Hi My thanks to Wendy, Peter, Nivard, Jane, & Michael you've certainly given me plenty to work with. I know it's a long shot, fortunately he was one of the lucky ones that survived, had he not, it seems it would be easier to get info Thanks again for your time Gina

Search Google for (Pickards Pink Pages) it will take you there, great site! George On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:14 PM, IWells wrote: > Hello: > Could you kindly send me the website for Pickards Pink Pages as my > Aunt LILY > BURLTON had a son, JOHN BURLTON, born in Aston, Birmingham, in > 1917 and > there was no father listed on the birth certificate. > Thank you > Isobel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Haden" <georgehaden@mac.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] birth certificate information > > >> Look in Pickards Pink Pages for a List of bastardly orders >> >> On Nov 29, 2006, at 6:51 AM, JANE DYER wrote: >> >>> I have a similar problem in that my great grandfather was >>> illegitemate. Someone suggested looking up the bastardy orders >>> which I expect are held in Birmingham Central Library. >>> J >>> >>> Ken Poole <kpoole01@rochester.rr.com> wrote: >>> Thanks Pete, thats what I have except there is no father listed >>> (illegitimate birth) so it hard to triangulate - father - marriage - >>> mother, >>> I must have five likely candidates who could be the mother and >>> without a >>> birthdate or something factual to help identify >>> her it becomes an educated guess, a genealogist nightmare. >>> Ken >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pete Hulme" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:48 AM >>> Subject: Re: [B'ham] birth certificate information >>> >>> >>>> Hi Ken, >>>> The full certificates that I have give the date of birth, the >>>> address of the birth, name of the baby and the name and maiden >>>> name of >>>> the mother. I've never seen one that gave the mother's age, >>>> that's on >>>> marriage certificates. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Pete >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> Hi Listers >>>> Is it common that mother's on birth certificates from the 1890's >>>> are >>>> only identified by their name >>>> but not address or birthdate? or do I have a shortened format. >>>> Otherwise I have a name shared by >>>> many others at that time. >>>> Cheers >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>>> http://www.bham.de/ >>>> >>>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- >>> admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- >>> BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- >>> admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- >>> BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- > BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ken, I know what you mean about the educated guess, it is a really conundrum. If you have five candidates that might be the mother, you can use marriage records and the census to maybe eliminate a few. 1) The birth certificate will give an address for the birth, which is likely to be the home and can be cross referenced with the nearest census before and after. 2) Look for marriages of the candidate before the birth, which would change the mother's surname and eliminate them, and look for confirmation in the next census under the married names. 3) Look for marriages for the candidates after the birth and then look in the next census under the married name to see if the mother and the illegitimate child appear. One tip here is that, if the child from they man she eventually married, the child will often convert to the new husband's name, but if not the child will retain the mother's maiden name, even though living with mother and new husband. I've used technique 3 in tracing my family and successfully linked a woman in through the son who retained the maiden name. Be careful though, as I think the name change is just informal, not a hard rule. Good luck, Pete Hulme -----Original Message----- I must have five likely candidates who could be the mother and without a birthdate or something factual to help identify her it becomes an educated guess, a genealogist nightmare. Ken

