Indeed - as far as I know, in the late 18th and early 19th century, a single gentleman could live quite comfortably for a year on £100. Joss -----Original Message----- From: Michele Le Resche [mailto:michele.leresche@btinternet.com] Sent: 10 November 2006 09:49 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] money conversion from 1890 Wow!! So a hundred years previous to that it would have been worth more. In 1796 my great X4 uncle married by license costing him £500. So even based on the 1890 figures and taking just the retail price index, that was £36,655.10p. Michele On 10 Nov 2006, at 00:14, Keith Houghton wrote: Hi Ken, According to measuringworth.com, which has taken over the EHnet "How Much Is that?" website, and uses five different ways of making the calculation, In 2005, £10 0s 0d from 1890 was worth: £733.11 using the retail price index £953.36 using the GDP deflator £4,396.69 using average earnings £5,286.14 using per capita GDP £8,491.34 using the GDP Hope this helps, Keith Houghton North Richmond, Sydney, Oz. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Poole [mailto:kpoole01@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:22 AM To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] money conversion from 1890 Hello all knowing listers What would 10 pounds be worth today in England. Would that sum be big sum for the service class of people. Thanks Ken Kenton Poole Poole's Creative Concepts 34 Dungan Street Canandaigua, NY 14424 585 486 1248 fax 585 905 0160 p Kpoole01@rochester.rr.com _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

Wow!! So a hundred years previous to that it would have been worth more. In 1796 my great X4 uncle married by license costing him £500. So even based on the 1890 figures and taking just the retail price index, that was £36,655.10p. Michele On 10 Nov 2006, at 00:14, Keith Houghton wrote: Hi Ken, According to measuringworth.com, which has taken over the EHnet "How Much Is that?" website, and uses five different ways of making the calculation, In 2005, £10 0s 0d from 1890 was worth: £733.11 using the retail price index £953.36 using the GDP deflator £4,396.69 using average earnings £5,286.14 using per capita GDP £8,491.34 using the GDP Hope this helps, Keith Houghton North Richmond, Sydney, Oz. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Poole [mailto:kpoole01@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:22 AM To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] money conversion from 1890 Hello all knowing listers What would 10 pounds be worth today in England. Would that sum be big sum for the service class of people. Thanks Ken Kenton Poole Poole's Creative Concepts 34 Dungan Street Canandaigua, NY 14424 585 486 1248 fax 585 905 0160 p Kpoole01@rochester.rr.com _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John/list I have just searched for that topic on net , and it appears that "domestic servants " were the second largest group of employment, in those times, ( I think Ag lab,was first), there are loads of sites to look at with a Google search on "victorian domestic servants" ., lots of uni stuff and others. amazon .co.uk , has copies of books titled as above from 18 pence used . gary hodge John S Sermon wrote: > I would suggest that anyone really interested in Victorian daily life > should read 'Larkrise to Candleford' by Flora Thompson, it is a > wonderful description of everyday life in a village in North > Oxfordshire > > Larkrise is Juniper Hill near Brackley > > The book is available as a paperback at a reasonable price >

Ken, try http://www.hrmguide.co.uk/history/victorian-domestic-servant.htm Anne On 9 Nov 2006, at 21:23, Ken Poole wrote: > Does anyone have a good bio of what kind of life a domestic servant > lead at the end of the 19th century? > Thanks > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would suggest that anyone really interested in Victorian daily life should read 'Larkrise to Candleford' by Flora Thompson, it is a wonderful description of everyday life in a village in North Oxfordshire Larkrise is Juniper Hill near Brackley The book is available as a paperback at a reasonable price -- John Sermon NDD FCSD general consultant designer 24 Monks Walk, EVESHAM, Worcestershire WR11 4SL (0)1386 49 967 07702 440 891 design@johnsermon.demon.co.uk www.johnsermon.demon.co.uk

