Hello John Yes you may be right perhaps we should apply for it, we have a date and name. All I can add is thank goodness for all the volunteers at the commonwealth war graves commission or we would have not found anything!! Thanks Wendy Partridge ----- Original Message ----- From: "john dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate >I obtained a death certificate for my grandfather, who was killed defending > withdrawing troops near Dunkirk. The certificate I got seemed brand new, > and > his place of death was given as "Belgium and France" - quite a feat. I > don't think anyone making out a certificate at the time wouyld have made > that mistake. Therefore, I concluded trhat a death certificate for a > deceased serviceman was only made out when it was asked for > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate > > >> Hello Hilary >> >> I have tried this site without any luck. I have tried Ancestry and the >> GRO >> I >> am now wondering if a certificate was ever issued. Also because he was in >> the Merchant Navy I have found the records more difficult to find. >> Thanks anyway. >> Regards >> Wendy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hilary Thomas" <family@mypandas.me.uk> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate >> >> >>> Hi Wendy >>> >>> If you go to www.findmypast.com (was 1837 online) you can search for >>> military death certificates. When you have the information the >>> certificates >>> are available from the GRO. >>> >>> I got my and my husband's grandfathers certificates this way. >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> Regards >>> Hilary >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, In First World War all deaths on Western Front were listed as 'France & Flanders' even though they usually knew exactly where a serviceman had been killed. The situation in 1940 was a lot more confused. Troops fought in both France and Belgium and in the state of the nation post-Dunkirk the authorities simply would not have known where everyone had died. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "john dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate >I obtained a death certificate for my grandfather, who was killed defending > withdrawing troops near Dunkirk. The certificate I got seemed brand new, > and > his place of death was given as "Belgium and France" - quite a feat. I > don't think anyone making out a certificate at the time wouyld have made > that mistake. Therefore, I concluded trhat a death certificate for a > deceased serviceman was only made out when it was asked for > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate > > >> Hello Hilary >> >> I have tried this site without any luck. I have tried Ancestry and the >> GRO >> I >> am now wondering if a certificate was ever issued. Also because he was in >> the Merchant Navy I have found the records more difficult to find. >> Thanks anyway. >> Regards >> Wendy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hilary Thomas" <family@mypandas.me.uk> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate >> >> >>> Hi Wendy >>> >>> If you go to www.findmypast.com (was 1837 online) you can search for >>> military death certificates. When you have the information the >>> certificates >>> are available from the GRO. >>> >>> I got my and my husband's grandfathers certificates this way. >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> Regards >>> Hilary >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List Is there anyone on list who can do a lookup for me please? The person I am looking for is Homer SILVESTER. He was born in 1773 I think in Bilston. Last known address for him was 12 St Paul's Square in 1839 when he was listed in Robson's directory as a wine merchant. He died in the 2nd qtr of 1842 so am hoping someone can find him for me in the 1841 census. Don't know if he married at all. An image would be good too please. Thanks in anticipation Bev Kerang, Vic, Oz

