After a time away from the keyboard because my computer had a bit of a problem, I want to agree with Michelle, not about the counties, but the pronunciation. Tamworth is not pronounced Tam'oth but TaMworth. Pauline in Tamworth, was Warks, now Staffs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Le Resche" <michele.leresche@btinternet.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Interpretation? > Not being picky but TaMworth is in Staffordshire. > > TaNworth( in Arden) is Warwickshire > > Michele > > > > On 1 Dec 2006, at 10:58, john dodd wrote: > > The word in the second line should, I think, be TAMWORTH, not Tanworth, > (pronounced "Tam'orth), WAR being an abbreviation for Warwickshire. > Regards > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Turner" <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <Eng-Warks-Birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:54 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Interpretation? > > > > This is a transcript from the 1851: > > > > Head: CHINN, William > > Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace > > William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR > > Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR > > Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR > > Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR > > Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham > > Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire > > PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 > > > > ***************************** > > And from the LDS: > > > > EZEKIEL CHINN > > Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, > > England > > > > Parents: > > Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family > > Mother: HARRIET > > Source Information: > > Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 > > ******************************************************** > > And, GRO > > Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 > > > > Appart from the obvious - is there another interpretation? > > > > Peter Turner > > > > > > Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) > > peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk > > Send instant messages to your online friends http:// > > uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > > http://www.bham.de/ > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- > BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi How about closing one eye, vbg. gary hodge Wendy Partridge wrote: > Hello Bryan > > I have looked on eBay they are about £20 but I only want to look at one > photo. > > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Slim" <minestart@shaw.ca> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Sterio Viewer > > > >> Wendy, >> >> Stereo viewers can be expensive. They are used by geologists and >> others. Try Google >> >> Bryan >> >> >> >>> Hello all >>> >>> I wonder if anyone can help me I have a lovely old photo of Key Hill >>> Cemetery where my ancestors are buried. Unfortunately its a stereo >>> view and I would love to see it through a viewer. Does anyone know >>> where I could view this photo. >>> >>> Regards >>> Wendy >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hello Bryan I have looked on eBay they are about £20 but I only want to look at one photo. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Slim" <minestart@shaw.ca> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Sterio Viewer > Wendy, > > Stereo viewers can be expensive. They are used by geologists and > others. Try Google > > Bryan > > >>Hello all >> >>I wonder if anyone can help me I have a lovely old photo of Key Hill >>Cemetery where my ancestors are buried. Unfortunately its a stereo >>view and I would love to see it through a viewer. Does anyone know >>where I could view this photo. >> >>Regards >>Wendy >>_____________________________________________ >>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>http://www.bham.de/ >> >>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi If I remember right ,there seemed to be two types depending on market aimed for , One took a set of photos , in strip form, the other was a circuler disc , not sure what I used as a child (vbg) . I think it was multi- use . gary hodge Mike Fisher wrote: > Hi Wendy > > is there not a trick that if you look at the right image with your left eye > and the left image with you right eyed (cross eyed) you can see the 3D > image. > (or is that how you find out what they have left out in those compare > drawings competitions?) > > Mike in Droitwich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:16 AM > Subject: [B'ham] Sterio Viewer > > > >> Hello all >> >> I wonder if anyone can help me I have a lovely old photo of Key Hill >> Cemetery where my ancestors are buried. Unfortunately its a stereo view >> and I would love to see it through a viewer. Does anyone know where I >> could view this photo. >> >> Regards >> Wendy >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Wendy is there not a trick that if you look at the right image with your left eye and the left image with you right eyed (cross eyed) you can see the 3D image. (or is that how you find out what they have left out in those compare drawings competitions?) Mike in Droitwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: [B'ham] Sterio Viewer > Hello all > > I wonder if anyone can help me I have a lovely old photo of Key Hill > Cemetery where my ancestors are buried. Unfortunately its a stereo view > and I would love to see it through a viewer. Does anyone know where I > could view this photo. > > Regards > Wendy > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

