Hello Gary I am also starting to look at records for Australia, in search of a convict ancestor transported from Yorkshire. I looked on the Rootsweb list of mailing lists and joined a couple that were most appropriate for me last week. So far, people have been very helpful. Australian records are divided between the different States and the ones I've tried have search facilities. I found them through Google searches. I don't know what access is like to more recent records. You might also look for newspaper archives. Good hunting, Jennie

Hi Peter That's a big assumption to make on transcripted records. In 1861 Ezekiel is noted as grandson of William & Elizabeth, so it's not their son (though you'd worked that out already!) It may well be the case that it's Harriet's son (though she's not with her parents in 1861), and it may well be that: 1. Harriet didn't know the father 2. There is a completely different William CHINN (a cousin, perhaps?) 3. The IGI reference could refer to a different family AND 4. If it was "incest", do you think the Church would acknowledge it? If you have the birth certificate, who is given as the father (although this is also open to question in my experience)? However, as I understand it, if the mother wasn't married, she could only give the name of the father if he was present. I'm sure incest was just as "common" as it is today, but they wouldn't be so eager to demonstrate it as to announce it in Church... but I could be wrong, of course. Regards Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks- > birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of peter turner > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:49 PM > To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com > Subject: [B'ham] ?Incest? > > Let me try again - this is not a question of geography! Note the 8 month > old > child in the census return; then the LDS report of the Baptism. > > > 1851 > Head: CHINN, William > Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace > William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR > Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR > Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR > Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR > Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham > Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire > PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 > > > ***************************** > EZEKIEL CHINN > Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England > > Parents: > Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family > Mother: HARRIET > > Source Information: > Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 > ******************************************************** > Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 > ************************************************************* > > > > > Peter C. Turner > pcharlestur@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel > http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- > BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Let me try again - this is not a question of geography! Note the 8 month old child in the census return; then the LDS report of the Baptism. 1851 Head: CHINN, William Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 ***************************** EZEKIEL CHINN Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family Mother: HARRIET Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 ******************************************************** Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 ************************************************************* Peter C. Turner pcharlestur@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com