A nailer was a person who made nails. They were made by hand, in the family home, largely by women. This area was known for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Hall" <bengunn@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Parsonage > Hi Betty > Could your George PARSONAGE have a sister named Emma? I think she was born > circa 1839 Kings Norton, Worcs. Just on the off chance they might be > related. > Regards > Bernard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Wallen" <bwallen@pacific.net> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:54 AM > Subject: [B'ham] Parsonage > > >>I am looking for more information about my great grandfather, George >>PARSONAGE. He was born in 1845-Worcestershire Catshill - and married in >>May, 1870 to Sarah Walker. His occupation on the marriage license was >>listed as a Nailer. What is a nailer?? >> And, by the census of 1900, he was blind. What would the resources be at >> that time for someone who looses his sight? I have a photo of him >> "reading a large book: - using his hands....someone must have taught him >> Braille. >> Thank you, Betty >> >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I obtained a death certificate for my grandfather, who was killed defending withdrawing troops near Dunkirk. The certificate I got seemed brand new, and his place of death was given as "Belgium and France" - quite a feat. I don't think anyone making out a certificate at the time wouyld have made that mistake. Therefore, I concluded trhat a death certificate for a deceased serviceman was only made out when it was asked for ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate > Hello Hilary > > I have tried this site without any luck. I have tried Ancestry and the GRO > I > am now wondering if a certificate was ever issued. Also because he was in > the Merchant Navy I have found the records more difficult to find. > Thanks anyway. > Regards > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hilary Thomas" <family@mypandas.me.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate > > >> Hi Wendy >> >> If you go to www.findmypast.com (was 1837 online) you can search for >> military death certificates. When you have the information the >> certificates >> are available from the GRO. >> >> I got my and my husband's grandfathers certificates this way. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Regards >> Hilary >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Hilary I have tried this site without any luck. I have tried Ancestry and the GRO I am now wondering if a certificate was ever issued. Also because he was in the Merchant Navy I have found the records more difficult to find. Thanks anyway. Regards Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Thomas" <family@mypandas.me.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate > Hi Wendy > > If you go to www.findmypast.com (was 1837 online) you can search for > military death certificates. When you have the information the > certificates > are available from the GRO. > > I got my and my husband's grandfathers certificates this way. > > Hope this helps > > Regards > Hilary > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Having hit the proverbial 'brick wall' -I'm working sideways to try and get a break through! I have two marriage certificates and do not recognise the witness names at all. 1) June 1903: John ALLEN (my great uncle) married Julia JONES at Birmingham Register Office. Witnesses were: William James SCRANNAGE and Nellie FOSTER 2) August 1941: Nellie ALLEN (my great aunt) married Victor Herbert HAWKINS at St Paul's Church, Bordeseley Green. Witnesses were: Edith May NORRIS and Cyril Robert SHERVINGTON. For some reason Victor's father is not named on the marriage certificate, only referred to as 'deceased'. Does anyone recognise any of the witnesses' names? Many thanks, Helen in chilly France Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Joy Check both the 1861 and 1871 censuses for INITIALS only. I found one of mine in 1871 in the B'ham Asylum and they used only initials at that time but the initials, age & former occupation were correct. Worth a try anyway! Good Luck Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Davies" <jd2@sanger.ac.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com>; <marlene.s@xtrs.co.nz> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:44 AM Subject: [B'ham] Knight Family > Thanks for your reply. > > I have not been able to find the death for Charlotte Knight, but will > now look at the dates you have sent. I believe that Roseanna was with > her mother in 1861 possibly in the workhouse - cannot find them on the > census. > I have found a Henry Gough as a lodger on the 1861 census. (no real way > of knowing if it is him- just going by date and area) > Henry later went on to marry Mary Rowlands (nee adams) but again we > cannot find the marriage, Mary may still of been married. I think that > they might have been togeather by 1871 because they are all missing from > the 1871 census. > > > Joy > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Betty Could your George PARSONAGE have a sister named Emma? I think she was born circa 1839 Kings Norton, Worcs. Just on the off chance they might be related. Regards Bernard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wallen" <bwallen@pacific.net> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:54 AM Subject: [B'ham] Parsonage >I am looking for more information about my great grandfather, George >PARSONAGE. He was born in 1845-Worcestershire Catshill - and married in >May, 1870 to Sarah Walker. His occupation on the marriage license was >listed as a Nailer. What is a nailer?? > And, by the census of 1900, he was blind. What would the resources be at > that time for someone who looses his sight? I have a photo of him > "reading a large book: - using his hands....someone must have taught him > Braille. > Thank you, Betty > >

Hi Bev this came up on Ancestry Staffordshire: Wolverhampton - Registers of Marriages, 1735-1776 21 Aug 1758 Robert Silvester, bach. and Mary Homer, sp. L Mike Fisher in Droitwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Nethercote" <plumpton2@dodo.com.au> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: [B'ham] 1841 census lookup please > Hi List > > Is there anyone on list who can do a lookup for me please? > > The person I am looking for is Homer SILVESTER. He was born in 1773 I > think in Bilston. Last known address for him was 12 St Paul's Square in > 1839 when he was listed in Robson's directory as a wine merchant. He died > in the 2nd qtr of 1842 so am hoping someone can find him for me in the > 1841 census. Don't know if he married at all. > > An image would be good too please. > > Thanks in anticipation > > Bev > Kerang, Vic, Oz > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Bev. No Homer Silvester - other SILVESTERs in Birmingham and Aston - but no Homer shows up. Sorry Anne On 17 Nov 2006, at 10:16, Bev Nethercote wrote: > Hi List > > Is there anyone on list who can do a lookup for me please? > > The person I am looking for is Homer SILVESTER. He was born in 1773 I > think in Bilston. Last known address for him was 12 St Paul's Square > in 1839 when he was listed in Robson's directory as a wine merchant. > He died in the 2nd qtr of 1842 so am hoping someone can find him for > me in the 1841 census. Don't know if he married at all. > > An image would be good too please. > > Thanks in anticipation > > Bev > Kerang, Vic, Oz > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Wendy If you go to www.findmypast.com (was 1837 online) you can search for military death certificates. When you have the information the certificates are available from the GRO. I got my and my husband's grandfathers certificates this way. Hope this helps Regards Hilary