I have a similar problem in that my great grandfather was illegitemate. Someone suggested looking up the bastardy orders which I expect are held in Birmingham Central Library. J Ken Poole <kpoole01@rochester.rr.com> wrote: Thanks Pete, thats what I have except there is no father listed (illegitimate birth) so it hard to triangulate - father - marriage -mother, I must have five likely candidates who could be the mother and without a birthdate or something factual to help identify her it becomes an educated guess, a genealogist nightmare. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] birth certificate information > Hi Ken, > The full certificates that I have give the date of birth, the > address of the birth, name of the baby and the name and maiden name of > the mother. I've never seen one that gave the mother's age, that's on > marriage certificates. > > Cheers, > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > Hi Listers > Is it common that mother's on birth certificates from the 1890's are > only identified by their name > but not address or birthdate? or do I have a shortened format. > Otherwise I have a name shared by > many others at that time. > Cheers > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I have lived in Australia for 37 yrs, I used to deliver milk to Upper Thomas St Upper Sutton St Clifton Rd Tower Rd in 1950-1951, we used to start at the co-op shops at Aston Cross, can you tell me how much of the buildings are left now? Appreciate it. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "John K Colin" <jkcolin@johnkenneth.freeserve.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > Hi San, > > Nearly all of Albert Road remains as it was, the only part of it which has > gone, are the house's from the Park Road to Upper Thomas Street which I > think are the higher numbers, > > Thomas Street also remains but not the house's, this area was redeveloped > the late 1960's early 70's...... > > > > > > > From: "Kenneth William Bibb" <kbibb@bigpond.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:19 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > > >> San >> On my 1923 map I can tell you that Albert Rd ran from Mansfield Rd (which >> was just down from Five Ways) across Witton Rd and down to Witton Lane >> running Parallel with Victoria Rd. Thomas St was near Aston Cross ran >> from >> Phillips St to Park Lane. Alot of theis area was demolished for the >> expressway but Thomas St runs alongside the Aston Expressway. >> >> Ken B >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ALAN FIELD" <afield.family@btopenworld.com> >> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:34 PM >> Subject: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor >> >> >>> Hello List, >>> Would anyone know whether Albert road in Aston Manor is still there. >>> Also whether any of the houses have been demolished. >>> Also thomas street as anyone heard of this and where was it located can >>> not find it on old maps. >>> Many thanks! >>> San >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kenneth In one word NONE, Even some of the streets have gone.....Aston Cross has changed totally, the side were the library was is almost the same, the otherside of rocky lane I thick that only the old TV studio and post office remains, Ansells has long gone, the HP will be that way soon I expect......Upper Thomas Street from Parklane to Tower Road is still there, but there are not houses just the offices of HP, plus on the other side runs the Aston Express way, you cannot enter Upper Thomas Street because of a large gate which is locked, Tower Road from Aston Cross is now the entrance to the HP, Upper Sutton Street is still there, but nothing like it was, Sutton Street has changed direction, it now run from Parklane into what was the Retreat, Wilkinson Street, Upper Webster Street and joins Parliament Street where Parliament Street use to meet Upper Webster Street, I don't think Clifton Road is there any more, the only part of Tower Road is that stretch from Upper Sutton Street to Upper Thomas Street, again no houses, the side where the vinegar vaults were is now the back end of a garden centre, the other side I think is a junior and infant school. I will just add that if you cross Victoria Road, Bevington Road, Albert Road, Frederick Road and most of the others are almost still intact..........Hope this has been of some help Kenneth, a good web site to visit is www.astonbrook-through-astonmanor.co.uk Regards John K Colin (aston born and bred) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth William Bibb" <kbibb@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > John, > I have lived in Australia for 37 yrs, I used to deliver milk to Upper > Thomas > St Upper Sutton St Clifton Rd Tower Rd in 1950-1951, we used to start at > the > co-op shops at Aston Cross, can you tell me how much of the buildings are > left now? > Appreciate it. Ken B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John K Colin" <jkcolin@johnkenneth.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > > >> Hi San, >> >> Nearly all of Albert Road remains as it was, the only part of it which >> has >> gone, are the house's from the Park Road to Upper Thomas Street which I >> think are the higher numbers, >> >> Thomas Street also remains but not the house's, this area was redeveloped >> the late 1960's early 70's...... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Kenneth William Bibb" <kbibb@bigpond.com> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor >> >> >>> San >>> On my 1923 map I can tell you that Albert Rd ran from Mansfield Rd >>> (which >>> was just down from Five Ways) across Witton Rd and down to Witton Lane >>> running Parallel with Victoria Rd. Thomas St was near Aston Cross ran >>> from >>> Phillips St to Park Lane. Alot of theis area was demolished for the >>> expressway but Thomas St runs alongside the Aston Expressway. >>> >>> Ken B >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "ALAN FIELD" <afield.family@btopenworld.com> >>> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:34 PM >>> Subject: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor >>> >>> >>>> Hello List, >>>> Would anyone know whether Albert road in Aston Manor is still there. >>>> Also whether any of the houses have been demolished. >>>> Also thomas street as anyone heard of this and where was it located >>>> can >>>> not find it on old maps. >>>> Many thanks! >>>> San >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>>> http://www.bham.de/ >>>> >>>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>>The question is, would her real father have been Thomas or Bayliss, and >>which would have been the step-father? Does anybody know if there was a >>convention in those days for what was written on marriage certificates? >>Any help would be welcome.<<Andrew Hi Andrew, Giving her the benefit of the doubt, her first husband could have been a Mr. Thomas, since it say 'formerly' rather than 'nee.' Okay it says 'spinster' on her marriage certificate rather than 'widow' or 'relict' but back then spinster was an 'unmarried woman of gentle family' in my Websters. It would clarify her position, especially if Papa Bayliss was a gentleman. Regards, Sarah Reveley in sunny mild Texas seeking Croughtons in Birmingham Reveleys in Cumberland UK and America http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/rvly

