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    1. Re: [B'ham] General Hospital Birmingham
    2. Kenneth William Bibb
    3. to whom it may concern, cerebellum in the dictionary states; "the part of the brain at the back of the scull, which co-ordinates muscular activity" Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "RaKay Dance" <rakaydance@hotmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] General Hospital Birmingham > "itis" is typically an infection (at least here in the US). Could it > have > been some kind of menengitis or sinusitis? Rakay Dance > > >>From: "Fay Lewis" <fay.lewis@virgin.net> >>Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >>To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: [B'ham] General Hospital Birmingham >>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:52:53 -0000 >> >>Hi members, I appreciate this message is not Birmingham Specific so if I >>am >>wrong in posting here then I do apologise. >> >>I have a copy of my g g g granfathers death certificate which states he >>died in General Birmingham Hospital in 1839 aged 28 of an abscess to the >>brain. I visited Birmingham Central Library today to look at the hospital >>records to find when he had been admitted and to read the hospital notes. >> >>Unfortunately the details were very faint and I couldn't decipher the word >>that had been written when he was first admitted 13 days before he died. >>In brackets was written "abscess to the cerebellum" which was added after >>he died. >> >>I am sure I have come accross a web site which lists diseases/terms used >>in >>that era of causes of death - has anyone else come accross that site? >> >>The word that was written when he was first admitted looked like >>"Th...tis? >>or possibly could have been a little longer with another couple of >>letters. >> I think the "tis" stands for inflammation. >> >>Regards >> >>Fay >> >>_____________________________________________ >>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>http://www.bham.de/ >> >>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    11/13/2006 04:47:02
    1. Re: [B'ham] Rice: Robert b. 1828 Ireland m. Birmingham 1850d.1860-1?
    2. Marlene Shipman
    3. DON"T forget that if you use the B'ham office you don't need the ref numbers as they use a different system, according to the emails I've received.. Cheers Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <genukilists@tinfoil.cotse.net> To: "Anne Peat" <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Rice: Robert b. 1828 Ireland m. Birmingham 1850d.1860-1? >> Rice Joseph James Birmingham XVI 647 > > I forgot to say, I think it is 447 though. > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/13/2006 04:41:39
    1. Re: [B'ham] ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM Digest, Vol 1, Issue 336
    2. Re: Genealogy Garden Rosemary is a plant that is often used for remembrance - apart from being wonderfully aromatic and hardy, it's also useful for cooking. I, too, planted a shrub to commemorate my father's death on what would have been his 80th birthday. It's called "Golden Spirit", which I think is very apt. Five years on, it has survived being moved from London to West Sussex and flourishes each year. Jenny

    11/13/2006 04:15:47
    1. Re: [B'ham] SMAWLEY
    2. J KING
    3. Forgot to say.... Hi I have a Charles Smawley who wed a Mary Blencowe - again Birmingham Jilly RaKay Dance <rakaydance@hotmail.com> wrote: I finally found another link to my mystery family. I found my Elizabeth Clarissa BLINKO's sister Mary Ann married a David SMAWLEY. This was registered in the West Bromwich district. Is this close to Aston? Also in the 1851 Census they have a Sophia PAYNE who is a nurse child 1 year of age, and a Emma PAYNE who is a servant/nurse 13 years old. Can anyone explain who these children might be? It doesn't appear that David and Mary Ann had children--at least any that where with them at this time. Any suggestions?? Rakay DANCE _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/13/2006 03:00:25
    1. Re: [B'ham] SMAWLEY
    2. J KING
    3. Hello, I can tell you he married Mary Ann Berry and he is a rellie of mine. Smalleys round Birmingham ( who seemed to migrate from Leicestershire are variously spelt Smalley/Smawley...and probably started in Lancashire where there are of that name) From what I can gather they did not have children but did have the Paynes around at various census. David is my second Gt Grand uncle. I am sorry to say I havent been following your Blinko line. Hope this all helps though Jilly RaKay Dance <rakaydance@hotmail.com> wrote: I finally found another link to my mystery family. I found my Elizabeth Clarissa BLINKO's sister Mary Ann married a David SMAWLEY. This was registered in the West Bromwich district. Is this close to Aston? Also in the 1851 Census they have a Sophia PAYNE who is a nurse child 1 year of age, and a Emma PAYNE who is a servant/nurse 13 years old. Can anyone explain who these children might be? It doesn't appear that David and Mary Ann had children--at least any that where with them at this time. Any suggestions?? Rakay DANCE _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/13/2006 02:54:06
    1. Re: [B'ham] SMAWLEY
    2. Pauline Roberts
    3. Hi RaKay Part of the West Bromwich registration district is Handsworth, which in part is very near to some of Aston. As for the PAYNE children, a possible 'adoption' of these children might be one thing to consider. The elder one looking after the younger one? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "RaKay Dance" <rakaydance@hotmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:27 AM Subject: [B'ham] SMAWLEY > I finally found another link to my mystery family. I found my Elizabeth > Clarissa BLINKO's sister Mary Ann married a David SMAWLEY. This was > registered in the West Bromwich district. Is this close to Aston? Also in > the 1851 Census they have a Sophia PAYNE who is a nurse child 1 year of age, > and a Emma PAYNE who is a servant/nurse 13 years old. Can anyone explain > who these children might be? It doesn't appear that David and Mary Ann had > children--at least any that where with them at this time. Any suggestions?? > Rakay DANCE > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=h mtagline > > >