had a look, nothing came up (But there are bits missing from 1841) J Bev Nethercote <plumpton2@dodo.com.au> wrote: Hi List Is there anyone on list who can do a lookup for me please? The person I am looking for is Homer SILVESTER. He was born in 1773 I think in Bilston. Last known address for him was 12 St Paul's Square in 1839 when he was listed in Robson's directory as a wine merchant. He died in the 2nd qtr of 1842 so am hoping someone can find him for me in the 1841 census. Don't know if he married at all. An image would be good too please. Thanks in anticipation Bev Kerang, Vic, Oz _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I hope someone can help. I am helping a friend find information about her grandfather who was merchant seaman Demetrius Funtas. He was killed in 1942 when his ship was torpedoed off the Azores. I have located his death record on the Commonwealth War Graves site and from this found information about his ship and where it went down. I have tried without success to find his death certificate. He lived in Cardiff and sailed from there. He was born in Cyprus but was a British national by 1942. His ship was registered in Tyneside. Any suggestions? Thanks Wendy Partridge

If you can get hold of it, there is an excellent book on the nailmaking industry in Bromsgrove by Bill Kings and Margaret Cooper, "Glory Gone: the story of nailing in Bromsgrove", Halfshire Books, 1989. This includes Catshill, but I see from the index of nailmakers that there is no specific reference to anyone named Parsonage. Keith Houghton North Richmond, Sydney, Oz. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wallen [mailto:bwallen@pacific.net] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:54 AM To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Parsonage I am looking for more information about my great grandfather, George PARSONAGE. He was born in 1845-Worcestershire Catshill - and married in May, 1870 to Sarah Walker. His occupation on the marriage license was listed as a Nailer. What is a nailer?? And, by the census of 1900, he was blind. What would the resources be at that time for someone who looses his sight? I have a photo of him "reading a large book: - using his hands....someone must have taught him Braille. Thank you, Betty

I am new to this list and wonder whether there is anyone researching the FENNELL family of Kineton. Warwickshire. Joseph FENNELL was born around 1830 probably in Kineton. Certainly his wife Eliza was born there and the family had strong links with the area. I should be very pleased to hear from anyone who might have knowledge/information with a view to exchange information. Edna

Did Charlotte Gough die in June 1860 6d/147 in Aston and did Henry Gough remarry in Birmingham the following quarter to Mary Ann Lomas? Or was Charlotte's death in June 1862 or March or December 1865 or December 1870 at the age of 33 in Birmingham? Would the death cert hold any clues perhaps? Where are Roseanna & Henry in 1861 or 1871? As Roseanah would have been very young Henry would have needed help to care for her? Answers to those questions might give a clue if perhaps Roseanna was being cared for by another family member or Henry had remarried to provide a mother for his child? cheers Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Davies" <jd2@sanger.ac.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: [B'ham] Knight Family > Hi > > To those researching the 'Knight' families, has anyone come across > Charlotte Knight who was the mother of Roseanna Gough? (born 1859) > On Roseannas birth certificate the mother is down as Charlotte Gough, > the father is Henry > (born 1837 Derits end Birmingham) but I cannot find a marriage. Nor can > I find a Charlotte that might be the mother. Roseanna is living with her > father on the 1881 census but dies a couple of years later. > I would be intrested to know if anyone has Charlotte Knight in their > family. > > Many thanks > > Joy > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jane As one who had a look for this one, can you give some detail on the find? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > 1881 image to follow off list > J > Dear Listers, > Sorry to be a pest but, hoping that SKS may be able to find on cenus, > Ameilia Gabrielle GIRARDAO?..She was married to William Walton ADAMS nd > they lived in Aston , B`ham. But Amelia was born in surrey, London.....

1881 image to follow off list J Sandra Whitmore <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Dear Listers, Sorry to be a pest but, hoping that SKS may be able to find on cenus, Ameilia Gabrielle GIRARDAO?..She was married to William Walton ADAMS nd they lived in Aston , B`ham. But Amelia was born in surrey, London..... I hae had a look on ancestry butm she does appear with her husband on the 1901 census but, was hoping to get further back to see who her parents were etc.... Any help at all would be extreemly welcome.... Look forward to hearing from you. sandra whitmore _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Sorry to be a pest but, hoping that SKS may be able to find on cenus, Ameilia Gabrielle GIRARDAO?..She was married to William Walton ADAMS nd they lived in Aston , B`ham. But Amelia was born in surrey, London..... I hae had a look on ancestry butm she does appear with her husband on the 1901 census but, was hoping to get further back to see who her parents were etc.... Any help at all would be extreemly welcome.... Look forward to hearing from you. sandra whitmore