In the 1851 census Tamworth comes under Warwickshire...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth William Bibb" <kbibb@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Interpretation? > John, > I don't think so!!! > Tamworth is in Staffs Tanworth-in-Arden is in Warks > > Ken B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:58 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Interpretation? > > > > The word in the second line should, I think, be TAMWORTH, not Tanworth, > > (pronounced "Tam'orth), WAR being an abbreviation for Warwickshire. > > Regards > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Turner" <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> > > To: <Eng-Warks-Birmingham@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:54 PM > > Subject: [B'ham] Interpretation? > > > > > >> This is a transcript from the 1851: > >> > >> Head: CHINN, William > >> Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace > >> William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR > >> Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR > >> Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR > >> Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR > >> Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham > >> Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire > >> PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 > >> > >> ***************************** > >> And from the LDS: > >> > >> EZEKIEL CHINN > >> Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England > >> > >> Parents: > >> Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family > >> Mother: HARRIET > >> Source Information: > >> Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 > >> ******************************************************** > >> And, GRO > >> Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 > >> > >> Appart from the obvious - is there another interpretation? > >> > >> Peter Turner > >> > >> > >> Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) > >> peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk > >> Send instant messages to your online friends > >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > >> _____________________________________________ > >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > >> http://www.bham.de/ > >> > >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > > http://www.bham.de/ > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mary, Would you look for Charles BLYTH born about 1820, wife Janet [no details] children, Janet b.1843; Charles b.1845. in 1851 census Charles Blyth male married about 31 [do not know where born,but Midlothian] Janet " fe wife as above ? Midlothian, I guess! Janet " fe dau 7 Canongate, Midlothian Charles " m son 5 as above. and 1861 census, as above but ages, 41; ??; 17; 15 Hope this helps, thank you, Roy M Lee <mary@lee9454.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: hi list only the index but a help Mary _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Andrew The book only dates from 1880 and I could not find any mention of a Vine Inn in Aston. Sorry Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Foster" <andfos69@hotmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > Hi Wendy, > Would you check something in your book of pubs for me please? > My ancestor on the 1861 census lived at 25 Nechells Park Road, Aston and, > although it's hard to make out, it looks as though it says "Vine Inn" > underneath. Did this exist? > > Many thanks. > Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > > >> Hello Ken and Vic, >> I hope you don't mind me joining in. I have a book called Birmingham Pubs >> (for research you understand) it lists pubs from 1830 to 1939. It >> mentions >> The Duke Of York, Lichfield Road. The White Swan Victoria and Whitehead >> Roads Aston. I know the area a little as my father was born in Bevington >> Road. I drove down there recently and I just couldn't get my bearings now >> a >> lot of the buildings have gone. I can remember going in to Ansell's many >> years ago through a small archway built for the horse and cart. Sadly now >> all gone. If you would like a scan of the Pub please email me off list. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Wendy >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <VAGarvey@aol.com> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor >> >> >>> Hi Ken B, >>> Thanks for that. We are pretty sure it was The Swan. Will check with my >>> brother when I see im later. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Vic >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It could mean a lot of things - mainly that the poor girl was totally humiliated that she was an unwed mother and most likely just put her father down. Maybe it was a cousin or another relative. It could be a number of things. Unless we could talk to the dead and find out, you might never know the reasoning. There is also the possibility she thought they meant her father as opposed to the baby's - not everyone had an education in those days and quite possibly she might not have understood In any event, I would not take one record as gospel - one needs to make a number of references before they can be sure. Judy BC Canada ----Original Message Follows---- From: "peter turner" <pcharlestur@hotmail.com> Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] ?Incest? Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:49:25 +0000 Let me try again - this is not a question of geography! Note the 8 month old child in the census return; then the LDS report of the Baptism. 1851 Head: CHINN, William Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 ***************************** EZEKIEL CHINN Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family Mother: HARRIET Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 ******************************************************** Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 ************************************************************* Peter C. Turner pcharlestur@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Enter the "Telus Mobility Xbox a Day" contest for your chance to WIN! Telus Mobility is giving away an Microsoft Xbox® 360 every day from November 20 to December 31, 2006! Just download Windows Live (MSN) Messenger to your IM-capable TELUS mobile phone, and you could be a winner! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/