    11/13/2006 01:48:21
    1. Re: [B'ham] General Hospital Birmingham
    2. james curley
    3. hi list, as a neuroscientst, i thought i'd chip in regarding the cerebellum. It is actually a part of the brain largely disregarded as we currently have a very poor understanding of what this area does. It appears to be involved in motor control as it is close to the motor areas of the brain and lesions to it cause paralysis - particularly paralysis of voluntary controlled movement, e.g. playing the piano is a common example. . It is also involved in many other things, e.g. being able to focus or attend to stimuli and language processing. I would imagine that in 1839 an abcess to the cerebellum would indicate a general infection of the back of the brain - (the cerebellum is quite large and occupies a large part of the back of the skull). If the inflammation was large in that area, it could also mean the loss of vision as the visual areas are also at the back of the brain One more point is that efficient and widely used anaesthetics were not commonly available until the 1840s, therefore I would imagine that his last 13 days were rather painful. james _____________________________________________ Dr James Curley www.eboracensis.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Kenneth William Bibb <kbibb@bigpond.com> To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 12 November, 2006 8:47:02 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] General Hospital Birmingham to whom it may concern, cerebellum in the dictionary states; "the part of the brain at the back of the scull, which co-ordinates muscular activity" Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "RaKay Dance" <rakaydance@hotmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] General Hospital Birmingham > "itis" is typically an infection (at least here in the US). Could it > have > been some kind of menengitis or sinusitis? Rakay Dance > > >>From: "Fay Lewis" <fay.lewis@virgin.net> >>Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >>To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: [B'ham] General Hospital Birmingham >>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:52:53 -0000 >> >>Hi members, I appreciate this message is not Birmingham Specific so if I >>am >>wrong in posting here then I do apologise. >> >>I have a copy of my g g g granfathers death certificate which states he >>died in General Birmingham Hospital in 1839 aged 28 of an abscess to the >>brain. I visited Birmingham Central Library today to look at the hospital >>records to find when he had been admitted and to read the hospital notes. >> >>Unfortunately the details were very faint and I couldn't decipher the word >>that had been written when he was first admitted 13 days before he died. >>In brackets was written "abscess to the cerebellum" which was added after >>he died. >> >>I am sure I have come accross a web site which lists diseases/terms used >>in >>that era of causes of death - has anyone else come accross that site? >> >>The word that was written when he was first admitted looked like >>"Th...tis? >>or possibly could have been a little longer with another couple of >>letters. >> I think the "tis" stands for inflammation. >> >>Regards >> >>Fay >> >>_____________________________________________ >>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>http://www.bham.de/ >> >>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

    11/12/2006 11:35:19
    1. Re: [B'ham] Rice: Robert b. 1828 Ireland m. Birmingham 1850d.1860-1?
    2. Doug
    3. This message is not for me - perhaps you can sort it out with Anne. Regards, Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: <genukilists@tinfoil.cotse.net> To: "Anne Peat" <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Rice: Robert b. 1828 Ireland m. Birmingham 1850d.1860-1? >> Having magnified it several times, I think it reads: >> Rice Joseph James Birmingham XVI 647 > > > Thanks. I was using the 1837 site and the image looked like two > digits. Using ancestry the image is better and shows three digits. > Thanks for this, as I would have ordered the wrong certificate > otherwise. > > Thanks. > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________________ > This mail has been virus scanned by Lizzy Internet > see http://www.lizzy.com.au/mailscanning

    11/12/2006 01:48:02
    1. Re: [B'ham] Rice: Robert b. 1828 Ireland m. Birmingham 1850d.1860-1?
    2. Doug
    3. Hello Anne, Again this message is not for me - just had another wrong message from Alan Field. Trust this can all be sorted out now. Regards, Doug Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Rice: Robert b. 1828 Ireland m. Birmingham 1850d.1860-1? > You may be right - but when you fill in the form( if you do it online) > you could say under the reference checking option that the number is > unclear and it could be 647 or 447 > > Anne > On 12 Nov 2006, at 10:19, genukilists@tinfoil.cotse.net wrote: > >>> Rice Joseph James Birmingham XVI 647 >> >> I forgot to say, I think it is 447 though. >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________________ > This mail has been virus scanned by Lizzy Internet > see http://www.lizzy.com.au/mailscanning