There is also a description of a complete household, with approximate wages at http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/servantwages.htm Anne On 9 Nov 2006, at 21:23, Ken Poole wrote: > Does anyone have a good bio of what kind of life a domestic servant > lead at the end of the 19th century? > Thanks > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I think it was the only option for a lot of girls. There used to be a really good site Called Victorian Lace which had descriptions of the lives of domestic servants but it closed last year. If anyone knows how to find archives of sites that have closed, perhaps they could find it http://www.geocities.com/victorianlace26/DomesticServants.html Anne On 10 Nov 2006, at 08:01, Pauline Roberts wrote: > Hi Ken > > A pretty hard one I suspect. I understand that quite a lot of girls > only > went into service as a last resort. > > Pauline > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Poole" <kpoole01@rochester.rr.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:23 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Domestic Servants > > > Does anyone have a good bio of what kind of life a domestic servant > lead at > the end of the 19th century? > Thanks > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Just had this from Birmingham RO re. Robert: >> The entry in December Quarter 1862 was checked but as it is not the one >> required, it was not detailed (the occupation differed, the age differed by >> 5 years and no mention is made of Ireland). > So it's not our man. I'm looking for the birth of Robert's son, Joseph Rice, now. The census says he was born about 1851-2. I could not find him on freebmd but in the GRO index a Joseph Rice appears in 1851 April-June quarter. Perhaps freebmd has not transcribed this page yet? It looks like the information is "Birmingham XVI 66 or 64". Please can someone else look at it, and tell me what you read it as, as it's quite a bad image. Thanks, Stephen.

Hi Ken A pretty hard one I suspect. I understand that quite a lot of girls only went into service as a last resort. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Poole" <kpoole01@rochester.rr.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: [B'ham] Domestic Servants Does anyone have a good bio of what kind of life a domestic servant lead at the end of the 19th century? Thanks Ken Kenton Poole Poole's Creative Concepts 34 Dungan Street Canandaigua, NY 14424 585 486 1248 fax 585 905 0160 p Kpoole01@rochester.rr.com

Is it possible that you have it backwards and the girls were paid FOR their babies? Otherwise it just makes no sense. It isn't that different from today where the living, & medical expenses are paid and then she receives a fee once she signs the papers. You would be surprised what SOME infertile couples are willing to do or PAY to get a baby. Isn't it possible that back in the day a similar thing was happening? Were these babies sent to wealthier homes? This is just an observation, not based on any fact. Cheers, Karen

So far I have found the following. 1881 census 29 1/2 Whittal Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire William M. PENNER Head M Male 40 Lyon, France Rifle Tester (Gun) Caroline PENNER Wife M Female 34 ... Island (BS) (Corfu, Ionian Islands, Greece) William PENNER Son U Male 22 Birmm, Warwick, England Metal Polisher Albert F. PENNER Son U Male 19 Birmm, Warwick, England Gun Action Filer Frank H. PENNER Son Male 2 Birmm, Warwick, England Ann L. PENNER Daur Female 4 m Birmm, Warwick, England Kate ROBERTS Daur M Female 25 Birmm, Warwick, England Silver Chain Maker John ROBERTS G Son Male 7 Birmm, Warwick, England Scholar 1871 census St. Peter, District 9, Birmingham Wm Penner, widower, 32, gun finisher, born Paris Elizabeth, widow, 60, washwoman, born Birmingham, mother-in-law Kate, dau., 14 Wm, son, 12 Eva, dau. 10 Albert, son 7 Francis, son 26?, idiot from Birmingham oct-nov-dec 1877 Caroline Tolley x William Pinner 1891 District 50, St. George, Birmingham William Pinner, 50, gun finisher , born Lyons, France Caroline, wife, 44, born Corfu Henry, 12 Annie, 10 Holland, 8 Wilfrid, 6 Sylvia, 2 months In 1891 Kate Pinner is no longer listed with her father. He must have been married twice, once to Kate's mother and secondly to Caroline. I have a Kate Pinner who marries John Roberts in the September quarter 1873 in Birmingham. They apparently have a son John born in December 1873. John senior must have died sometime between 1873 and 1881 because Kate is listed as widow in 1881. Does anyone know anything about this family? Did Kate remarry? What happened to son John? Thanks in advance. Tony

