Try Google Maps, for exact info. A great site. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Davies" <jd2@sanger.ac.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: [B'ham] Lawley Street? >I have a marriage certificate with the address of Lawley Street > Bishops Ryder Birmingham. Can someone tell me where about this is as I > cannot find it on the map! > Thank > > Joy > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

According to my A-Z of Bham (admittedly 1980's) there is a Haden street in Sparkbrook, Birmingham. Try Google Maps, for a close-up. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Haden" <georgehaden@mac.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: [B'ham] Haden St. Birmingham > My GG Grandfather James Thomas HADEN ( Artist, Photographer) married > Elizabeth BURTON 12 Jun 1853 > St. Martin's, Birmingham,at ages 21 and 23 respectively. I understand > there is or was a street in Birmingham named Haden St. Does anyone > have knowledge of how Haden St. received it's name? is it connected > to my ancestor? Does it still exist? and are any of his Art or > Photographic works still in existence, I would be gratefull for your > input, > George > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joy, on my 1923 map ,Lawley St ran from Ashted Row to Garrison Lane. The cross roads were Gt Brook St Vauxhall Rd then under the railway Landor St then Garrison St to Garrison Lane. I used to work at the Co-op milk in Vauxhall Rd. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Davies" <jd2@sanger.ac.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [B'ham] Lawley Street? >I have a marriage certificate with the address of Lawley Street > Bishops Ryder Birmingham. Can someone tell me where about this is as I > cannot find it on the map! > Thank > > Joy > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Anne, Birmingham Boarding school ref. on 1881 Census is PRO Ref: RG11 2979 Folio 1. Page 1. Birmingham library did not think it was anything to the Blue Coat School. Looking either side (Resource File Viewer) the Streets shown on either side are Fordrough St, and Ann St. somewhere in the area of Colmore Row. I think but am not sure that it was a Fee Paying School. Cheers Pauline -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Peat Sent: 23 November 2006 13:44 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Cc: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] birmingham boarding school Can you give us the page reference so that we can look at the original? That might give some more clues. Anne On 23 Nov 2006, at 09:56, J hodge wrote: > > Hi List > > I have a person who may be one of my rellies in the 1881 census , the > street address was listed just as birmingham boarding school, the > rellie > was listed as a boarder aged 13. > > Where was this school and what was it , a correctional or fee paying > school. > > gary hodge > > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Listers, I have made use of the free trial of Ancestry.com and found a few family members that have been eluding me for a number of years. I have now hit a problem: I have found Caroline SURMAN RG10; Piece 3049; Folio 7; Page 7 she is aged 53 a widow. Residing with her are Caroline BEACH (servant), Henry BIRT (nephew), John HUNT (servant)and Jane SMITH (servant). Under the house number of 30 is written Lamb & Flag. Here is where the problem starts, when I looked back at the 1861 Census I can not find this family. Caroline was married to Thomas Surman. I was told he was an Innkeeper for a few years at the same mentioned Inn. In the house next door at number 31 in 1871 there is a family belonging to Matilda S Surman, also a widow. Is the name Surman a common name for this time and area? Thanking you all for your time. Melissa in Australia.

Thomas Surman was a Troop Sergeant Major in the 14th he was awarded thr Peninsular medal with the bars for the battles of Orthes and Toulouse. My ancestor William NEWMAN was also a Troop Sergeant Major in the 14th and retired in 1835 to spend the rest of his life in New John Street West, Birmingham. It is possible, knowing his Name and regiment to get a copy of his papers (I think from PRO ) which will not only give full details of his army career but also will give you a description of him, fascinating. -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John S Sermon Sent: 24 November 2006 12:20 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Surman family from Warwickshire, 1871 Census Thomas was born 1795 in Inkberrow Worcestershire the son of Thomas (a Baker) + ElizabethSURMAN (nee PAYTON) He Served in the 14th Dragoons 1813 until 1835 when he was discharged a Chelsea Out-Pensioner He married Caroline BIRCH of Solihull in 1836, they had no children and kept the Lamb and Flag in the Tything in Worcester where his widow continued until she died in 1880 aged 64 What Thomas did during his time in the Cavalry I have not researched but I know he was married and presumably had children but it would be necessary to look in the War Office archives at the National Archives in Kew for the records of the 14th Dragoons I have never been able to find out why he died in Bideford in Devon inn 1872 aged 77? His sisters were Bakers and ran a Bakery next door in the Tything Matilda was the widow of his brother James who was born in 1807 and died in 1869 There was a large family in Worcester all related and descended from William who lived in Eldersfield in 1460, my ancestor also Surman Street is virtually opposite behind Kays the Mail Order Company, now converted into flats John S Sermon Chairman of the S*rm*n Family History Society -- John Sermon NDD FCSD general consultant designer 24 Monks Walk, EVESHAM, Worcestershire WR11 4SL (0)1386 49 967 07702 440 891 design@johnsermon.demon.co.uk www.johnsermon.demon.co.uk _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 15:22

