Hi List Further to my earlier posting for a look-up, can anyone tell me how you can post rellies, to ancestry without joining , I am hoping that I may get it for a christmas prezzy , but I am unemployed aged 60 , and no chance of work as foreigners have taken over the building trade, and living on my wifes pensions. Gary hodge

Hi List Can anyone with ancestery , please invite or locate a email address for this mention on ancestry.com. New Member Invite this person to use connection service. <http://www.ancestry.co.uk/CB/Invite.aspx?snid=17724412&dbid=sn&nlid=&returnpage=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ancestry.co.uk%2fcommunity%2fresearchers.aspx%3f%26fn%3dagatha%26ln%3drogers>Invite <http://www.ancestry.co.uk/CB/Invite.aspx?snid=17724412&dbid=sn&nlid=&returnpage=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ancestry.co.uk%2fcommunity%2fresearchers.aspx%3f%26fn%3dagatha%26ln%3drogers> Added information in OneWorldTree^sm : Name: Alice Agatha Rogers Birth: 1898 - Yardley Birmingham, Hay Mill, Worcestershire, England Death: 1986 - Birmingham, Yardley, Warwickshire, England 31 Mar 2006 Thanking you. gary hodge

I have Maria Taylor my GG Grandmother b. abt 1812 who married Thomas CLARK b. abt 1810 m. abt abt 1834 m. who lived at Northwood St. in the Parish of All Saints, Birmingham, That is the only Taylor I have so I do not know if we have a link, it would be great if we did. Thanks for your response, George Haden i Salt Lake City, Utah, USA On Nov 27, 2006, at 10:23 AM, CarolACox@aol.com wrote: > I'm looking for Thomas Edward Taylor, born in Birmingham abt 1864, > son of > Francis Richard Taylor (according to his marriage certificate). He > married Sarah > Gannon in Birmingham on 1 Oct 1888 and died 29 May 1906. Both > Thomas and his > father worked in the gun trade. Any clues would be greatly > appreciated. > Carol Cox in Denver, Colorado, USA > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- > BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI List I have a chap who married a rellie, after her husband died , I am only just starting this line . His Name was Samuel Bradnock COLLINS , who married a mary ann ROGERS (nee, SNEAD), first husband george henry ROGERS. Marriage from about 1900, or later , as I have to find george rogers death first, I have a photo of the couple. I have done a basic search for Samuel COLLINS ,and found two marriages for that name 1890,s early 1900,s, but not married to a ROGERS, if this is the same chap who I am looking for he was on his third wife when he married Mary ann ROGERS . Any Connections etc. gary hodge

Sorry Chris I have nothing yet - just spent a fortune on certs for the other side of the family to solve a particular problem so any more will have to wait until after the silly season! It was the particular spelling which caught my eye. I continue to live in hope! Regards Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Chris Rampling Attention Please! RE BARRATT > On 25 Nov, Marlene Shipman <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> wrote: >> Kia Ora Chris I notice you have BARRATT in your family tree. I am >> tracking my great grandparents's family forward from 1878 when the olds >> emigrated to New Zealand. (Going backwards was a dream in comparison !!) >> >From the GRO List I have a DOROTHY A. BARRATT who married Sept Qtr >> >1921 in Stafford to JAMES BYRNE. They appear to have had a child Mary >> >A. Byrne June Qtr 1922 in Stafford. >> Any chance of a connection? Or do you have any information which might >> give me some clues??? I have part of James's family back to the 1780s to >> swap if you are interested! Happy to discuss off list. Regards Marlene >> in New Zealand > > Hi Marlene > > Sorry I'm afraid my grandmother Dorothy Maud FELLOWS married Joseph > Benjamin BARRATT in 1921 in Birmingham. I have Joseph's line back to the > 1700's in Mayo, so I don't think there's a connection - unless you have > Dorothy's parents there? > > Take care > > -- > Chris Pampling > researching: > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, > MAHER > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present > VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pauline Now I had not thought for a moment that you were going mad <g> This little exercise has been quite interesting, despite the fact that it started on a false premise :-) Its also been interesting finding out about the Blue Coat Schools of which there were many, it was not the only School system of its type either. In the search for information I came across the following two books http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18821/18821.txt http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13926/13926-8.txt I suspect they have been mentioned before on this list but for those who have not read them I would recommend a peek (project Gutenberg is free) With regard to your comment that there were possibly children staying at that or any school overnight, its also worth remembering that some institutions (Hospitals/Asylums for example) only enumerated the initials of the person/patient. It was also brought up on another list that some had the name reversed and that may have been carried through in any transcription. So worth checking for surname in the forename field and vice versa. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Well at least you can see that I am not going mad! > > I picked up a book at bedtime to do with Birmingham which I am re-reading > and although the chapter was to do with how Birmingham developed, the Blue > Coat School was mentioned. > It was a boarding school, so it would not have been uninhabited at all. > > The Blue Coat Charity School was an Anglican Foundation to provide > education > for the children of poorer families in the town who could not afford the > fees of King Edward's. Essentially its purpose was to provide the growing > town with a small army of apprentices and domestics, raised in 'godliness > and good learning'. It admitted girls as well. Blue Coat moved to > Harborne > in 1930 and is now a wealthy and well-respected private school. > > It has occurred to me that some of us with members of the families missing > on census night might have a child at this school, whereas we would be > expecting them to be home? > > Pauline

