My ancestor, Thomas Jackson, was a wharfinger living in Holt Street in 1818. He with a partner, John Howell, advertised in Wrightsons Trienniel Directory in 1928-29 offering 'Conveyance by Water' between Coventry and Birmingham and Derby and Newark. He was still living in Holt St in 1941 describing himself as a carrier. I understand a wharfinger was connected with canals but can anyone give me more information on his job and possible lifestyle. Gill in sunny Hull

The ages i have on his marriage certificate and his death certificate all match an 1898 birth. I also have his 3 surviving children back this up as well. Roz Janet Ellis <janet@ellisat16.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: It is possible, maybe, that the date of birth in the Military Records is wrong. Janet Northampton Roz Jones wrote: I am searching for great grandfather (my mum's mum's dad). His name is Horace BAILEY. He was born on the 28th of September 1898 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. (date of birth sourced from his military records.) _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

On his marriage certificate (dated 1924), his father is listed as a William Henry BAILEY - occupation is that of Gas Fitter. According to his eldest daughter, William was in the military when Horace was born I've searched on 1901 census, and found 1 possibility. A six month old Horace S BAILEY. JANE DYER <jane.dyer@btinternet.com> wrote: how irritating & frustrating. I've had a look using soundex & tried staffs as well but no other likely candidates come up. Do you have his father's occupation? It should be on the marriage cert then you can check it against the census J Roz Jones wrote: I am searching for great grandfather (my mum's mum's dad). His name is Horace BAILEY. He was born on the 28th of September 1898 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. (date of birth sourced from his military records.) His birth was never registered, nor was he christened - apparently mum was ill and dad was away in military and they 'never got round to it' (source: the eldest of his 4 children). His father's name is William Henry BAILEY (source: Horace's marriage certificate) According to my great aunt, Horace had a brother, John, a sister, Winifred, and a half brother (younger) called Charles. If i have the right certificate - John (his brother) was born on the 11 august 1906. Horace married Doris Margaret Kate HOARE on 26 December 1924 in Essex. I have found 1 possibility on 1901 census, but i'm not convinced it's him (gut instinct) - A Horace S Bailey - born 1900. but, if my maths is correct - Horace should be about 1 yr to 18mths. On this one he's only 6months? - should i run with it? Roz Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you.

It is possible, maybe, that the date of birth in the Military Records is wrong. Janet Northampton Roz Jones <rhjones19@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I am searching for great grandfather (my mum's mum's dad). His name is Horace BAILEY. He was born on the 28th of September 1898 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. (date of birth sourced from his military records.)

how irritating & frustrating. I've had a look using soundex & tried staffs as well but no other likely candidates come up. Do you have his father's occupation? It should be on the marriage cert then you can check it against the census J Roz Jones <rhjones19@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I am searching for great grandfather (my mum's mum's dad). His name is Horace BAILEY. He was born on the 28th of September 1898 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. (date of birth sourced from his military records.) His birth was never registered, nor was he christened - apparently mum was ill and dad was away in military and they 'never got round to it' (source: the eldest of his 4 children). His father's name is William Henry BAILEY (source: Horace's marriage certificate) According to my great aunt, Horace had a brother, John, a sister, Winifred, and a half brother (younger) called Charles. If i have the right certificate - John (his brother) was born on the 11 august 1906. Horace married Doris Margaret Kate HOARE on 26 December 1924 in Essex. I have found 1 possibility on 1901 census, but i'm not convinced it's him (gut instinct) - A Horace S Bailey - born 1900. but, if my maths is correct - Horace should be about 1 yr to 18mths. On this one he's only 6months? - should i run with it? Roz Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am searching for great grandfather (my mum's mum's dad). His name is Horace BAILEY. He was born on the 28th of September 1898 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. (date of birth sourced from his military records.) His birth was never registered, nor was he christened - apparently mum was ill and dad was away in military and they 'never got round to it' (source: the eldest of his 4 children). His father's name is William Henry BAILEY (source: Horace's marriage certificate) According to my great aunt, Horace had a brother, John, a sister, Winifred, and a half brother (younger) called Charles. If i have the right certificate - John (his brother) was born on the 11 august 1906. Horace married Doris Margaret Kate HOARE on 26 December 1924 in Essex. I have found 1 possibility on 1901 census, but i'm not convinced it's him (gut instinct) - A Horace S Bailey - born 1900. but, if my maths is correct - Horace should be about 1 yr to 18mths. On this one he's only 6months? - should i run with it? Roz Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Looking for George DODD, born about 1838, married to MARIA. Lived in Wheeler Stree, Birmingham. His Sons GEORGE and THOMAS were both jewellers. Anybody have a match ? Regards