Hi Ken Try this website for conversion rates over time: http://www.safalra.com/other/cumulative-uk-inflation/ Best wishes Carole >From: "Ken Poole" <kpoole01@rochester.rr.com> >Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [B'ham] money conversion from 1890 >Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:22:00 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lists9.rootsweb.com ([66.43.27.45]) by >bay0-mc1-f3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Thu, 9 >Nov 2006 13:23:08 -0800 >Received: from lists9.rootsweb.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by >lists9.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kA9LMDQT031871;Thu, 9 Nov >2006 14:22:28 -0700 >Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34])by >lists9.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kA9LMBTJ031868for ><ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@lists9.rootsweb.com>;Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:22:11 -0700 >Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com >[24.24.2.57])by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id >kA9LM30V023553for <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 >14:22:07 -0700 >Received: from kpoole (cpe-24-169-138-15.rochester.res.rr.com >[24.169.138.15])by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP >idkA9LM1T4004446 for <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com>;Thu, 9 Nov 2006 >16:22:01 -0500 (EST) >X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt2VRPMkMm/m6U4Z8LmdJbdZVWCGLW5gqcQ= >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 >X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine >X-Spam-Score: 1.947 (*) BAYES_50,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS,HTML_80_90,HTML_MESSAGE >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 192.168.65.34 >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7 >X-BeenThere: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 >Precedence: list >List-Id: <eng-warks-birmingham.rootsweb.com> >X-Loop: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com >List-Unsubscribe: ><http://lists9.rootsweb.com/mailman/listinfo/eng-warks-birmingham>,<mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: ><http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-warks-birmingham> >List-Post: <mailto:eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >List-Help: <mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-request@rootsweb.com?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: ><http://lists9.rootsweb.com/mailman/listinfo/eng-warks-birmingham>,<mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe> >Errors-To: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >Return-Path: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 21:23:08.0808 (UTC) >FILETIME=[40B31080:01C70445] > >Hello all knowing listers >What would 10 pounds be worth today in England. >Would that sum be big sum for the service class of people. > >Thanks > >Ken > > > > >Kenton Poole >Poole's Creative Concepts >34 Dungan Street >Canandaigua, NY 14424 >585 486 1248 fax >585 905 0160 p >Kpoole01@rochester.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb

Try this Ken http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ukcompare/ Dave in Inskip. Ken Poole <kpoole01@rochester.rr.com> wrote: Hello all knowing listers What would 10 pounds be worth today in England. Would that sum be big sum for the service class of people. Thanks Ken Kenton Poole Poole's Creative Concepts 34 Dungan Street Canandaigua, NY 14424 585 486 1248 fax 585 905 0160 p Kpoole01@rochester.rr.com _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sheffield Records Online http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk Online 1841,1861 Census search.directories,probate,message forum and more. If you are chasing your ancestors round Sheffield..... this is the place to be at!! --------------------------------- The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider.

Hello, Not to beat a subject but in an effort to understand the socialogicl implications of Baby Farmers I offer the the following. In 1890 Baby Farmers charged about 10 pounds to take a baby. Using the currency converter that David Stokes supplied (below) 10 pounds in 1890 converts to 4400 hundred pounds in 2005 or close to $ 8000 USA, that is what baby farmers charged, that seems to me a staggering amount of money. How could a domestic servant come up with that kind of money or for that manner a tradesperson. Cheers Ken http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ukcompare/