WAs it the hugh wallis batch number site??? RaKay >From: Michele Le Resche <michele.leresche@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >Subject: [B'ham] [BHAM] A slight problem not specifically B'ham. >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:29:35 +0000 > >I had to reset my browser the other day and I have obviously had to >start rebuilding all my bookmarks. > >I used to go to a site that showed individual church parish records >by actual church all over the UK,( C of E and others of all types,) >and you could search them for family names etc. >Not a roots web one by surname. > >Anyone any ideas as to where I found it? > >I had thought it was related to the IGI site but no. > >Michele >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. http://ideas.live.com

Many thanks to Wendy for your help. Joy

Thomas was born 1795 in Inkberrow Worcestershire the son of Thomas (a Baker) + ElizabethSURMAN (nee PAYTON) He Served in the 14th Dragoons 1813 until 1835 when he was discharged a Chelsea Out-Pensioner He married Caroline BIRCH of Solihull in 1836, they had no children and kept the Lamb and Flag in the Tything in Worcester where his widow continued until she died in 1880 aged 64 What Thomas did during his time in the Cavalry I have not researched but I know he was married and presumably had children but it would be necessary to look in the War Office archives at the National Archives in Kew for the records of the 14th Dragoons I have never been able to find out why he died in Bideford in Devon inn 1872 aged 77? His sisters were Bakers and ran a Bakery next door in the Tything Matilda was the widow of his brother James who was born in 1807 and died in 1869 There was a large family in Worcester all related and descended from William who lived in Eldersfield in 1460, my ancestor also Surman Street is virtually opposite behind Kays the Mail Order Company, now converted into flats John S Sermon Chairman of the S*rm*n Family History Society -- John Sermon NDD FCSD general consultant designer 24 Monks Walk, EVESHAM, Worcestershire WR11 4SL (0)1386 49 967 07702 440 891 design@johnsermon.demon.co.uk www.johnsermon.demon.co.uk

My GG Grandfather James Thomas HADEN ( Artist, Photographer) married Elizabeth BURTON 12 Jun 1853 St. Martin's, Birmingham,at ages 21 and 23 respectively. I understand there is or was a street in Birmingham named Haden St. Does anyone have knowledge of how Haden St. received it's name? is it connected to my ancestor? Does it still exist? and are any of his Art or Photographic works still in existence, I would be gratefull for your input, George

Gary I agree with the others , that the School would be " Blue Coat School ". The other one I thought it might be was King Edward's, but was in New Street. hth Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J hodge Sent: Friday, 24 November 2006 11:13 a.m. To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham boarding school Hi Helen Somebody sent me a 1881 census copy ,,I could have done this myself off my discs, but anyway ,the street address is just birmingham boarding school , the sub-district is St Thomas. Someone else said the enumeration page was missing ,Not sure what he meant by that, but thought it maybe the bluecoat charity school I have had look at that and boarding schools ,but no wiser. gary hodge Helen Verrall wrote: > Gary > > Have you the Street address - several Boarding Schools or similar > establishments in Birmingham by that date. > > Helen > New Zealand > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J hodge > Sent: Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:57 p.m. > To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B'ham] birmingham boarding school > > > Hi List > > I have a person who may be one of my rellies in the 1881 census , the > street address was listed just as birmingham boarding school, the rellie > was listed as a boarder aged 13. > > Where was this school and what was it , a correctional or fee paying school. > > gary hodge > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 3:22 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 3:22 p.m.