    11/12/2006 01:44:31
    1. Re: [B'ham] Adoption
    2. Doug
    3. Hello Allan, This message is not for me. Mine was about my grandfather William Leabeter. Trust this helps in sorting out. Regards, Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALAN FIELD" <afield.family@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: [B'ham] Adoption > Hello Linda, > > I n answer to your questions regarding adoption. > Before 1926 there was no form of legal requirement to adopt a child so > the birth certificate remained the same as when registered. > Sometimes children were adopted privatly by solictor a adoption agreement > was drawn up by both parties these are usually held with in a family and > not kept by any offical office. > Where would you be looking at parish records if it is birmingham i could > look up for you. > Sometimes parish records will give you the area that a mother orignated > from if different from the child's parish. > On a census sometimes the child still has their birth name and is listed > as boarder and on another census listed as the child of the adoptive > parents. > Hope this helps, > San > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________________ > This mail has been virus scanned by Lizzy Internet > see http://www.lizzy.com.au/mailscanning

    11/12/2006 01:19:37
    1. [B'ham] SMAWLEY
    2. RaKay Dance
    3. I finally found another link to my mystery family. I found my Elizabeth Clarissa BLINKO's sister Mary Ann married a David SMAWLEY. This was registered in the West Bromwich district. Is this close to Aston? Also in the 1851 Census they have a Sophia PAYNE who is a nurse child 1 year of age, and a Emma PAYNE who is a servant/nurse 13 years old. Can anyone explain who these children might be? It doesn't appear that David and Mary Ann had children--at least any that where with them at this time. Any suggestions?? Rakay DANCE _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline

    11/12/2006 11:27:58
    1. [B'ham] Show Cancelled
    2. Wendy Partridge
    3. For information The Show at the Alexander Theatre tonight" A Bostin Brummy Night Out" has had to be been cancelled due to smoke damage from a fire next door. Wendy Partridge

    11/12/2006 07:04:11
    1. Re: [B'ham] DICKENS/DICKENSON/RICE Mystery
    2. Marlene Shipman
    3. Kia Ora Linda You mention he changed his name. I wonder what name he married under? I have found 2 of mine who were "adopted" who actually married using their natural father's surname and the birth father was mentioned on the marriage certificate with the correct name & occupation. The adoptive father was a witness. Are there any clues from the witnesses? As your man married after the 1914-18 war it is possible he served in the military? Have you followed Frances Kelley back? There might be a clue if he returned to a childhood sweetheart, perhaps from the same neighbourhood?? Have you searched the 1891 for all 3 possible names? What surname is on his birth cert? It helps anyone trying to help you to have all the information available. Cheers Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Yendall" <lynyendall@uniserve.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: [B'ham] DICKENS/DICKENSON/RICE Mystery > > > Hello everyone! > > I have a real mystery; hopefully sks will be able to help me. A > grandfather, born on February 9th 1890, and was placed up for adoption. > He > was adopted by a family that owned a factory in the Birmingham, > Warwickshire > area. > > The only clues to my mystery are: > > 1. The surname of the adopting family was either DICKEN(S) or DICKENSON > 2. Given names: Joseph Henry (a.k.a. Harry) > 3. He later changed his surname to RICE. > 4. He married Frances Violet Ellen KELLEY on 26 November 1919 Birmingham. > > I have not been able to find him listed anywhere including the free bmd or > in the 1891 census. > > My questions are: > > 1. If a child is placed up for adoption would a new birth certificate be > issued under the adopted surname to protect both parties? > > 2. When he took a new surname would it be published in a local newspaper > and if so which archives would I need to check with? > > 3. Is it possible to check for any online parish records for his birth or > marriage? > > 4. Does anyone a have access to these parish records and mind doing a > lookup > for me? > > I do appreciate any help to point me in the right direction and THANK YOU > for taking the time to read this! > > Linda Yendall ~ N. Vancouver Island, BC Canada > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/12/2006 06:12:13
    1. Re: [B'ham] General Hospital Birmingham
    2. RaKay Dance
    3. "itis" is typically an infection (at least here in the US). Could it have been some kind of menengitis or sinusitis? Rakay Dance >From: "Fay Lewis" <fay.lewis@virgin.net> >Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [B'ham] General Hospital Birmingham >Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:52:53 -0000 > >Hi members, I appreciate this message is not Birmingham Specific so if I am >wrong in posting here then I do apologise. > >I have a copy of my g g g granfathers death certificate which states he >died in General Birmingham Hospital in 1839 aged 28 of an abscess to the >brain. I visited Birmingham Central Library today to look at the hospital >records to find when he had been admitted and to read the hospital notes. > >Unfortunately the details were very faint and I couldn't decipher the word >that had been written when he was first admitted 13 days before he died. >In brackets was written "abscess to the cerebellum" which was added after >he died. > >I am sure I have come accross a web site which lists diseases/terms used in >that era of causes of death - has anyone else come accross that site? > >The word that was written when he was first admitted looked like "Th...tis? >or possibly could have been a little longer with another couple of letters. > I think the "tis" stands for inflammation. > >Regards > >Fay > >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail

    11/12/2006 05:44:52
    1. Re: [B'ham] Rice: Robert b. 1828 Ireland m. Birmingham 1850d.1860-1?
    2. Anne Peat
    3. You may be right - but when you fill in the form( if you do it online) you could say under the reference checking option that the number is unclear and it could be 647 or 447 Anne On 12 Nov 2006, at 10:19, genukilists@tinfoil.cotse.net wrote: >> Rice Joseph James Birmingham XVI 647 > > I forgot to say, I think it is 447 though. >

    11/12/2006 05:23:20
    1. [B'ham] Adoption
    2. ALAN FIELD
    3. Hello Linda, I n answer to your questions regarding adoption. Before 1926 there was no form of legal requirement to adopt a child so the birth certificate remained the same as when registered. Sometimes children were adopted privatly by solictor a adoption agreement was drawn up by both parties these are usually held with in a family and not kept by any offical office. Where would you be looking at parish records if it is birmingham i could look up for you. Sometimes parish records will give you the area that a mother orignated from if different from the child's parish. On a census sometimes the child still has their birth name and is listed as boarder and on another census listed as the child of the adoptive parents. Hope this helps, San

    11/12/2006 03:52:11
    1. Re: [B'ham] Rice: Robert b. 1828 Ireland m. Birmingham 1850d.1860-1?
    2. > Rice Joseph James Birmingham XVI 647 I forgot to say, I think it is 447 though.

    11/12/2006 03:19:42
    1. Re: [B'ham] Rice: Robert b. 1828 Ireland m. Birmingham 1850d.1860-1?
    2. > Having magnified it several times, I think it reads: > Rice Joseph James Birmingham XVI 647 Thanks. I was using the 1837 site and the image looked like two digits. Using ancestry the image is better and shows three digits. Thanks for this, as I would have ordered the wrong certificate otherwise. Thanks.

    11/12/2006 03:18:09
    1. Re: [B'ham] Adoption
    2. Beth
    3. I can understand that the birth record might remain the same, but what about later records. I have a death cert. re a great uncle's death in 1940 and the informant is a J Stack Haydon. neice. I have no idea who she is. However an elderly cousin of my father in the US remembers a child was adopted by a single sister of this uncle c 1910-15. Child was Josephine Stack Haydon. I have looked through the GRO several times and cannot find any records of this child anywhere, marriages and deaths. Also there is the death record in the newspaper in Bath, Somerset in 1934 when the aunt died. She was listed as Mary Ellen Stack Haydon. The Stack is only mentioned there, in no wills etc is she so named. So I have presumed the "neice" put the notice in the paper. Then just for a further bit of info is the fact that the aunt became a Catholic at some point, was at Colwich Convent on the 1901 census. I had hoped to find JSH on a voting list in 1940 etc but there weren't any such lists in the war. Any ideas of where else I could look for her. All these events/records seem to have taken place in or near Bath, but I had wondered if the child could have been from the Midlands. beth now in NS

    11/12/2006 02:01:46
    1. Re: [B'ham] Domestic Servants
    2. Keith Houghton
    3. According to Pamela Horne's book "The rise and fall of the Victorian servant", by 1901 domestic service was the major employment of women in England & Wales, and the largest occupational force, totalling 1.5 million, larger than mining, engineering, or agriculture. Keith Houghton North Richmond, Sydney, Oz. -----Original Message----- From: Anne Peat [mailto:anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:25 PM To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Domestic Servants I think it was the only option for a lot of girls. There used to be a really good site Called Victorian Lace which had descriptions of the lives of domestic servants but it closed last year. If anyone knows how to find archives of sites that have closed, perhaps they could find it http://www.geocities.com/victorianlace26/DomesticServants.html Anne On 10 Nov 2006, at 08:01, Pauline Roberts wrote: > Hi Ken > > A pretty hard one I suspect. I understand that quite a lot of girls > only > went into service as a last resort. > > Pauline > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Poole" <kpoole01@rochester.rr.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:23 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Domestic Servants > > > Does anyone have a good bio of what kind of life a domestic servant > lead at > the end of the 19th century? > Thanks > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    11/11/2006 04:54:22