Hi James, On the Fiche I found a note that there's a Bronze Plaque inside the Church to a Stephen J. Blocksidge. Unfortunately it does not provide details of what's on the Plaque. Also there are two entries for a Susannah Blocksidge who died on 20 August 1874, aged 69, and a Joseph Blocksidge who died on 21 December 1877, Aged 73. I hope this helps... certainly a pity it does not say anything about the details for Stephen Blocksidge Plaque, other then it exists.. most annoying.. Regards David JAMES BROOKES wrote: Good morning, I wonder if you could have a look at the name Stephen BLOCKSIDGE in your fiche for St Mary's, Handsworth? The only information I have for him is that he was married at St. Martin's in 1793 to Nancy TRICKETT. Regards James

Hi Gary, I am one person who had a Thomas James Hill at Birmingham Boarding School. I find your Christian names interesting as I had a Francis Elizabeth Birkin who married one of my Hill's and on each census she is either Elizabeth or Fanny and then she went back to her given name. More curious though I have a surname change I have a Charles Robinson who married an Ellen Belfield. On the 1851 census he is a Robinson and then 1861/1871/1881 he is Charles Walker, he died in 1886 and Ellen went back to being a Robinson. Talk about confusion in family history luckily for me they didn't have any children (I hope still checking) I would not wish this on other family historians. Like you I love these interesting Arguments. Cheers Pauline. -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J Hodge Sent: 26 November 2006 10:22 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Original enquirer of Boarding schools Hi List I have kept out of this topic , cos it seems I am out of my depth against fellow listers, interesting Arguments ,(pun), its nice too see a bit of rivalry on a list in a sensible manner. However back to my original posting , my research name was George, (Henry assumed) ROGERS abt 1868 aged 13 on census 1881. Who if the one i want would have been born Shropshire, but this chap is the only one i can find that fits anywhere , if this is him ,he reversed his name to Henry George ROGERS on marriage , he married in hay mills Yardley, which was in Worcestershire at that time in 1894 , aged 27 , a screw maker , father named John ROGERS , a blacksmith. In 1901 he is now George ROGERS abt 1868, and states birthplace as kettle bank Shropshire ,he is now 33years old , this person is correct as all his children are right names /ages and the fact that one of them is my grandmother. Incidentally if anyone can provide his occupation in 1901 , that would help me . Hoping this will lead to another discussion!!. Gary Hodge _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, I am new to this list and seeking assistance please. On the marriage certificate of William HAYWOOD to Hannah CHINN (St Philips, Birmingham 1846) William's father is shown as William Haywood, Gun Maker. I am wondering if it will be possible to find out more about him by his occupation? Any suggestions gratefully received and I would like to hear from anyone who knows any more about this family. Hannah was the daughter of William Chinn, Gardener. (I have found Wm Chinn in censuses 1841 - 71, William and Hannah 1851 onwards but have not been able to find William Haywood, father or son, in 1841) Thanks, Victoria

Hello, For information, there is a collection of old photographs for sale on eBay from the above family. I have no connection. I like to see photographs back with family. I just put Birmingham in the search engine. Regards Wendy Partridge

Hi Gary Here is an example where posting full details would have saved a lot of time <g> If the George in 1901 you mention is definitely yours, he is with his parents in 1881 at RG11 3049 32 12 Living in Aston aged 13 (father John is a Bicycle Blacksmith) He is enumerated as born in Wombridge Shropshire (Ketley is about 1 mile away) Here is the family in 1871 RG10 3907 8 9 (1871) Gandys? Walk Warrington Lancs John V? ROGERS head mar 24 Blacksmith Cow Wood Salop Agatha " wife " 23 Ketley Bank Salop George " son S 3 Scholar Ketley Bank Salop Eliza " dau S 1 Ketley Bank Salop This is Agatha in 1901 RG13 2860 138 19 (1901) Agatha ROGERS head wid 54 charwoman Ketley Bank Shropshire Benjamin " son S 19 Gun?(Gin?:-)finisher Birmingham Warks Harry " " S 14 Brass Filer Birmingham Warks Sarah PHONES? Visitor? S 24 Cyclechain Wheel maker ???ord Wolverhampton If you would like the pages for George 1901, Agatha 1901, family 1871 & 1881 just shout Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Hi List > > I have kept out of this topic , cos it seems I am out of my depth > against fellow listers, interesting Arguements ,(pun), its nice too see > a bit of rivalry on a list in a sensibile manner. > > However back to my original posting , my research name was george, > (henry assumed) ROGERS abt 1868 aged 13 on census 1881. > Who if the one i want would have been born shropshire, but this chap is > the only one i can find that fits anywhere , if this is him ,he reversed > his name to henry george ROGERS on marriage , he married in hay mills > yardley, which was in worcestershire at that time in 1894 , aged 27 , > a screwmaker , father named John ROGERS , a blacksmith. > > In 1901 he is now George ROGERS abt 1868, and states birthplace as > ketley bank shropshire ,he is now 33years old , this person is correct > as all his children are right names /ages and the fact that one of them > is my grandmother. > Incidentley if anyone can provide his occupation in 1901 , that would > help me . > > Hoping this will lead to another discussion!!. > > gary hodge