Hi Wendy, Would you check something in your book of pubs for me please? My ancestor on the 1861 census lived at 25 Nechells Park Road, Aston and, although it's hard to make out, it looks as though it says "Vine Inn" underneath. Did this exist? Many thanks. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > Hello Ken and Vic, > I hope you don't mind me joining in. I have a book called Birmingham Pubs > (for research you understand) it lists pubs from 1830 to 1939. It mentions > The Duke Of York, Lichfield Road. The White Swan Victoria and Whitehead > Roads Aston. I know the area a little as my father was born in Bevington > Road. I drove down there recently and I just couldn't get my bearings now > a > lot of the buildings have gone. I can remember going in to Ansell's many > years ago through a small archway built for the horse and cart. Sadly now > all gone. If you would like a scan of the Pub please email me off list. > > Best wishes > > Wendy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <VAGarvey@aol.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > > >> Hi Ken B, >> Thanks for that. We are pretty sure it was The Swan. Will check with my >> brother when I see im later. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Vic >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Ken and Vic, I hope you don't mind me joining in. I have a book called Birmingham Pubs (for research you understand) it lists pubs from 1830 to 1939. It mentions The Duke Of York, Lichfield Road. The White Swan Victoria and Whitehead Roads Aston. I know the area a little as my father was born in Bevington Road. I drove down there recently and I just couldn't get my bearings now a lot of the buildings have gone. I can remember going in to Ansell's many years ago through a small archway built for the horse and cart. Sadly now all gone. If you would like a scan of the Pub please email me off list. Best wishes Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: <VAGarvey@aol.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Albert road Aston Manor > Hi Ken B, > Thanks for that. We are pretty sure it was The Swan. Will check with my > brother when I see im later. > > Regards, > > > Vic > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Michelle but Tamworth has to and froed throughout history and the county boundary between Staffs and Warks used to run along the middle of Church Street! See this explanation: Historical Geography >From the time of the original formation of counties in England, Tamworth was situated in the two counties of Staffordshire and Warwickshire, the county boundary running through the middle of the town along Holloway, Silver Street, Church Street and Lower and Upper Gungate. When the 1888 Local Government Act created the administrative County Councils it decreed that any urban area, such as Tamworth, which was situated in more than one county, should transfer wholly into the county containing the greater portion of the population at the 1881 census. In 1881 the Staffordshire part of Tamworth Borough contained 2,589 people and the Warwickshire part, 2,032. Tamworth thus became a wholly Staffordshire borough from the 1st April 1889. The Parliamentary constituency boundaries, however, were not transferred wholly into Staffordshire until 1918. Taken from here: http://www.genuki.org.uk:8080/big/eng/STS/Tamworth/index.html In 1851 when this census entry was taken it is quite possible that the person came form the Warks side of the town and not the Staffs. It's nightmare for those of us researching families in the area prior to the 19th century! Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Le Resche" <michele.leresche@btinternet.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Interpretation? > Not being picky but TaMworth is in Staffordshire. > > TaNworth( in Arden) is Warwickshire > > Michele > > > > On 1 Dec 2006, at 10:58, john dodd wrote: > > The word in the second line should, I think, be TAMWORTH, not Tanworth, > (pronounced "Tam'orth), WAR being an abbreviation for Warwickshire. > Regards > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Turner" <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <Eng-Warks-Birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:54 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Interpretation? > > >> This is a transcript from the 1851: >> >> Head: CHINN, William >> Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace >> William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR >> Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR >> Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR >> Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR >> Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham >> Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire >> PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 >> >> ***************************** >> And from the LDS: >> >> EZEKIEL CHINN >> Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, >> England >> >> Parents: >> Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family >> Mother: HARRIET >> Source Information: >> Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 >> ******************************************************** >> And, GRO >> Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 >> >> Appart from the obvious - is there another interpretation? >> >> Peter Turner >>

Not being picky but TaMworth is in Staffordshire. TaNworth( in Arden) is Warwickshire Michele On 1 Dec 2006, at 10:58, john dodd wrote: The word in the second line should, I think, be TAMWORTH, not Tanworth, (pronounced "Tam'orth), WAR being an abbreviation for Warwickshire. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Turner" <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> To: <Eng-Warks-Birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: [B'ham] Interpretation? > This is a transcript from the 1851: > > Head: CHINN, William > Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace > William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR > Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR > Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR > Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR > Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham > Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire > PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 > > ***************************** > And from the LDS: > > EZEKIEL CHINN > Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, > England > > Parents: > Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family > Mother: HARRIET > Source Information: > Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 > ******************************************************** > And, GRO > Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 > > Appart from the obvious - is there another interpretation? > > Peter Turner > > > Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) > peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk > Send instant messages to your online friends http:// > uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The word in the second line should, I think, be TAMWORTH, not Tanworth, (pronounced "Tam'orth), WAR being an abbreviation for Warwickshire. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Turner" <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> To: <Eng-Warks-Birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: [B'ham] Interpretation? > This is a transcript from the 1851: > > Head: CHINN, William > Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace > William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR > Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR > Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR > Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR > Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham > Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire > PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 > > ***************************** > And from the LDS: > > EZEKIEL CHINN > Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England > > Parents: > Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family > Mother: HARRIET > Source Information: > Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 > ******************************************************** > And, GRO > Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 > > Appart from the obvious - is there another interpretation? > > Peter Turner > > > Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) > peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Isobel, Pickard is at: _http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/index.html_ (http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/index.html) Regards, Vic