Hi All if anyone is going there could they take a piccy for me? ARTISS, JOSEPH HENRY Initials: J H Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Screen Wall. B10. 5. 4110. BIRMINGHAM (LODGE HILL) CEMETERY Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree is at http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mjfisher Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Thank you to everyone who has responded so quickly to my posting. I really appreciate it. I am not sure how to respond back here except to say I see that Phil Barlow stated he could stop by there this week. So Phil would you please go ahead with this? Again, thank you so much for your help. Michele ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:06:48 EST From: Truffles46@aol.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Lodge Hill Cemetery and Crematorium question To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <be9.7ec972b.32932c98@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Michele, I live close to the cemetery and could take a photo for you but my digital camera is a very low pixel affair plus i am a useless photographer. Will see if anyone with a better set up offers to do this. If not i will be happy to do my best on Wednesday. Jackie ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:07:10 -0000 From: "Phil Barlow" <philbarlow@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Lodge Hill Cemetery and Crematorium question To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <200611201806.kAKI6eme002069@mail.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Michael I live not far from Lodge Hill and am sure I can get you a photo during the week unless someone sends one beforehand. Regards Phil Barlow -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michele Bender Sent: 20 November 2006 15:26 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Lodge Hill Cemetery and Crematorium question Back in June and July many of you helped me out with searching for my late uncle, Harry Neville Erber. I have already tried contacting both the genealogy department within the government and the cemetery/crematorium themselves in trying to get a digital photograph of the area that his ashes had been scattered in. I have not had any luck with this. I do not live in England and have no way of doing this on my own. My uncle was scattered in the Gardens of Rest section in plot 0.10. Is there anyone who may be traveling by there or willing to stop and take a digital photo to email? I would greatly appreciate this. The location: Lodge Hill Cemetery and Crematorium Weoley Park Road, Selly Oak. B29 Thank you. Michele Bender

I am trying to trace any details of Thomas Skelding [Gunfinisher] & his family. Only data that I have is that he had a son Frederick [b.abt.1802 in Birmingham]. His son married Ann Sadler on 27-06-1819 @ the Parish Church, Harborne, Staffs. I should imagine that Thomas was b.abt.1770 to 1780 & I can only assume that it was in Birmingham where the Gunmakers trade was situated. Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Graham.

Hi Michael I live not far from Lodge Hill and am sure I can get you a photo during the week unless someone sends one beforehand. Regards Phil Barlow -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michele Bender Sent: 20 November 2006 15:26 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Lodge Hill Cemetery and Crematorium question Back in June and July many of you helped me out with searching for my late uncle, Harry Neville Erber. I have already tried contacting both the genealogy department within the government and the cemetery/crematorium themselves in trying to get a digital photograph of the area that his ashes had been scattered in. I have not had any luck with this. I do not live in England and have no way of doing this on my own. My uncle was scattered in the Gardens of Rest section in plot 0.10. Is there anyone who may be traveling by there or willing to stop and take a digital photo to email? I would greatly appreciate this. The location: Lodge Hill Cemetery and Crematorium Weoley Park Road, Selly Oak. B29 Thank you. Michele Bender _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thomas SMITH, a tailor, and his wife Elizabeth came to live in Birmingham somewhere between 1833 and 1841 as they appear on the 1841 census living in Cardigan Street, off Curzon Street. They had children Edwin, Thomas, Rebecca, Emma and Elizabeth for definite, plus possibly about another five, but not confirmed as yet. Does anyone have this family in their tree please? Pauline Tamworth, Staffs