San On my 1923 map I can tell you that Albert Rd ran from Mansfield Rd (which was just down from Five Ways) across Witton Rd and down to Witton Lane running Parallel with Victoria Rd. Thomas St was near Aston Cross ran from Phillips St to Park Lane. Alot of theis area was demolished for the expressway but Thomas St runs alongside the Aston Expressway. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALAN FIELD" <afield.family@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:34 PM Subject: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > Hello List, > Would anyone know whether Albert road in Aston Manor is still there. > Also whether any of the houses have been demolished. > Also thomas street as anyone heard of this and where was it located can > not find it on old maps. > Many thanks! > San > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Listers - The subject matter of this post isn't Birmingham-specific, so if anyone has any advice they wish to send Sue, please do so off list - I have already done so. I'm always willing to be contacted in the event a lister has a non-Birmingham-specific query - I'll try & help - or suggest other places to ask. Wendy B'ham List Admin

Kia Ora Chris I notice you have BARRATT in your family tree. I am tracking my great grandparents's family forward from 1878 when the olds emigrated to New Zealand. (Going backwards was a dream in comparison !!) >From the GRO List I have a DOROTHY A. BARRATT who married Sept Qtr 1921 in Stafford to JAMES BYRNE. They appear to have had a child Mary A. Byrne June Qtr 1922 in Stafford. Any chance of a connection? Or do you have any information which might give me some clues??? I have part of James's family back to the 1780s to swap if you are interested! Happy to discuss off list. Regards Marlene in New Zealand

Am researching subject names Birmingham, any connections? George

Hi List I have kept out of this topic , cos it seems I am out of my depth against fellow listers, interesting Arguements ,(pun), its nice too see a bit of rivalry on a list in a sensibile manner. However back to my original posting , my research name was george, (henry assumed) ROGERS abt 1868 aged 13 on census 1881. Who if the one i want would have been born shropshire, but this chap is the only one i can find that fits anywhere , if this is him ,he reversed his name to henry george ROGERS on marriage , he married in hay mills yardley, which was in worcestershire at that time in 1894 , aged 27 , a screwmaker , father named John ROGERS , a blacksmith. In 1901 he is now George ROGERS abt 1868, and states birthplace as ketley bank shropshire ,he is now 33years old , this person is correct as all his children are right names /ages and the fact that one of them is my grandmother. Incidentley if anyone can provide his occupation in 1901 , that would help me . Hoping this will lead to another discussion!!. gary hodge

Hi Nivard Well at least you can see that I am not going mad! I picked up a book at bedtime to do with Birmingham which I am re-reading and although the chapter was to do with how Birmingham developed, the Blue Coat School was mentioned. It was a boarding school, so it would not have been uninhabited at all. The Blue Coat Charity School was an Anglican Foundation to provide education for the children of poorer families in the town who could not afford the fees of King Edward's. Essentially its purpose was to provide the growing town with a small army of apprentices and domestics, raised in 'godliness and good learning'. It admitted girls as well. Blue Coat moved to Harborne in 1930 and is now a wealthy and well-respected private school. It has occurred to me that some of us with members of the families missing on census night might have a child at this school, whereas we would be expecting them to be home? Pauline

