do have Annie Louise's marriage cert. Frederick Dowler is aged 24 yrs > and Annie 17 yrs. > They married in St James Church Ashton but it actually looks like Ashted > Warwick. > They were both living at 18 Prospect Row at the time they married. > Frederick is believed to have been Bessie Minna's father. Frederick's > father was John Dowler a gold beater. > the story goes that soon after they married Frederick went to America, > soon after arriving he was knocked down and killed by a tram but I'm more > inclined to think another red herring..there's so many used as cover up's > within this family. > > Bessie Minna was born 3rd Dec 1888 Annie Louise was living at 52 Monument > St. No father listed. > Bessie Minna died Donegal 1967. None of her Irish family have any details > of the Birmingham family but their well known Irish Showband 'The Sleive > Foy' I believe frequently played in Birmingham during the 1950's and > early 1960's. > > I do have the 1891 census and it's only Annie and Bessie Minna together > living in Hull, no sign of Frederick and I cannot find them anywhere on > the 1901 census so presume they were in Ireland with John > Linehan..consequently the baby Frederick you mention is unlikely to be > there's but worth investigating nevertheless. > > I will follow up your suggestion re birth of Minnie Pool West Ham. > > Many thanks Jackie. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham > > >> Kia Ora >> Alwys helps if you give the list the best info you have. >> ANNIE LOUISE POOL was born Sept Q 1871 Birmingham 6d/23 In 1881 she is >> listed as the dau of Benjamin & Elizabeth Pool Annie is a scholar, her >> mother a dressmaker and her father a bedstead packer. >> Bessie Minna POOL was born Dec Q 1888 Birmingham 6d/23 >> Annie Louise POOL married Frederick DOWLER June q 1889 Aston. >> There's a death of a Frederick DOWLER aged 73 Dec Q 1889 Aston. Another >> Frederick DOWLER death in 1902 Aston aged 53? - perhaps she married a >> much >> older fellow? >> Also the death of an infant Frederick Dec Q 1893 Aston so perhaps they >> had a >> son who died young? >> Annie L died 1914 as ANNIE LINEHAN. >> Might this be a birth for Minna? MINNIE POOL Dec 1898 West Ham 4a/222? >> If you don't have the certs above I'd suggest you purchase - not only >> will >> it give you more accurate information there maybe additional information! >> Have you got the 1901 census? >> Happy hunting >> Marlene >> New Zealand >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jackie" <jackie005@talktalk.net> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:08 AM >> Subject: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham >> >> >>>I had hoped the release of the 1911 Irish census would solve many >>>mystery's >>> for me but it thrown up more questions than answered. >>> >>> Daughter of Benjamin and Elizabeth Pool..................Annie Louise >>> Pool >>> 1871. Piano Forte Tutor (Birm) . >>> Daughter Bessie Minna 1887.(Birm) >>> Married Bessie's father Frederick Dowler 1888 (Birm) >>> >>> 1891 census Annie (Musician) and Minna back to name of Pool in Hull, >>> Frederick remains a mystery. >>> >>> 1911 Kilkenny Ireland, Annie Louise partnering John Linehan 1882 born >>> Cork >>> Ireland. >>> John Linehan was a Concert Promoter and Travelling Showman. >>> Found 2 more daughters with them Minna born 1897 England and Annie 1907 >>> Dublin. >>> The family were touring in their caravans with other Show people. >>> >>> Eldest daughter Bessie, her husband Tom Brennan, 2 children Lydia and >>> Mary >>> Bessie are not on census although they were definitely in Ireland >>> touring >>> with their Travelling Show. >>> >>> 1914 Annie died of meningitis, Wood St Ladymead, her nephew W. Griffin >>> was >>> present at birth. John Linehan listed as Travelling Showman on cert. >>> W.. Griffin son of Mary Pool, Annie's sister. >>> >>> No one in the family knew of Annie's other 2 daughters so wondering what >>> happened to them and John Linehan after Annie's death, can anyone throw >>> any >>> light on this family. >>> Regards Jackie >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kia Ora Alwys helps if you give the list the best info you have. ANNIE LOUISE POOL was born Sept Q 1871 Birmingham 6d/23 In 1881 she is listed as the dau of Benjamin & Elizabeth Pool Annie is a scholar, her mother a dressmaker and her father a bedstead packer. Bessie