May I add my ten pen'orth please? Both are correct. Tanworth is in Warwickshire, in Arden, part of the Arden Forest of years past. It is near Redditch about half way from Stratford. Tamworth is now in Staffordshire, but back then was in both Counties! Yes, both counties, the border ran along two or three main streets, hence Bolehall, Glascote, Wilnecote, (another Wilmcote near Stratford too), Amington etc, although now 'belong' to Tamworth, they were in the Warks side of the town, with the rest of the bottom south-east section, with the top, north-west section was in Staffs. At one time there was even two Town Halls, although the one that stands now was the Warks one! Regards, Michael McAllister ----- Original Message ----- From: "John K Colin" <jkcolin@johnkenneth.freeserve.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Interpretation? > In the 1851 census Tamworth comes under Warwickshire...... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth William Bibb" <kbibb@bigpond.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Interpretation? > > >> John, >> I don't think so!!! >> Tamworth is in Staffs Tanworth-in-Arden is in Warks >> >> Ken B >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Interpretation? >> >> >> > The word in the second line should, I think, be TAMWORTH, not Tanworth, >> > (pronounced "Tam'orth), WAR being an abbreviation for Warwickshire. >> > Regards >> > John >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Peter Turner" <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> >> > To: <Eng-Warks-Birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:54 PM >> > Subject: [B'ham] Interpretation? >> > >> > >> >> This is a transcript from the 1851: >> >> >> >> Head: CHINN, William >> >> Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace >> >> William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR >> >> Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR >> >> Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR >> >> Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR >> >> Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham >> >> Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire >> >> PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 >> >> >> >> ***************************** >> >> And from the LDS: >> >> >> >> EZEKIEL CHINN >> >> Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, > England >> >> >> >> Parents: >> >> Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family >> >> Mother: HARRIET >> >> Source Information: >> >> Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 >> >> ******************************************************** >> >> And, GRO >> >> Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 >> >> >> >> Appart from the obvious - is there another interpretation? >> >> >> >> Peter Turner >> >> >> >> >> >> Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) >> >> peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________ >> > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> > http://www.bham.de/ >> > >> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >

Hi Bryan /list I have an idea she means those viewers you used as kids or later ones from photographic shops etc , depends on picture sizes of course. gary hodge Bryan Slim wrote: > Wendy, > > Stereo viewers can be expensive. They are used by geologists and > others. Try Google > > Bryan > > > >> Hello all >> >> I wonder if anyone can help me I have a lovely old photo of Key Hill >> Cemetery where my ancestors are buried. Unfortunately its a stereo >> view and I would love to see it through a viewer. Does anyone know >> where I could view this photo. >> >> Regards >> Wendy >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Kia Ora Peter I like most of the ideas behind the explanation given by Mike but may I suggest yet another set of possibilities? 1.Ezekiel may be the son of another daughter (who may have married someone else, be away working or just visiting on the night or emigrated!) and left Ezekile to be cared for by the family. 2. Ezekiel may be the son of a son (whose wife was ill, having another baby and perhaps later died, working elsewhere or had emigrated!) He might have been born anywhere! 3. There is a Thomas Chinn baptised 4 November 1820 at Spernall War to a William & Elizabeth - was he a sibling? Harriet appears to have been born 5 June 1824 & baptised 27 May 1825 at St Phillips. At St Phillips there were several CHINN families having children baptised around that decade, including William & Elizabeth, William & Ann, Joseph & Jane, Henry & Ann. You really need to follow all these families to check if they appear to have a relationship beyond St Phillips. 4. Unless Harriet was an only child there might be a family of 10-12 siblings lurking around somewhere! At 26 she is still living at home with no other siblings listed. I would suggest the 1841 census entry for this family would be crucial. 5. Most critical would be Ezekiel's birth cert which appears to be registered as William Ezekiel Chinn Sept 1850 16/408. 6. Harriet appears to have married either William Binion or Richard Mealey Mar Qtr 1858 in Birmingham 6d/141 but Ezekiel is apparently not with them in 1861. Someone may be able to help with the 1871 census which I don't have. Hope the ideas help! Marlene in Aotearoa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wrigley" <mwrigley@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] ?Incest? > Hi Peter > That's a big assumption to make on transcripted records. > > In 1861 Ezekiel is noted as grandson of William & Elizabeth, so it's not > their son (though you'd worked that out already!) > > It may well be the case that it's Harriet's son (though she's not with her > parents in 1861), and it may well be that: > > 1. Harriet didn't know the father > 2. There is a completely different William CHINN (a cousin, perhaps?) > 3. The IGI reference could refer to a different family > > AND > > 4. If it was "incest", do you think the Church would acknowledge it? > > If you have the birth certificate, who is given as the father (although > this > is also open to question in my experience)? However, as I understand it, > if > the mother wasn't married, she could only give the name of the father if > he > was present. > > I'm sure incest was just as "common" as it is today, but they wouldn't be > so > eager to demonstrate it as to announce it in Church... but I could be > wrong, > of course. > > Regards > > Mike > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks- >> birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of peter turner >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:49 PM >> To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [B'ham] ?Incest? >> >> Let me try again - this is not a question of geography! Note the 8 month >> old >> child in the census return; then the LDS report of the Baptism. >> >> >> 1851 >> Head: CHINN, William >> Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace >> William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener > Tanworth-WAR >> Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR >> Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress > Birmingham-WAR >> Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR >> Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham >> Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire >> PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 >> >> >> ***************************** >> EZEKIEL CHINN >> Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England >> >> Parents: >> Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family >> Mother: HARRIET >> >> Source Information: >> Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 >> ******************************************************** >> Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 >> ************************************************************* >> >> >> >> >> Peter C. Turner >> pcharlestur@hotmail.com >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! 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Hi John It depended on when the registration took place (and if everyone understood the rules laid down) See http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm for a fuller description Up until 1875 a birth "could" be registered with the mother giving the fathers name, without the father being present and in some circumstances his name would be omitted even if he were present. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > >From what I have been told, unmarried mothers were not allowed to put the > name of the father on the birth certificate, I was also told that husbands > who died before their child was born was also omitted from the certificate > ?....I am not sure if it still applies in both cases......I have a uncle > who's father died before he was born (a few weeks before) in 1933, his > fathers name does not appear on his certificate.....John