On 25 Nov, Marlene Shipman <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Kia Ora Chris I notice you have BARRATT in your family tree. I am > tracking my great grandparents's family forward from 1878 when the olds > emigrated to New Zealand. (Going backwards was a dream in comparison !!) > >From the GRO List I have a DOROTHY A. BARRATT who married Sept Qtr > >1921 in Stafford to JAMES BYRNE. They appear to have had a child Mary > >A. Byrne June Qtr 1922 in Stafford. > Any chance of a connection? Or do you have any information which might > give me some clues??? I have part of James's family back to the 1780s to > swap if you are interested! Happy to discuss off list. Regards Marlene > in New Zealand Hi Marlene Sorry I'm afraid my grandmother Dorothy Maud FELLOWS married Joseph Benjamin BARRATT in 1921 in Birmingham. I have Joseph's line back to the 1700's in Mayo, so I don't think there's a connection - unless you have Dorothy's parents there? Take care -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Dear Victoria I have William Haywood = Hannah Chinn on my tree. Perhaps we can exchange details? Regards Peter Turner Victoria Wisternoff <hatrick@xtra.co.nz> wrote: Dear Listers, I am new to this list and seeking assistance please. On the marriage certificate of William HAYWOOD to Hannah CHINN (St Philips, Birmingham 1846) William's father is shown as William Haywood, Gun Maker. I am wondering if it will be possible to find out more about him by his occupation? Any suggestions gratefully received and I would like to hear from anyone who knows any more about this family. Hannah was the daughter of William Chinn, Gardener. (I have found Wm Chinn in censuses 1841 - 71, William and Hannah 1851 onwards but have not been able to find William Haywood, father or son, in 1841) Thanks, Victoria _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine

Hi again Pauline Well I now see where you are finding "Uninhabited", I am using the original enumerators books rather than a transcription such as the LDS CDs (which I also have) On the Cd it appears like this Building: Blue Coat Schools UNINHABITED Census Place: Birmingham, Warwick, England Source: FHL Film 1341713 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2979 Folio 4 Page 2 (which is the page where it would be enumerated if it were not an institution) I can assure you that on the original page the space for Uninhabited is blank. If you would like a copy of the page I can mail one so you can see for yourself. The word uninhabited has been entered in the transcription whereas it does not figure on the page. Now to bring it back to the original enquirers posting (who is noticeable by his absence <g>) >I have a person who may be one of my rellies in the 1881 census , the >street address was listed just as birmingham boarding school, the rellie >was listed as a boarder aged 13. >Where was this school and what was it , a correctional or fee paying >school. (we could do with the persons name to make sure its the same place we are talking about) The entry with that street address is listed as "unknown institution" has 145 persons enumerated and is listed as follows RG11 2979 1 1 Civil parish: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Birmingham Boarding School Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: Unknown Institution It is 6 pages long and is on an Institution schedule (which are different to the household schedule and appear at the end of an enumeration section). In the schedule above, the secretary, head teacher, matron and a schoolmistress are as follows 1881 RG11 2979 1 1 Henry Price 58 Secretary and steward George Simmonds DUNN (BA) 44 Eliza Emma ARNOLD Matron 36 Bessie GREEN schoolmistress 36 St Thomas District Unknown Institution ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Going to 1891 for George Simmonds DUNN we find 1891 RG12 2379 122 1 William Edward BOLTON Secretary George Simmonds DUNN 54 Schoolmaster Lizzie Emma ARNOLD 48 Matron Bessie GREEN 47 schoolmistress Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: The Blue Coat School Birmingham ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And going back to 1871 we find 1871 RG10 3112 90 1 Henry PRICE 48 Secretary and Steward George Simmonds DUNN 34 Master Bessie GREEN school mistress 26 St Philip District Blue Coat Charity School ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ With each section in the census there is a header page which describes the scope of the area it covers, usually it would list the streets/roads etc, in the case of Institutions (which were the likes of Workhouses, Hospitals, Barracks, Asylums and Schools) the header page gave the name of the Institution. It is this page that is missing in 1881. However your local knowledge may shed more light on the following In 1871 it states Blue Coat Charity School, Monmouth Street City or Municipal Borough of Birmingham Municipal Ward of St Peter Ecclesiastical Ward of St Phillip In 1881 no header page but under Birmingham St Thomas In 1891 Registration District : Birmingham Registration Sub-District : St Thomas Name : The Blue Coat School Birmingham Description : a Charity School for Boys and Girls Where Situated : St Phillips Churchyard Colmore Row Civil Parish of : B'ham Municipal Borough of : B'ham Municipal Ward of : Market Hall Urban Sanitary District of : B'ham Town : City of Birmingham Parliamentary Borough or Division of : Central Ecclesiastical Parish or District of : St Phillip It seems that the School moved between 1871 and 1881 although the staff remained largely the same but you may have better knowledge of that? The wording Charity School is a little misleading, there were quite a few Blue Coat Schools around the Country and were mostly run by donations from local people/businesses, the first 40 to 50 pupils were taught for free the remainder paid a penny a week or whatever the rate was at the time. If you try http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ Enter 406979,287096 and select co-ordinates it will take you to the area on an O/S map of around 1893, zoom in and you will see the Blue Coat School in the area by St Phillips Church next to or on Colmore Row As I have said previously I do not dispute its location or your local knowledge but the evidence above shows it was most likely the Blue Coat School in 1881. If you would like a copy of any of the pages let me know Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK)