>In the early 1860s, propbably 1862 the Black Country Nailers went on strike, and the strikers led by Sam Salt, marched from Netherton to Bromsgrove hauling a ton of coal, which they sold en route to earn money. Sam Salt wrote a doggerel poem of some 105 verses, which he sold copies of at 'Price one penny or what you please to give'< >From the documentary musical 'The Nailmakers' first performed at the Birmingham Repertory Theatre may 9th 1973. THE NAILMAKER'S STRIKE You nailmakers all that day remember well, The last strike of which this tale I tell, How cold and hungry we that heavy day, To Bromsgrove Town did take our toilsome way, And the nail forgers, those miserable souls, Will not forget the giver of the coals, Nailmakers are hard-hearted viles, And the way we took was 13 miles. Oh, the slaves abroad in the sugar canes, Find plenty to help and pity their pains, But the slaves at home in the mine and the fire, Have plenty to pity but none to admire, Oh, I wish I could see all nail dealers, Drawing such a load as did we poor nailers, And to feel such punishment and such smarts, That it might soften their hard stoney hearts. So as the nailers do suffer such smarts, I hope it will soften old Pharoah's heart, And let every nailer tell to his son, The labours that we for our rights have done. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

To all who replied to my request to work on the above... Many many thanks.... Wonderful ideas and greatly appreciated. Cheryl

Thank you Anne, much appreciated!! Yes, you are right re; date of marriage!! But, the date of Birth sounds spot on! Thanks for your help and of i may, i will let you know what it says on the cert when it arrives... sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] re; poss look up please?....mathews > Sandra, > Are you sure of the birth date. > I only ask because there is a marriage in 1902 for a John Matthews to > an Ellen ( Nellie?) Woodward. > But he would be too young to marry if he was born in 1889? > > Surname First name(s) District Vol Page > Marriages Dec 1902 > Binns Esther Matilda Birmingham 6d 150 Scan available - click to > view > Foy James Birmingham 6d 150 Scan available - click to view > Matthews John Birmingham 6d 150 Scan available - click to view > Woodward Ellen Birmingham 6d 150 Scan available - click to view > Woodwood Ellen Birmingham 6d 150 > > HTH > Anne > On 16 Nov 2006, at 13:58, Sandra Whitmore wrote: > > > Dear Listers, > > I am hoping that SKS may be able to help me with a Birth look up > > please?..... > > > > I am looking for the Birth of, John Charles Mathews who was born > > "about" 1889 in birmingham?.... He married Nellie Woodward, also from > > Birmingham. Year not known as yet!.. > > They had a son, Frederick Mathews who was born 1909 at Deritend, > > Birmingham..... > > > > Sorry i do not have much to go on but, would really appreciate any > > help you can give me please... > > Look forward to hearing from you. > > sandra.... > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 > >

Thanks for your reply. I have not been able to find the death for Charlotte Knight, but will now look at the dates you have sent. I believe that Roseanna was with her mother in 1861 possibly in the workhouse - cannot find them on the census. I have found a Henry Gough as a lodger on the 1861 census. (no real way of knowing if it is him- just going by date and area) Henry later went on to marry Mary Rowlands (nee adams) but again we cannot find the marriage, Mary may still of been married. I think that they might have been togeather by 1871 because they are all missing from the 1871 census. Joy

Thank you Hilary, It must be the "time" of the year as i had not realised either!!..Many thanks, sandra.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Thomas" <family@mypandas.me.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] re; poss look up please?....mathews > Sorry I forgot the year - 1886 > > Hilary > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 > >

Thank you very much indeed Hilary!..I am very grateful.... cheers, sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Thomas" <family@mypandas.me.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] re; poss look up please?....mathews > Hi Sandra > > Maybe this is him. From FreeBMD > > John Charles Matthews Birmingham 6d 14 September Quarter. > > Regards > > Hilary > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 > >

Sorry I forgot the year - 1886 Hilary

Hi Sandra Maybe this is him. From FreeBMD John Charles Matthews Birmingham 6d 14 September Quarter. Regards Hilary

Sandra, Are you sure of the birth date. I only ask because there is a marriage in 1902 for a John Matthews to an Ellen ( Nellie?) Woodward. But he would be too young to marry if he was born in 1889? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1902 Binns Esther Matilda Birmingham 6d 150 Scan available - click to view Foy James Birmingham 6d 150 Scan available - click to view Matthews John Birmingham 6d 150 Scan available - click to view Woodward Ellen Birmingham 6d 150 Scan available - click to view Woodwood Ellen Birmingham 6d 150 HTH Anne On 16 Nov 2006, at 13:58, Sandra Whitmore wrote: > Dear Listers, > I am hoping that SKS may be able to help me with a Birth look up > please?..... > > I am looking for the Birth of, John Charles Mathews who was born > "about" 1889 in birmingham?.... He married Nellie Woodward, also from > Birmingham. Year not known as yet!.. > They had a son, Frederick Mathews who was born 1909 at Deritend, > Birmingham..... > > Sorry i do not have much to go on but, would really appreciate any > help you can give me please... > Look forward to hearing from you. > sandra....