Hello, I am hoping some one may be able to help me with my HAZELDINE research. My grandfather was GORDON HAZELDINE (son of THOMAS and MARIAN HAZELDINE). GORDON was born 1904 at Handsworth, Birmingham, England. Siblings were HAROLD born ca 1892, MARIAN born ca 1894, JAMES born ca 1895, ETHEL born ca 1896, ARTHUR born ca 1897, EDGAR born ca 1900, WILLIAM born ca 1901, DORIS born ca 1903, SYDNEY born ca 1906, LEONARD born ca 1907 and MURIEL born ca 1909. Gordon and his brother William came to Australia in 1923 but I know little about their siblings. Any information/help greatly appreciated. Jenni Gibson Melbourne, Australia Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Michele, I live close to the cemetery and could take a photo for you but my digital camera is a very low pixel affair plus i am a useless photographer. Will see if anyone with a better set up offers to do this. If not i will be happy to do my best on Wednesday. Jackie

Back in June and July many of you helped me out with searching for my late uncle, Harry Neville Erber. I have already tried contacting both the genealogy department within the government and the cemetery/crematorium themselves in trying to get a digital photograph of the area that his ashes had been scattered in. I have not had any luck with this. I do not live in England and have no way of doing this on my own. My uncle was scattered in the Gardens of Rest section in plot 0.10. Is there anyone who may be traveling by there or willing to stop and take a digital photo to email? I would greatly appreciate this. The location: Lodge Hill Cemetery and Crematorium Weoley Park Road, Selly Oak. B29 Thank you. Michele Bender

The Albert Journal, Albert County, New Brunswick, 6 May 1904 Waterside - A very serious accident happened to Percy Love the little ADOPTED BOY OF C.W. Anderson, TAKEN FROM THE MIDDLEMORE HOME IN BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND. While playing in the barn on Friday evening he accidently pulled over a large team sled which was leaning against the wall. He was knocked down, the sled runners struck him violently on the head. George Anderson who was feeding the cattle close by heard the noise and rushed to his rescue. Blood flowing profusely from the mouth, nose and ears, he was carried to the house apparently dead, but when signs of life were seen, Dr. Murray was summoned and remained all night. He succeded in bring the little fellow to partial consciousness by morning. He is in critical condition and his many friends are very anxious for his recovery as he is an exceptionally bright boy. ***** The child did pull through as he appears in 1911 with George and Astina Anderson in Harvey, Kings & Albert, NB. He arrived in 1903 aged 5, with Middlemore Homes on SS Siberian. He enlisted in WW1 in 1916 under the name of Lionel Percy Love, birthplace Birminghan, address: 64 Harrison Street, St Johns, NB, occ-repairman, friend-Jennie Anderson. This appeared on our Reveley mailing list so I am passing it on. Sarah Reveley always looking for Reveleys and variants

Hi John Dodd and Wendy Partridge et al. John, Birth certs applied for from the GRO are always copies of the original, or I assume in place of KIA during the world wars, one filled out as best as they can with the information they have available to them. You will never get the original whatever or whoever you are except when you are registering a bmd for a person at that moment. You can also send off for records of servicemen through their relevant service record centres. After 1920 send to Glasgow, before send to Hayes. IF you would like the addresses, email off-list please. Wendy, have you checked out the 'Seaman's records' on the Archives site, they have just released those for viewing, if your person is there, it will come up with vague information relating to them, then you will be able to prchase that records by download, my last one cost me £3.50 for an A4 page, but it will depend on how much info is available, it could be many pages, all A4 size. Hope this has helped both. Happy hunting, Mick McAllister www.dig4ancestors.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "john dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate >I obtained a death certificate for my grandfather, who was killed defending >withdrawing troops near Dunkirk. The certificate I got seemed brand new, >and his place of death was given as "Belgium and France" - quite a feat. I >don't think anyone making out a certificate at the time wouyld have made >that mistake. Therefore, I concluded trhat a death certificate for a >deceased serviceman was only made out when it was asked for > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate > > >> Hello Hilary >> >> I have tried this site without any luck. I have tried Ancestry and the >> GRO I >> am now wondering if a certificate was ever issued. Also because he was in >> the Merchant Navy I have found the records more difficult to find. >> Thanks anyway. >> Regards >> Wendy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hilary Thomas" <family@mypandas.me.uk> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate >> >> >>> Hi Wendy >>> >>> If you go to www.findmypast.com (was 1837 online) you can search for >>> military death certificates. When you have the information the >>> certificates >>> are available from the GRO. >>> >>> I got my and my husband's grandfathers certificates this way. >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> Regards >>> Hilary >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >

Hi Mike, Jane and Anne Thanks for your replies. Homer must have been in the missing bits. Mike, yes that is his parents marriage. I have just contacted the Wolverhampton archives to get a copy of their marriage. Thanks to all for taking the time to look for me. Much appreciated. Bev Kerang, Vic, Oz ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Bev > > this came up on Ancestry > Staffordshire: Wolverhampton - Registers of Marriages, 1735-1776 > 21 Aug 1758 Robert Silvester, bach. and Mary Homer, sp. L > > Mike Fisher in Droitwich >

Hello Everyone, Clerk in Civil Service.........I'm still a bit confused about this...... Does it mean someone worked for the Public? Like in Government or as a teacher etc. Could it mean someone worked for a company? I'm still trying to find my G Lee Grandparents. Thomas Lee in particular. I only know he was a Clerk in Civil Service. I have had this site bookmarked for some time. http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:RWSutZJKejAJ:www.bhi.co.uk/hj/HJ%2520Obituaries.htm+BHI,+Birmingham+England,+thomas+lee&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8 If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll figure out another way to enter that. anyway, there's a Mr Lee listed. Any thoughts on this? Vol 27 April 1885 112 Mr Lee Clerk of BHI B Kind Regards, Carol

Hello Rob At least thanks to the Commonwealth War Graves site I know the name of the ship he sailed on. I have managed to find where the ship sank so place of death would not be to difficult. I have found researching Sailors very different to Soldiers it must have been very difficult searching for airmen. My uncle was in the Air Force and I cared for him for several years and his stories were quite harrowing especially as a lot lost there lives on land as well as Airborne. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Williams" <robdwilliams@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate > John, > > In First World War all deaths on Western Front were listed as 'France & > Flanders' even though they usually knew exactly where a serviceman had > been > killed. The situation in 1940 was a lot more confused. Troops fought in > both France and Belgium and in the state of the nation post-Dunkirk the > authorities simply would not have known where everyone had died. > > Rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate > > >>I obtained a death certificate for my grandfather, who was killed >>defending >> withdrawing troops near Dunkirk. The certificate I got seemed brand new, >> and >> his place of death was given as "Belgium and France" - quite a feat. I >> don't think anyone making out a certificate at the time wouyld have made >> that mistake. Therefore, I concluded trhat a death certificate for a >> deceased serviceman was only made out when it was asked for >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate >> >> >>> Hello Hilary >>> >>> I have tried this site without any luck. I have tried Ancestry and the >>> GRO >>> I >>> am now wondering if a certificate was ever issued. Also because he was >>> in >>> the Merchant Navy I have found the records more difficult to find. >>> Thanks anyway. >>> Regards >>> Wendy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hilary Thomas" <family@mypandas.me.uk> >>> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death certificate >>> >>> >>>> Hi Wendy >>>> >>>> If you go to www.findmypast.com (was 1837 online) you can search for >>>> military death certificates. When you have the information the >>>> certificates >>>> are available from the GRO. >>>> >>>> I got my and my husband's grandfathers certificates this way. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Hilary >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>>> http://www.bham.de/ >>>> >>>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message