Hi Ken B, Thanks for that. We are pretty sure it was The Swan. Will check with my brother when I see im later. Regards, Vic

hi list only the index but a help Mary

Saltley Reformatory was just off what is now Fordrough Lane, Bordesley Green, and catered for wayward boys - aged roughly 10-17. They were taught a useful trade - shoemaking and gardening especially. The boys came from all over the country, not just Birmingham. It started taking offenders from 1848 onwards. I've forgotten when it ceased to operate but it was going well into the 1920s, I think. The buildings were in extensive grounds, and at some point the land was taken over by the Post Office. According to Carl Chinn's excellent 'Streets of Birmingham' (Part Two in this case) a 'fordrough' was a rough way, one difficult to pass along, and he mentions several instances of the word around Birmingham, including Fordrough Lane. Fred Miller On 29/11/06, J hodge <jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi List > > Seeing as you like discussing Schools on the list !!, heres another one > to get a grip on, > > 1881 > Institution: "Fordrough Lane Reformatory School" > Census Place: Aston, Warwick, England > Source: FHL Film 1341728 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3049 Folio > 63 Page 30 > > Now my ancestors lived and worked in the FORDROUGH , hay mills,then in > worcestershire, birmingham , > where was this school and is there a connection with my address, I > cannot see it myself as the "fordrough " was only a small place with a > factory and about 20-30 cottages. > > gary hodge > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Could this have been the Fordrough Lane in what is now Bordesley Green. I lived in Pretoria Rd and there was a 'correctional' school in Cherrywood Road at the junction with Fordrough Lane. This would have been in 'Aston' then. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "J hodge" <jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: [B'ham] reformatory school > Hi List > > Seeing as you like discussing Schools on the list !!, heres another one > to get a grip on, > > 1881 > Institution: "Fordrough Lane Reformatory School" > Census Place: Aston, Warwick, England > Source: FHL Film 1341728 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3049 Folio > 63 Page 30 > > Now my ancestors lived and worked in the FORDROUGH , hay mills,then in > worcestershire, birmingham , > where was this school and is there a connection with my address, I > cannot see it myself as the "fordrough " was only a small place with a > factory and about 20-30 cottages. > > gary hodge > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

my husband said there was or still is a fordrough lane in kings norton brum and thinks it has something to do with acanal or canal bridge , any good? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] reformatory school > Gary > > I don't think Fordrough Lane was particularly small, the Post Office > offices > were there in Small Heath, at least in the 1960's as we had a friend > working > there. I don't know exactly where it was, but I think near to Green Lane, > Small Heath, which is nearer to town than Hay Mills. > > A 'fordrough' is something slightly different, although I cannot remember > what, I seem to have seen it somewhere, but there is nothing in the Oxford > Concise. I suspect it is another name for 'alley' (as in Needless Alley), > but I would not like to state that categorically. > > Pauline > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J hodge" <jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:13 AM > Subject: [B'ham] reformatory school > > >> Hi List >> >> Seeing as you like discussing Schools on the list !!, heres another one >> to get a grip on, >> >> 1881 >> Institution: "Fordrough Lane Reformatory School" >> Census Place: Aston, Warwick, England >> Source: FHL Film 1341728 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3049 Folio >> 63 Page 30 >> >> Now my ancestors lived and worked in the FORDROUGH , hay mills,then in >> worcestershire, birmingham , >> where was this school and is there a connection with my address, I >> cannot see it myself as the "fordrough " was only a small place with a >> factory and about 20-30 cottages. >> >> gary hodge >> >> >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a gap in my Walker births. Benjamin Walker/ Mary Horton had children born in King's Norton-Sarah (1806), William (1808) Charles (1810). Then there seems to be a gap of time until 1825 when, I think, Henry was born. Would anyone be able to check a King's Norton BMD index for 1825 for the birth of Henry to B&M? Grateful thanks. (Benjamin was a shoemaker) Heather. Canada _________________________________________________________________ Off to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN) Messenger lets you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click here to find out how to sign up! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/

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