Hi Nancy Icke and knight I have a edith etta grace knight ( the Grace is my wifes middle name,as is Minnie,which she keeps quiet about)!, edith married samuel harold ICKE , a leather maker /manufacturer, who squandered his fathers fortune in this trade ,and died ? . Edith then had a child by a Paul METZ , a patents registrar ,he was of german extraction , a child resulted in this get to together ,and was named KNIGHT after surname, this was my wifes father. Otherwise the KNIGHT line originates from castle bromwich ,and beyond that to steeple aston in oxfordshire c 1790,s, apart from this i cannot see with delving into records a hope /aston marrying into this line, i,ll look anyway,many thanks for your reply gary hodge Nancy Curry wrote: > I have researched the Knights, as at one time I thought that a Thomas Hope Aston was one of ours. It developed that he wasn't, but he married a KNIGHT. I don't have the information in front of me, but you could find Thomas Hope Aston on google. It's early morning now, everyone but me, is asleep. I shall look further for the Knights, as they, and Thomas Hope Aston were from Aston. Thomas was a minister of some note. If this is not what you want, let me know, please, and I won't look any further. > > Nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J hodge<mailto:jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com<mailto:eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:34 AM > Subject: [B'ham] ICKE/ KNIGHT > > > > > Hi List > > Chasing some names up, I am looking for a samuel (harold) ICKE who > married a Edith Etta grace KNIGHT in 1921 aston birmingham , folklore > suggests shropshire /worcs as birth place of samuel, are there any list > members researching this person. > > gary hodge > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/<http://www.bham.de/> > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Dear Listers, I am hoping that SKS may be able to help me with a Birth look up please?..... I am looking for the Birth of, John Charles Mathews who was born "about" 1889 in birmingham?.... He married Nellie Woodward, also from Birmingham. Year not known as yet!.. They had a son, Frederick Mathews who was born 1909 at Deritend, Birmingham..... Sorry i do not have much to go on but, would really appreciate any help you can give me please... Look forward to hearing from you. sandra....

A nailer generally makes nails. They may also be described as nail casters. One branch of my family were nailers for some 100 years in Brum but Worcs was a nailmaking area You can see demonstrations of nail making at Avoncroft museum in Bromsgrove - google for Avoncroft Bromsgrove Some other links which give information - though how accurate I don't know http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=22964#s11 - on this page search for the word nail - (edit - find in this page) then find again - there is a lot of text - tis a good site though for information of all kinds http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/G-CradleyHeath.html scroll down a bit on this one http://www.sedgleylocalhistory.org.uk/ft/hom/tgss11.html http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/articles/Darlaston/NailMaking.htm http://www.glasgowsteelnail.com/nailmaking.htm You can find others googling Ros ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wallen" <bwallen@pacific.net> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:54 AM Subject: [B'ham] Parsonage >I am looking for more information about my great grandfather, George > PARSONAGE. He was born in 1845-Worcestershire Catshill - and married in > May, 1870 to Sarah Walker. His occupation on the marriage license was > listed as a Nailer. What is a nailer?? > And, by the census of 1900, he was blind. What would the resources be > at that time for someone who looses his sight? I have a photo of him > "reading a large book: - using his hands....someone must have taught > him Braille. > Thank you, Betty > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A Nailer is an occupation like a blacksmith , forgeing iron to make Nails. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wallen" <bwallen@pacific.net> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: [B'ham] Parsonage >I am looking for more information about my great grandfather, George > PARSONAGE. He was born in 1845-Worcestershire Catshill - and married in > May, 1870 to Sarah Walker. His occupation on the marriage license was > listed as a Nailer. What is a nailer?? > And, by the census of 1900, he was blind. What would the resources be > at that time for someone who looses his sight? I have a photo of him > "reading a large book: - using his hands....someone must have taught > him Braille. > Thank you, Betty > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Reginald Ives (Reginald Percy) 16th August 1918 , Gunner , 3rd Battery 311th Brigade. R.F.A. Son of Walter and Bertha Ives. of 35, Weston Rd., Bearwood, Smethwick, Birmingham. Aged 20. Hi , is anyone researching this family ? I am collecting information about WW1 & WW2 Old Boys of Cotton College ( my old school) near Oakamoor , Staffs. I have created a website listing what I know thus far which isn't much. Also , if you went to the school yourself , whatever era , please let me know. Peter Glynn Help needed! Help save my history!! _http://www.freewebs.com/savecotton_ (http://www.freewebs.com/savecotton) - sign the Save Cotton College Petition http://www.gopetition.com/online/9840.html

Hi Joy I have KNIGHTS who originated in steeple aston ,oxfordshire, back to 1790, they also moved to castle bromwich area in later years , I have a henry but he was born steeple aston and of a much later year than yours, (1854) you never know how these trees go. gary hodge Joy Davies wrote: > Hi > > To those researching the 'Knight' families, has anyone come across > Charlotte Knight who was the mother of Roseanna Gough? (born 1859) > On Roseannas birth certificate the mother is down as Charlotte Gough, > the father is Henry > (born 1837 Derits end Birmingham) but I cannot find a marriage. Nor can > I find a Charlotte that might be the mother. Roseanna is living with her > father on the 1881 census but dies a couple of years later. > I would be intrested to know if anyone has Charlotte Knight in their family. > > Many thanks > > Joy > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi To those researching the 'Knight' families, has anyone come across Charlotte Knight who was the mother of Roseanna Gough? (born 1859) On Roseannas birth certificate the mother is down as Charlotte Gough, the father is Henry (born 1837 Derits end Birmingham) but I cannot find a marriage. Nor can I find a Charlotte that might be the mother. Roseanna is living with her father on the 1881 census but dies a couple of years later. I would be intrested to know if anyone has Charlotte Knight in their family. Many thanks Joy

I'm interested in these too please. Best wishes Carole >From: Di & Al Comley <dialcomley@westnet.com.au> >Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com >Subject: [B'ham] Settlement certificates, Birmingham >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:31:42 +1030 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: dialcomley@mail.westnet.com.au (Unverified) >Received: from lists9.rootsweb.com ([66.43.27.45]) by >bay0-mc12-f4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Tue, >14 Nov 2006 20:27:36 -0800 >Received: from lists9.rootsweb.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by >lists9.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAF4RHGo010831;Tue, 14 >Nov 2006 21:27:31 -0700 >Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34])by >lists9.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAF4RGSU010821for ><ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@lists9.rootsweb.com>;Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:27:16 -0700 >Received: from vscan03.westnet.com.au (vscan03.westnet.com.au >[203.10.1.142])by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id >kAF4R97v029802for <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 >21:27:10 -0700 >Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by localhost >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFA2B61442for ><ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com>;Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:01:21 +0800 (WST) >Received: from vscan03.westnet.com.au ([127.0.0.1])by localhost >(vscan03.westnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,port 10024)with ESMTP id >17534-01-5 for <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com>;Wed, 15 Nov 2006 >12:01:20 +0800 (WST) >Received: from t4f1z1.westnet.com.au >(dsl-220-235-118-148.sa.westnet.com.au[220.235.118.148])by >vscan03.westnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0357AB608DBfor ><ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com>;Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:01:16 +0800 (WST) >X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt38kVYY2pzVhsFTUQs5ni69fmhsD+bjqsk= >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 192.168.65.34 >X-BeenThere: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 >Precedence: list >List-Id: <eng-warks-birmingham.rootsweb.com> >X-Loop: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com >List-Unsubscribe: ><http://lists9.rootsweb.com/mailman/listinfo/eng-warks-birmingham>,<mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: ><http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-warks-birmingham> >List-Post: <mailto:eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >List-Help: <mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-request@rootsweb.com?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: ><http://lists9.rootsweb.com/mailman/listinfo/eng-warks-birmingham>,<mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe> >Errors-To: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >Return-Path: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 04:27:36.0620 (UTC) >FILETIME=[60C386C0:01C7086E] > >Does anyone know if copies of settlement documents survive for St Martin's >or St Philip's parishes in Birmingham, please. >thanks, >Di > >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb

I am looking for more information about my great grandfather, George PARSONAGE. He was born in 1845-Worcestershire Catshill - and married in May, 1870 to Sarah Walker. His occupation on the marriage license was listed as a Nailer. What is a nailer?? And, by the census of 1900, he was blind. What would the resources be at that time for someone who looses his sight? I have a photo of him "reading a large book: - using his hands....someone must have taught him Braille. Thank you, Betty

Does anyone know if copies of settlement documents survive for St Martin's or St Philip's parishes in Birmingham, please. thanks, Di

I have just found out that an ancestor may have been apprenticed to a master in either the St Martin's or St Philip's parish in Birmingham around the late 1760's - 1770. His name was Samuel Worledge and he became a Staymaker, moving to London by 1770. There is a Samuel Worledge birth in Warwickshire on IGI but I find it hard to believe this is the one as neither of the parents names appear among his 5 children. Does anyone happen to have access to these Apprenticeship records or any knowledge of the Worledge, Worlidge or similar spelling families in the area? Thanks Di