Hi All, The various notes make interesting reading. I was born at 12/129 Clifton Road, (our little back to back) Aston and lived there until we were bombed on the night of 26 October 1940. The only bit of Clifton Road left is about 600 yards of the road at the end where it runs into Upper Sutton Street. I was last there in 1998 and recall some sort of Institute at the side of what's left of the road; then there came a large gate (mentioned by John) which is kept locked, to keep you away from Aston Expressway under which the rest of Clifton Road lies.Our Dad used to drink in the Swan Pub in Upper Sutton Street (I think it was there), and wonder if it still there? Regards to everyone, Vic, Kent, UK

Hi List Seeing as you like discussing Schools on the list !!, heres another one to get a grip on, 1881 Institution: "Fordrough Lane Reformatory School" Census Place: Aston, Warwick, England Source: FHL Film 1341728 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3049 Folio 63 Page 30 Now my ancestors lived and worked in the FORDROUGH , hay mills,then in worcestershire, birmingham , where was this school and is there a connection with my address, I cannot see it myself as the "fordrough " was only a small place with a factory and about 20-30 cottages. gary hodge

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my inquiry about my great-grandfather, Thomas Edward Taylor, who appears to have dropped in from outer space in 1888 when he married Sarah Gannon. I haven't been able to find a single record of him prior to that date. I am grateful for your help. Carol Cox in Denver, Colorado, USA, where it snowed about 5" overnight.

Hi Chris The fact it was an Anglican Charitable School has already been mentioned, a day or two ago, this was further to that. I suspect, as it is such an expensive school, that the only non-fee paying pupils there are those that have won a scholarship. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham Boarding School > On 28 Nov, Pauline Roberts <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: > > I knew a little about Blue Coat Schools because when I was boarding in > > Stourbridge we used to have to pass the Stourbridge Blue Coat School on > > our way into Town, and I knew that was fee paying and extremely > > expensive - but that is all I knew. > > actually it was originally established as a charity for the education of > pauper children. My ggggrandfather, Cornelius DANCER, went there after his > father died when Cornelius was aged 8. They still take non-fee paying > children, but there are those who pay for their education there. > > -- > Chris Pampling > researching: > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present > VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present > >

Look in Pickards Pink Pages for a List of bastardly orders On Nov 29, 2006, at 6:51 AM, JANE DYER wrote: > I have a similar problem in that my great grandfather was > illegitemate. Someone suggested looking up the bastardy orders > which I expect are held in Birmingham Central Library. > J > > Ken Poole <kpoole01@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > Thanks Pete, thats what I have except there is no father listed > (illegitimate birth) so it hard to triangulate - father - marriage - > mother, > I must have five likely candidates who could be the mother and > without a > birthdate or something factual to help identify > her it becomes an educated guess, a genealogist nightmare. > Ken > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Hulme" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:48 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] birth certificate information > > >> Hi Ken, >> The full certificates that I have give the date of birth, the >> address of the birth, name of the baby and the name and maiden >> name of >> the mother. I've never seen one that gave the mother's age, that's on >> marriage certificates. >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Hi Listers >> Is it common that mother's on birth certificates from the 1890's are >> only identified by their name >> but not address or birthdate? or do I have a shortened format. >> Otherwise I have a name shared by >> many others at that time. >> Cheers >> Ken >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- > BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- > BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry if I am teaching my 'Grandmother to suck eggs', but Could it be the the Birmingham School Board, as this was the organisation that ran the schools in Birmingham in early days ? -- John Sermon NDD FCSD general consultant designer 24 Monks Walk, EVESHAM, Worcestershire WR11 4SL (0)1386 49 967 07702 440 891 design@johnsermon.demon.co.uk www.johnsermon.demon.co.uk

Hi Ken, The full certificates that I have give the date of birth, the address of the birth, name of the baby and the name and maiden name of the mother. I've never seen one that gave the mother's age, that's on marriage certificates. Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- Hi Listers Is it common that mother's on birth certificates from the 1890's are only identified by their name but not address or birthdate? or do I have a shortened format. Otherwise I have a name shared by many others at that time. Cheers Ken _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers Does Whitland Place still exist in Birmingham. Thanks Ken Kenton Poole Poole's Creative Concepts 34 Dungan Street Canandaigua, NY 14424 585 486 1248 fax 585 905 0160 p Kpoole01@rochester.rr.com