Minna POOL was born Dec Q 1888 Birmingham 6d/23 Annie Louise POOL married Frederick DOWLER June q 1889 Aston. There's a death of a Frederick DOWLER aged 73 Dec Q 1889 Aston. Another Frederick DOWLER death in 1902 Aston aged 53? - perhaps she married a much older fellow? Also the death of an infant Frederick Dec Q 1893 Aston so perhaps they had a son who died young? Annie L died 1914 as ANNIE LINEHAN. Might this be a birth for Minna? MINNIE POOL Dec 1898 West Ham 4a/222? If you don't have the certs above I'd suggest you purchase - not only will it give you more accurate information there maybe additional information! Have you got the 1901 census? Happy hunting Marlene New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <jackie005@talktalk.net> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham >I had hoped the release of the 1911 Irish census would solve many mystery's > for me but it thrown up more questions than answered. > > Daughter of Benjamin and Elizabeth Pool..................Annie Louise Pool > 1871. Piano Forte Tutor (Birm) . > Daughter Bessie Minna 1887.(Birm) > Married Bessie's father Frederick Dowler 1888 (Birm) > > 1891 census Annie (Musician) and Minna back to name of Pool in Hull, > Frederick remains a mystery. > > 1911 Kilkenny Ireland, Annie Louise partnering John Linehan 1882 born Cork > Ireland. > John Linehan was a Concert Promoter and Travelling Showman. > Found 2 more daughters with them Minna born 1897 England and Annie 1907 > Dublin. > The family were touring in their caravans with other Show people. > > Eldest daughter Bessie, her husband Tom Brennan, 2 children Lydia and Mary > Bessie are not on census although they were definitely in Ireland touring > with their Travelling Show. > > 1914 Annie died of meningitis, Wood St Ladymead, her nephew W. Griffin > was > present at birth. John Linehan listed as Travelling Showman on cert. > W.. Griffin son of Mary Pool, Annie's sister. > > No one in the family knew of Annie's other 2 daughters so wondering what > happened to them and John Linehan after Annie's death, can anyone throw > any > light on this family. > Regards Jackie > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 31 Aug, Jackie <jackie005@talktalk.net> wrote: > I do have Annie Louise's marriage cert. Frederick Dowler is aged 24 yrs > and Annie 17 yrs. They married in St James Church Ashton but it > actually looks like Ashted Warwick. Yes it's Ashted. -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Firstly many thanks to Lesley and Marlene, I've spent the last few hours in the loft going through an ever increasing amount of family history files. Lesley you're correct, it's definitely 18 Wood St Ladywood Birmingham 5th May 1914 on Annie Louise's death cert. W. Griffin nephew is said to have been present at death, he also gives the address as his own. Marlene, you've done so much, thank you so very much. You have definitely picked the correct Pool family. . . I do have Annie Louise's marriage cert. Frederick Dowler is aged 24 yrs and Annie 17 yrs. They married in St James Church Ashton but it actually looks like Ashted Warwick. They were both living at 18 Prospect Row at the time they married. Frederick is believed to have been Bessie Minna's father. Frederick's father was John Dowler a gold beater. the story goes that soon after they married Frederick went to America, soon after arriving he was knocked down and killed by a tram but I'm more inclined to think another red herring..there's so many used as cover up's within this family. Bessie Minna was born 3rd Dec 1888 Annie Louise was living at 52 Monument St. No father listed. Bessie Minna died Donegal 1967. None of her Irish family have any details of the Birmingham family but their well known Irish Showband 'The Sleive Foy' I believe frequently played in Birmingham during the 1950's and early 1960's. I do have the 1891 census and it's only Annie and Bessie Minna together living in Hull, no sign of Frederick and I cannot find them anywhere on the 1901 census so presume they were in Ireland with John Linehan..consequently the baby Frederick you mention is unlikely to be there's but worth investigating nevertheless. I will follow up your suggestion re birth of Minnie Pool West Ham. Many thanks Jackie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham > Kia Ora > Alwys helps if you give the list the best info you have. > ANNIE LOUISE POOL was born Sept Q 1871 Birmingham 6d/23 In 1881 she is > listed as the dau of Benjamin & Elizabeth Pool Annie is a scholar, her > mother a dressmaker and her father a bedstead packer. > Bessie Minna POOL was born Dec Q 1888 Birmingham 6d/23 > Annie Louise POOL married Frederick DOWLER June q 1889 Aston. > There's a death of a Frederick DOWLER aged 73 Dec Q 1889 Aston. Another > Frederick DOWLER death in 1902 Aston aged 53? - perhaps she married a much > older fellow? > Also the death of an infant Frederick Dec Q 1893 Aston so perhaps they had a > son who died young? > Annie L died 1914 as ANNIE LINEHAN. > Might this be a birth for Minna? MINNIE POOL Dec 1898 West Ham 4a/222? > If you don't have the certs above I'd suggest you purchase - not only will > it give you more accurate information there maybe additional information! > Have you got the 1901 census? > Happy hunting > Marlene > New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jackie" <jackie005@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:08 AM > Subject: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham > > >>I had hoped the release of the 1911 Irish census would solve many mystery's >> for me but it thrown up more questions than answered. >> >> Daughter of Benjamin and Elizabeth Pool..................Annie Louise Pool >> 1871. Piano Forte Tutor (Birm) . >> Daughter Bessie Minna 1887.(Birm) >> Married Bessie's father Frederick Dowler 1888 (Birm) >> >> 1891 census Annie (Musician) and Minna back to name of Pool in Hull, >> Frederick remains a mystery. >> >> 1911 Kilkenny Ireland, Annie Louise partnering John Linehan 1882 born Cork >> Ireland. >> John Linehan was a Concert Promoter and Travelling Showman. >> Found 2 more daughters with them Minna born 1897 England and Annie 1907 >> Dublin. >> The family were touring in their caravans with other Show people. >> >> Eldest daughter Bessie, her husband Tom Brennan, 2 children Lydia and Mary >> Bessie are not on census although they were definitely in Ireland touring >> with their Travelling Show. >> >> 1914 Annie died of meningitis, Wood St Ladymead, her nephew W. Griffin >> was >> present at birth. John Linehan listed as Travelling Showman on cert. >> W.. Griffin son of Mary Pool, Annie's sister. >> >> No one in the family knew of Annie's other 2 daughters so wondering what >> happened to them and John Linehan after Annie's death, can anyone throw >> any >> light on this family. >> Regards Jackie >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jackie Are you sure that you mean Ladymead? I know of no area of the City called Ladymead - but there is a Wood St, Ladywood. Might be wise to have another look at the certificate to see if it is in deed Ladywood. You can find more about Ladywood at this link: http://www.digital-ladywood.org.uk/Default.asp Also, have you had a look at http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/index.php ? You can read posts without registering. Registration is free and there are lots and lots of helpful people who use the forum and know a lot about the City. Good luck! Lesley -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: 31 August 2009 13:08 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Pool Family Ladymead Birmingham I had hoped the release of the 1911 Irish census would solve many mystery's for me but it thrown up more questions than answered. Daughter of Benjamin and Elizabeth Pool..................Annie Louise Pool 1871. Piano Forte Tutor (Birm) . Daughter Bessie Minna 1887.(Birm) Married Bessie's father Frederick Dowler 1888 (Birm) 1891 census Annie (Musician) and Minna back to name of Pool in Hull, Frederick remains a mystery. 1911 Kilkenny Ireland, Annie Louise partnering John Linehan 1882 born Cork Ireland. John Linehan was a Concert Promoter and Travelling Showman. Found 2 more daughters with them Minna born 1897 England and Annie 1907 Dublin. The family were touring in their caravans with other Show people. Eldest daughter Bessie, her husband Tom Brennan, 2 children Lydia and Mary Bessie are not on census although they were definitely in Ireland touring with their Travelling Show. 1914 Annie died of meningitis, Wood St Ladymead, her nephew W. Griffin was present at birth. John Linehan listed as Travelling Showman on cert. W.. Griffin son of Mary Pool, Annie's sister. No one in the family knew of Annie's other 2 daughters so wondering what happened to them and John Linehan after Annie's death, can anyone throw any light on this family. Regards Jackie _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had hoped the release of the 1911 Irish census would solve many mystery's for me but it thrown up more questions than answered. Daughter of Benjamin and Elizabeth Pool..................Annie Louise Pool 1871. Piano Forte Tutor (Birm) . Daughter Bessie Minna 1887.(Birm) Married Bessie's father Frederick Dowler 1888 (Birm) 1891 census Annie (Musician) and Minna back to name of Pool in Hull, Frederick remains a mystery. 1911 Kilkenny Ireland, Annie Louise partnering John Linehan 1882 born Cork Ireland. John Linehan was a Concert Promoter and Travelling Showman. Found 2 more daughters with them Minna born 1897 England and Annie 1907 Dublin. The family were touring in their caravans with other Show people. Eldest daughter Bessie, her husband Tom Brennan, 2 children Lydia and Mary Bessie are not on census although they were definitely in Ireland touring with their Travelling Show. 1914 Annie died of meningitis, Wood St Ladymead, her nephew W. Griffin was present at birth. John Linehan listed as Travelling Showman on cert. W.. Griffin son of Mary Pool, Annie's sister. No one in the family knew of Annie's other 2 daughters so wondering what happened to them and John Linehan after Annie's death, can anyone throw any light on this family. Regards Jackie

Hi Some of the parish records for Forthampton are available on the web via Genuki. Access Genuki, Gloucestershire, Paruishes, Forthampton and pick parish record option. I've had a look and there were definitely Wheels living in Forthampton, but I can't find a record for Margaret. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "keri rubery" <k_rubery@hotmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: [B'ham] Vaux - can anyone help???? > > > > Hi > I am trying to find information on James Vaux born about 1800. He says on > the 1851 census that he comes from Colshill, but I have been unable to > find a christening there for him. > > He married a lady called Margaret Wheel born about 1796, Forthampton, > Gloucestershire. She was married before she married james to a Mr Cox. I > have not been able to find their marriage as yet and I do not know his > first name. I do know that James and Margaret or Martha as she is known > had a son William in Birmingham 1824. > > Any help would be gratefully recieved. > > Thank you > keri > > _________________________________________________________________ > Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2333 - Release Date: 08/29/09 06:39:00

Kia Ora Any chance EDWARD was born a bit before the marriage and was registered as EDWARD HEADLEY?HADLEY? If so there are options on Free BMD which would require a birth cert to verify! If he was EDWARD HEADLEY?HADLEY? He may have been staying with grandparents or others in 1911? Good luck Marlene New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Lambourne" <lesley.lambourne@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] where is Joseph William FISHER in 1911 > > It's not the right one - 1911 census shows him in the following family: > > FISHER, JESSE HEAD MARRIED M 33 CHOCOLATE WORKER HARBORNE STAFFS > FISHER, ELIZABETH WIFE MARRIED 11 F 30 SELLY OAK WORS > FISHER, JESSE CHARLES SON M 10 SELLY OAK WORS > FISHER, GLADYS MAY DAUGHTER F 8 SELLY OAK WORS > FISHER, AMY ELIZABETH DAUGHTER F 5 SELLY OAK WORS > FISHER, ALBERT EDWARD SON M 8 MONTHS SELLY OAK WORS > FISHER, CHARLES FATHER MARRIED M 70 FARM LABOURER SUTTON COLDFIELD > WARWICK > > FISHER, MARY ANN MOTHER MARRIED 35 F 60 HARBORNE STAFFS > > There is one Joseph William Fisher in the Kings Norton District, but the > wife isn't called Adeleide, had children from a previous marriage and is > too > old to have further children. I have included this one below so you can > eliminate it. > > FISHER, JOSEPH WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 45 INSURANCE AGENT WEST BROMWICH > STAFFD > FISHER, ELIZABETH WIFE MARRIED 3 F 53 HOUSEWIFE WOLVERHAMPTON STAFFD > HOMESHAW, JAMES H STEPSON SINGLE M 20 CORE MAKER IRON OLDBURY STAFFD > HOMESHAW, NELLIE STEPDAUGHTER SINGLE F 18 PEN MANUFACTORY OLDBURY STAFFD > HOMESHAW, JOSEPH JAMES STEPSON SINGLE M 17 STEEL TUBE DRAWER OLDBURY > STAFFD > > HOMESHAW, DAISY STEPDAUGHTER SINGLE F 14 OLDBURY STAFFD > SMITH, ALICE BOARDER SINGLE F 21 ENAMELLER SMETHWICK STAFFD > ONIONS, LESLIE BOARDER M 2 SMETHWICK STAFFD > > There are a lot of just plain William Fisher in Warwickshire, but no > Adeleide. Could Adeleide have been visting a relative? > > Sorry not to be of more help > > Lesley > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Fisher > Sent: 29 August 2009 16:57 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B'ham] where is Joseph William FISHER in 1911 > > Good Idea > > can you find him in the 1911 census index with Joseph William and > Adelaide Fisher ? > > Mike > > Lesley Lambourne wrote: >> How about the following - could the E be for Edward?? >> >> Births Sep 1910 >> ---------------------- >> >> FISHER Albert E King's N. 6c 365 >> >> >> >> Lesley Lambourne >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Fisher >> Sent: 29 August 2009 13:28 >> To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [B'ham] where is Joseph William FISHER in 1911 >> >> I know your are not going to get a 1911 census lookup due to the cost >> but it is possible to find households. >> >> Hi All, here goes. >> >> Joseph William Fisher (great-uncle Billy Fisher) married Adelaide >> H(e)adley Q1 1908 Kings Norton. >> They had 4 children - Edward, Neil Q4 1918, Joan Q4 1918, Stanley Q2 >> 1924-31 Dec 1942 >> >> In the electoral rolls for Birmingham ,28 Rowheath Rd Cotteridge >> 1935 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Ted Fisher >> 1939 as above >> 1945 Joseph William Fisher, Adelaide Fisher, Joan Smalley, Donald >> Smalley (Joan married Q1 1942 Birmingham Smalley) >> !950 as above >> >> So Edward must have been 21 before the electoral roll for 1935 giving a >> calculated birth date of 1908-1914 >> >> I can't find Joseph William and Adelaide together in the 1911 census. >> >> I can find this household in 1911 >> >> Joseph Fisher 54 >> Able Fisher 27 >> Rose Fisher 54 >> William Fisher 23 >> Annie Fisher 21 >> >> From my family tree >> Joseph Cornelius FISHER (Joe)(20 Jul 1856-14 Feb 1926) >> married 26 Nov 1882 in St Martin,Birmingham,WAR to >> Roseanna RHODES(25 Nov 1856-02 May 1924) >> and had 5 children: >> Abel James FISHER (13 May 1883-14 Mar 1943) >> Roseanna Agatha FISHER (06 Mar 1885-1965) >> Joseph William FISHER (Billy)(26 May 1887) >> Annie FISHER (08 Nov 1889-1940) >> Edward FISHER (23 Jul 1892-01 May 1893). >> >> Can anyone one find a suitable birth for Edward. >> and 1911 census for his parents >> >> Mike in Droitwich >> family tree >> http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

oratory church and st marys chapel, north side hagley rd backing onto plough and harrow rd built c1852 christ church hagley rd west built c1840 quinton wesleyan chapel hagley rd west built c1878 demilished 1967 Brian

Hi Candy Did I forget to include the link? Oops http://www.search.digital-ladywood.org.uk/engine/search/default_hndlr.asp The Church of the Redeemer and the Oratory (it is called the Birmingham Oratory, not the Church of the Oratory)are two different churches . The Church of the Redeemer was a Baptist church (demolished in the 1970s) and the Oratory is a Catholic Church. The distance between them was only about 150 yards, so you need to be sure which one you need. Aston Manor is on the other side of the City, but it is about 4 miles away from Edgbaston. People living in Aston Manor wouldn't normally use either of those churches as there are equivalent ones on their side of the City. If the marriage took place in Edgbaston, then one of the parties would be living in this area of the City Hope this helps Lesley -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Candy Thoutsis Sent: 30 August 2009 17:11 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith Hi Lesley, I looked for the church on the link you gave me and along with Chris' information I see that it was The Church of the Oratory. I noticed you lve in Edgbaston Birmingham... My Smiths probably lived in Edgbaston Birmingham if the church was there . How far away would that be from Aston Manor? Thank you so much for answering my email. Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Lambourne" <lesley.lambourne@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Smith > Is it Church of the Redeemer? > > Have a look at this link for some pictures and more information > > Lesley Lambourne, Edgbaston, Birmingham > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Candy > Thoutsis > Sent: 30 August 2009 14:33 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B'ham] Smith > > > Hi Listers, > > Would anyone have any connection to the family below? > > Philip Smith b. 1908 married Nellie LATHAM Smith b. 1912. > > Philip's father was Joseph Ambrose Smith > Nellie's stepfather was Edward Smith > > I have a marriage certificate but I cannot read the writing on the cert > that > > well....I think it says ...The Church of the =====Hagley Road. Edgbaton??? > > Any help would be most appreciated. > > Thank you, > Candy > Cape Cod Massachusetts USA > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I am trying to find information on James Vaux born about 1800. He says on the 1851 census that he comes from Colshill, but I have been unable to find a christening there for him. He married a lady called Margaret Wheel born about 1796, Forthampton, Gloucestershire. She was married before she married james to a Mr Cox. I have not been able to find their marriage as yet and I do not know his first name. I do know that James and Margaret or Martha as she is known had a son William in Birmingham 1824. Any help would be gratefully recieved. Thank you keri _________________________________________________________________ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Is it Church of the Redeemer? Have a look at this link for some pictures and more information Lesley Lambourne, Edgbaston, Birmingham -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Candy Thoutsis Sent: 30 August 2009 14:33 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Smith Hi Listers, Would anyone have any connection to the family below? Philip Smith b. 1908 married Nellie LATHAM Smith b. 1912. Philip's father was Joseph Ambrose Smith Nellie's stepfather was Edward Smith I have a marriage certificate but I cannot read the writing on the cert that well....I think it says ...The Church of the =====Hagley Road. Edgbaton??? Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you, Candy Cape Cod Massachusetts USA _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 30 Aug, Candy Thoutsis <candy713@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi Listers, > Would anyone have any connection to the family below? > Philip Smith b. 1908 married Nellie LATHAM Smith b. 1912. > Philip's father was Joseph Ambrose Smith > Nellie's stepfather was Edward Smith > I have a marriage certificate but I cannot read the writing on the cert > that well....I think it says ...The Church of the =====Hagley Road. > Edgbaton??? Oratory. It's an RC church. > Any help would be most appreciated. > Thank you, > Candy > Cape Cod Massachusetts USA > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Hi Brian, Thanks for all this information. Makes everything come alive for me. Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Apps" <apps.j@sky.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: [B'ham] smith > oratory church and st marys chapel, north side hagley rd backing onto > plough > and harrow rd built c1852 > christ church hagley rd west built c1840 > quinton wesleyan chapel hagley rd west built c1878 demilished 1967 > Brian > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Research in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 30/08/2009 17:11:30 GMT Daylight Time, candy713@comcast.net writes: .....Edgbaston Birmingham... My Smiths probably lived in Edgbaston Birmingham if the church was there . How far away would that be from Aston Manor? Hi Have a look at this site as it gives a good story of the oratory church and the families concerned with it. It was also the family church of J.R.R. Tolkein and it tells of that. The Church was at Edgbaston which like Aston is part of Birmingham City. It tells you the address of the church which is Hagley Road. _http://www.theoratory.org.uk/TheOratory/Tolkien/tabid/76/Default.aspx_ (http://www.theoratory.org.uk/TheOratory/Tolkien/tabid/76/Default.aspx) There is also a picture of the church on Google Maps. _http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl&q=Edgbaston%2C%20Birmingham_ (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl&q=Edgbaston,%20Birmingham) You can also find pictures and maps on Google Maps which will give you idea of the area. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html