Reference to Colmore row and Ann st support the school being the Blue Coat. Bryan Slim >Hi Anne, >Birmingham Boarding school ref. on 1881 Census is PRO Ref: RG11 2979 >Folio 1. Page 1. Birmingham library did not think it was anything to >the Blue Coat School. Looking either side (Resource File Viewer) the >Streets shown on either side are Fordrough St, and Ann St. somewhere in the >area of Colmore Row. I think but am not sure that it was a Fee Paying >School. >Cheers >Pauline > > >-----Original Message----- >From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Peat >Sent: 23 November 2006 13:44 >To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >Cc: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [B'ham] birmingham boarding school > >Can you give us the page reference so that we can look at the original? >That might give some more clues. >Anne >On 23 Nov 2006, at 09:56, J hodge wrote: > >> >> Hi List >> >> I have a person who may be one of my rellies in the 1881 census , the >> street address was listed just as birmingham boarding school, the >> rellie >> was listed as a boarder aged 13. >> >> Where was this school and what was it , a correctional or fee paying >> school. >> >> gary hodge >> >> > >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message

Gary Have you the Street address - several Boarding Schools or similar establishments in Birmingham by that date. Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J hodge Sent: Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:57 p.m. To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] birmingham boarding school Hi List I have a person who may be one of my rellies in the 1881 census , the street address was listed just as birmingham boarding school, the rellie was listed as a boarder aged 13. Where was this school and what was it , a correctional or fee paying school. gary hodge _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/543 - Release Date: 20/11/2006 9:20 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 3:22 p.m.

Hi Melissa, In the 1861 Ancestry census Caroline is indexed as TURMAN. I've sent you the image off list. Barb Stacey Solihull UK > Here is where the problem starts, when I looked back at the 1861 Census I > can not find this family. Caroline was married to Thomas Surman. I was > told he was an Innkeeper for a few years at the same mentioned Inn.<

Hi Joy Bishop Ryder was a Church in Gem Street in the Ashted area of Aston. Lawley Street was in Aston. Have a look here http://www.astonbrook-through-astonmanor.co.uk/id95.htm Regards Wendy Partridge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Davies" <jd2@sanger.ac.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: [B'ham] Lawley Street? >I have a marriage certificate with the address of Lawley Street > Bishops Ryder Birmingham. Can someone tell me where about this is as I > cannot find it on the map! > Thank > > Joy > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a marriage certificate with the address of Lawley Street Bishops Ryder Birmingham. Can someone tell me where about this is as I cannot find it on the map! Thank Joy

My Mother and brothers attended the bluecoat schoolin the late 1930's and it was not a fee paying school then. My mother went there after her father had died. I think the Bluecoat schools were set up to help orphaned children.

Hi Helen Somebody sent me a 1881 census copy ,,I could have done this myself off my discs, but anyway ,the street address is just birmingham boarding school , the sub-district is St Thomas. Someone else said the enumeration page was missing ,Not sure what he meant by that, but thought it maybe the bluecoat charity school I have had look at that and boarding schools ,but no wiser. gary hodge Helen Verrall wrote: > Gary > > Have you the Street address - several Boarding Schools or similar > establishments in Birmingham by that date. > > Helen > New Zealand > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J hodge > Sent: Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:57 p.m. > To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B'ham] birmingham boarding school > > > Hi List > > I have a person who may be one of my rellies in the 1881 census , the > street address was listed just as birmingham boarding school, the rellie > was listed as a boarder aged 13. > > Where was this school and what was it , a correctional or fee paying school. > > gary hodge > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

A prestigious school now in Harborne. You have to be very gifted to get there, as well as have money!! Michele

Hello Both I do not know much about the Blue Coat School except its still there. Have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Coat_School Sorry I could not help more Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY MICHAEL GIBBONS" <ampg@61stanleyrd.freeserve.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham boarding school > Hi Gary, > I also have one of my rellies at the Birmingham Boarding School in 1881. > I went to Birmingham Library and they could not help as they have no > records > for it, but it may be worth trying again. Also I posted a message to the > list and unfortunately got no replies perhaps you may have better luck. > Cheers > Pauline > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J Hodge > Sent: 23 November 2006 09:57 > To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B'ham] Birmingham boarding school > > > Hi List > > I have a person who may be one of my rellies in the 1881 census, the > street address was listed just as Birmingham boarding school, the rellie > was listed as a boarder aged 13. > > Where was this school and what was it, a correctional or fee paying > school? > > gary hodge > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message