Hello, The following excerpt is from a family history written in 1858 that I have just had the good fortune to obtain. It was written by Dr. Robert Croughton in Missouri, and was probably told to him by his father, Charles Croughton, who died in 1819 when Robert was 27. "Robert Croughton was born in Wales somewhere about the year 1700. He married near Birmingham England a Miss Mary Woodcock by whom he had three children, Elizabeth, Mary, and Charles. Elizabeth married Mr. Bou----(can't decipher) had no children. Mary married Mr. Jno Mott had a child a daughter Eliza. Charles was a very sprightly boy and his father got him in a large shipping house in London, Southcomb and Co. They sent him after the War in 1786 with a large stock of goods to Fredericksburg Va to sell them and buy tobacco. Here he became acquainted with Elizabeth, daughter of Elizabeth Hudson and granddaughter of old Thomas Reveley, and married her......." I have located a family named Croughton on the 1890 census, who may be related: 1890 Census Birmingham Warwickshire Robert Croughton abt 1837 Buckinghamshire, Head Maria Croughton abt 1837 Bham Wife Fredk. Croughton abt 1865 Bham Son Alice Croughton abt 1867 Bham Daughter Herbert Croughton abt 1869 Bham Son Amelia Croughton abt 1871 Bham Daughter Ellen Croughton abt 1874 BhamDaughter Jane Croughton abt 1876 Bham Daughter Thomas Croughton abt 1876 BhamSon William Croughton abt 1880 BhamSon Also: Robert Croughton Birmingham Warwickshire Occupation:cork cutter wood/furniture/carriage trades(a) 4 Bull ring, Birmingham, Warwickshire Source Date:1777 Listed in The Birmingham Directory: or Merchant & Tradesman's Useful Companion, 1777. Birmingham Printed & Sold by Pearson & Rollason Thanks, any help is appreciated! Sarah Reveley One Name Study of Reveleys and all alternate spellings http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/rvly San Antonio, Texas

Thanks Pete, thats what I have except there is no father listed (illegitimate birth) so it hard to triangulate - father - marriage -mother, I must have five likely candidates who could be the mother and without a birthdate or something factual to help identify her it becomes an educated guess, a genealogist nightmare. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] birth certificate information > Hi Ken, > The full certificates that I have give the date of birth, the > address of the birth, name of the baby and the name and maiden name of > the mother. I've never seen one that gave the mother's age, that's on > marriage certificates. > > Cheers, > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > Hi Listers > Is it common that mother's on birth certificates from the 1890's are > only identified by their name > but not address or birthdate? or do I have a shortened format. > Otherwise I have a name shared by > many others at that time. > Cheers > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

On 28 Nov, Pauline Roberts <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: > I knew a little about Blue Coat Schools because when I was boarding in > Stourbridge we used to have to pass the Stourbridge Blue Coat School on > our way into Town, and I knew that was fee paying and extremely > expensive - but that is all I knew. actually it was originally established as a charity for the education of pauper children. My ggggrandfather, Cornelius DANCER, went there after his father died when Cornelius was aged 8. They still take non-fee paying children, but there are those who pay for their education there. -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

I suspect that they would be worth a bob or two Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists It is my understanding the original statues are now inside and replicas are outside Bryan Slim >The 'quaint little statues' are probably those that today gaze across to >the >Green Man Pub in Harborne at the edge of the School's present site.

The 'quaint little statues' are probably those that today gaze across to the Green Man Pub in Harborne at the edge of the School's present site. -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of john dodd Sent: 28 November 2006 14:57 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham Boarding School Found This at project Getenberg, at http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14472/14472-h/14472-h.htm#Birm8 - Showell's dictionary of Birmingham Thought you might be interested. Blue Coat School (facing St. Phillip's Churchyard) founded in 1721, and was erected in 1724, provision having been made in the Act for building St. Philip's Church for securing the necessary land required for the school for a term of 1,000 years at 10s. per year. The first cost of the building was about £3,000, but many alterations and extensions have since been made thereto, the quaint little statues in the front being put up in 1770; they are the work of Mr. Edward Grubb, and are said to have been portraits of two of the children then actually in the school. _____________________________________________