Thanks Wendy I am familiar with the site. Unfortunately I am going forward from when my great grandparents left B'ham in 1878. Believe me, going backwards to the 1700s was a breeze in comparison with trying to find the various families after 1901! Way Down Under we had no idea at all of the families left behind. Regards Marlene in New Zealand Researching WARD, Stephens, Byrne, Edgeworth around Small Heath 1870s- 1901+ FAIRY around St Thomas & Handsworth 1890s + ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Handsworth,St.Mary's parish records- DAVID KENNY attn. please. > Would this site help. http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/mi/mi_indx.html > > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:08 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Handsworth,St.Mary's parish records- DAVID KENNY > attn. > please. > > >> Hi David >> Thanks! Too early for my lot unfortunately but it was worth a try! >> Many thanks again. >> Marlene >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Kenny" <dakenny@ozemail.com.au> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Handsworth, St.Mary's parish records- DAVID KENNY >> attn. >> please. >> >> >>> G'day Marlene, >>> >>> Sorry my fiche for Baptism are from 1558 - 1830...Marriages 1558 - 1812 >>> and Burial 1558 - 1900 >>> >>> Happy to lookup within those date ranges... >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> Marlene Shipman wrote: >>> >>>>Kia Ora David >>>>Could you please tell me what time frame your fiche cover? I am >>>>searching >>>>for 4 baptisms from the same WEBB family viz >>>>Clarence birth reg'd June Qtr 1898, >>>>Ida Violet Dec Qtr 1900, >>>>John Mar Qtr 1902, >>>>Marguerite Sep Qtr 1905. >>>>All the children were given the middle name of Fairy. All registrations >>>>in >>>>Handsworth. >>>>regards >>>>Marlene >>>>Across the Ditch! >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "David Kenny" <dakenny@ozemail.com.au> >>>>To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:10 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [B'ham] Handsworth, St.Mary's parish records >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>John, >>>>> >>>>>I looked up the St Mary Handsworth Fiche, which I have and could only >>>>>she the following Nortons... >>>>> >>>>>**William Norton & Sarah Hodgetts** >>>>> >>>>>**m. 21 Nov 1808** >>>>> >>>>>**Children:** >>>>>**Elizabeth** >>>>>**b. 5 November 1809 >>>>>d. 12 July 1812** >>>>> >>>>>**Henry >>>>>b. 7 July 1811** >>>>> >>>>>**George >>>>>b. 20 February 1813** >>>>> >>>>>**Harriett >>>>>b. 15 January 1815** >>>>> >>>>>**William >>>>>b. 5 January 1817 >>>>>** >>>>>**Charles >>>>>b. 4 March 1821** >>>>> >>>>>**David >>>>>b. 15 June 1823 >>>>>d. 4 September 1878** >>>>> >>>>>**Ann >>>>>b. 9 November 1828** >>>>> >>>>>**Joseph >>>>>b. 9 November 1828** >>>>> >>>>>**These are other Entries found at St. Mary's ** >>>>> >>>>>**Joan Norton >>>>>d. 23 April 1563** >>>>> >>>>>**Ann wife of David Norton** >>>>> >>>>>**d. 10 December 1891** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>**Elsie Mary Norton** >>>>> >>>>>**d. 13 February 1896** >>>>> >>>>>**Note her parents are Arthur James & Emma Norton** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Regards >>>>> >>>>>David >>>>>Ourimbah, NSW, Australia. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>j norton wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi All, >>>>>> If anyone is going to the Birmingham Central Library I would >>>>>>appreciate it very much if they would be kind enough to carry out a >>>>>>lookup for me.I'm trying to find the parents of James Norton born 1803 >>>>>>or >>>>>>any of his brothers or sisters.I,m not even sure he was born there.I >>>>>>do >>>>>>know that he was married there to a Martha Cashmore on 25 Dec.1824 >>>>>> Thank you so very much. >>>>>> John from Alberta >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--------------------------------- >>>>>>The best gets better. See why everyone is raving about the All-new >>>>>>Yahoo! >>>>>>Mail. >>>>>>_____________________________________________ >>>>>>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>>>>>http://www.bham.de/ >>>>>> >>>>>>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>>>>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_____________________________________________ >>>>>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>>>>http://www.bham.de/ >>>>> >>>>>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>>>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>_____________________________________________ >>>>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>>>http://www.bham.de/ >>>> >>>>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mike Thank you for the very comprehensive information. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fisher" <mjflists@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Handsworth,St.Mary's parish records- DAVID KENNY attn. please. > Hi All > > The Freedom of Information Act 2000 holds out the prospect that, in > future, > no English or Welsh decennial population censuses will be closed to public > inspection for 100 years. But that prospect appears to be under serious > threat from a most unlikely source - the National Archives. > The National Archives seems to be attempting to flout the FoI Act by > failing > to make proper and timely arrangements for.......................

Hi David Thanks! Too early for my lot unfortunately but it was worth a try! Many thanks again. Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kenny" <dakenny@ozemail.com.au> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Handsworth, St.Mary's parish records- DAVID KENNY attn. please. > G'day Marlene, > > Sorry my fiche for Baptism are from 1558 - 1830...Marriages 1558 - 1812 > and Burial 1558 - 1900 > > Happy to lookup within those date ranges... > > Regards > > David > > > Marlene Shipman wrote: > >>Kia Ora David >>Could you please tell me what time frame your fiche cover? I am searching >>for 4 baptisms from the same WEBB family viz >>Clarence birth reg'd June Qtr 1898, >>Ida Violet Dec Qtr 1900, >>John Mar Qtr 1902, >>Marguerite Sep Qtr 1905. >>All the children were given the middle name of Fairy. All registrations in >>Handsworth. >>regards >>Marlene >>Across the Ditch! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "David Kenny" <dakenny@ozemail.com.au> >>To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:10 PM >>Subject: Re: [B'ham] Handsworth, St.Mary's parish records >> >> >> >> >>>John, >>> >>>I looked up the St Mary Handsworth Fiche, which I have and could only >>>she the following Nortons... >>> >>>**William Norton & Sarah Hodgetts** >>> >>>**m. 21 Nov 1808** >>> >>>**Children:** >>>**Elizabeth** >>>**b. 5 November 1809 >>>d. 12 July 1812** >>> >>>**Henry >>>b. 7 July 1811** >>> >>>**George >>>b. 20 February 1813** >>> >>>**Harriett >>>b. 15 January 1815** >>> >>>**William >>>b. 5 January 1817 >>>** >>>**Charles >>>b. 4 March 1821** >>> >>>**David >>>b. 15 June 1823 >>>d. 4 September 1878** >>> >>>**Ann >>>b. 9 November 1828** >>> >>>**Joseph >>>b. 9 November 1828** >>> >>>**These are other Entries found at St. Mary's ** >>> >>>**Joan Norton >>>d. 23 April 1563** >>> >>>**Ann wife of David Norton** >>> >>>**d. 10 December 1891** >>> >>> >>> >>>**Elsie Mary Norton** >>> >>>**d. 13 February 1896** >>> >>>**Note her parents are Arthur James & Emma Norton** >>> >>> >>>Regards >>> >>>David >>>Ourimbah, NSW, Australia. >>> >>> >>>j norton wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi All, >>>> If anyone is going to the Birmingham Central Library I would >>>>appreciate it very much if they would be kind enough to carry out a >>>>lookup for me.I'm trying to find the parents of James Norton born 1803 >>>>or >>>>any of his brothers or sisters.I,m not even sure he was born there.I do >>>>know that he was married there to a Martha Cashmore on 25 Dec.1824 >>>> Thank you so very much. >>>> John from Alberta >>>> >>>> >>>>--------------------------------- >>>>The best gets better. See why everyone is raving about the All-new >>>>Yahoo! >>>>Mail. >>>>_____________________________________________ >>>>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>>>http://www.bham.de/ >>>> >>>>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_____________________________________________ >>>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>>http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >>_____________________________________________ >>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>http://www.bham.de/ >> >>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have a good bio of what kind of life a domestic servant lead at the end of the 19th century? Thanks Ken Kenton Poole Poole's Creative Concepts 34 Dungan Street Canandaigua, NY 14424 585 486 1248 fax 585 905 0160 p Kpoole01@rochester.rr.com

Hello all knowing listers What would 10 pounds be worth today in England. Would that sum be big sum for the service class of people. Thanks Ken Kenton Poole Poole's Creative Concepts 34 Dungan Street Canandaigua, NY 14424 585 486 1248 fax 585 905 0160 p Kpoole01@rochester.rr.com

Hi All The Freedom of Information Act 2000 holds out the prospect that, in future, no English or Welsh decennial population censuses will be closed to public inspection for 100 years. But that prospect appears to be under serious threat from a most unlikely source - the National Archives. The National Archives seems to be attempting to flout the FoI Act by failing to make proper and timely arrangements for 1. The general release of the 1911 Census for England and Wales before the records are 100 years old 2. The special release of short extracts from the 1911 Census, to individual applicants, before the census is on general release. (This type of access has been available to family historians for more than 30 years but has now been discontinued by the National Archives.) Fortunately, although the media has hardly mentioned this problem, many MPs are fully aware of it. Since, March 2004, three House of Commons petitions (known as Early Day Motions 871, 1198 and 2330) about the release of the 1911 Census, have attracted over 360 signatures from MPs. But several large family history organizations appear to have remained relatively disinterested in the problem. It is widely acknowledged that the major representatives of family historians in the UK are the Society of Genealogists (SoG), the Federation of Family History Societies (FFHS), the Association of Genealogists and Researchers in Archives (AGRA) and the Guild of One-Name Studies (GOONS). However, those organizations do not appear to have spoken out for the hundreds of family historians who have become victims of the National Archives' refusal to grant them Freedom of Information Act access to extracts from the 1911 Census. We have not seen any evidence that those organizations have written to the recently appointed chief executive of the National Archives, Natalie Ceeney, formally urging her to arrange for (a) the general release the Online 1911 Census before 2012 and/or (b) the special release of extracts from the census prior to the general release of the census online. In addition, the National Archives has informed us that it does not hold any information regarding communications, in the period January 2005 to August 2006, between itself and family history/genealogical organizations, about the release of the 1911 Decennial Census for England and Wales before 2012. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Handsworth,St.Mary's parish records- DAVID KENNY attn. please. > Hi Marlene > I know exactly what you mean if only we could have the 1911 census. Its > just > certificates or electoral rolls. I live in the UK but still struggle to > find > people after 1901. > > Good luck with your search. > > Wendy Partridge Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com