Peter: Almost certainly Ezekiel was an illegitimate son of Harriett. When poor Harriett went to have the child christened she could either admit to being an unmarried mother, or give a fictitious father. What more natural than to give her own father's name? This is exactly what happened with my own grandmother, who was illegitimate. In a large parish in Birmingham nobody would know any better. Quite different in a rural parish, of course, when everyone would know what was going on. Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter turner" <pcharlestur@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: [B'ham] ?Incest? > Let me try again - this is not a question of geography! Note the 8 month > old > child in the census return; then the LDS report of the Baptism. > > > 1851 > Head: CHINN, William > Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace > William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR > Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR > Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR > Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR > Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham > Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire > PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 > > > ***************************** > EZEKIEL CHINN > Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England > > Parents: > Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family > Mother: HARRIET > > Source Information: > Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 > ******************************************************** > Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 > ************************************************************* > > > > > Peter C. Turner > pcharlestur@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel > http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all I wonder if anyone can help me I have a lovely old photo of Key Hill Cemetery where my ancestors are buried. Unfortunately its a stereo view and I would love to see it through a viewer. Does anyone know where I could view this photo. Regards Wendy

I have to say Garry there is one side of my family that seem to have led me in a particular direction! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "J hodge" <jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] ?Incest? > > > Wendy Partridge wrote: >> .As someone has >> already said because we can't speak to them we will never know the truth. >> Regards >> >> Wendy >> > Funny you saying that ,have you ever tried to speak to them , I may be a > physic or something , But I always remember visiting a rellies grave , > and jotting details down, I suddenly spouted out that you thought we,d > forgotten you, then I heard a voice say "you are not mine", I spun > round ,but there was nobody else there !, a bit shook up I went home, > And for a few weeks after I pursued this person everywhere, till I found > the answer ,my rellie was buried in another cemetary. > So it pays to be very certain that you have the right person and grave. > I have had several voices bits in the past, the most serious was when i > was dive bommbing the exit off moterway from outside lane, when a voice > told me "brakes" ,in fact i did not touch them till I was in inside lane > and slowing that I put them on ,guess what no brakes , I dived into hard > shoulder vowing ,never to ignore voices again. > > gary hodge >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter turner" <pcharlestur@hotmail.com> >> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:49 PM >> Subject: [B'ham] ?Incest? >> >> >> >>> Let me try again - this is not a question of geography! Note the 8 month >>> old >>> child in the census return; then the LDS report of the Baptism. >>> >>> >>> 1851 >>> Head: CHINN, William >>> Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace >>> William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR >>> Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR >>> Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR >>> Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR >>> Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham >>> Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire >>> PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 >>> >>> >>> ***************************** >>> EZEKIEL CHINN >>> Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England >>> >>> Parents: >>> Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family >>> Mother: HARRIET >>> >>> Source Information: >>> Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 >>> ******************************************************** >>> Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 >>> ************************************************************* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter C. Turner >>> pcharlestur@hotmail.com >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel >>> http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I don't think so!!! Tamworth is in Staffs Tanworth-in-Arden is in Warks Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "john dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Interpretation? > The word in the second line should, I think, be TAMWORTH, not Tanworth, > (pronounced "Tam'orth), WAR being an abbreviation for Warwickshire. > Regards > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Turner" <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <Eng-Warks-Birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:54 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Interpretation? > > >> This is a transcript from the 1851: >> >> Head: CHINN, William >> Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace >> William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR >> Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR >> Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR >> Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR >> Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham >> Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire >> PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 >> >> ***************************** >> And from the LDS: >> >> EZEKIEL CHINN >> Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England >> >> Parents: >> Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family >> Mother: HARRIET >> Source Information: >> Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 >> ******************************************************** >> And, GRO >> Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 >> >> Appart from the obvious - is there another interpretation? >> >> Peter Turner >> >> >> Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) >> peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List Can anyone detail the Procedure ,to find rellies in australia , I do not know date he went but sometime after 1986 after birth of youngest son , he went alone ,promissing to send for them when settled , he never did!. Do you start with ships etc or go straight to australia , any listers over there that could help me. Sign up to australian lists ? . The name is john ROGERS a blacksmith born 1845 wombridge , shropshire . gary hodge

Wendy Partridge wrote: > .As someone has > already said because we can't speak to them we will never know the truth. > Regards > > Wendy > Funny you saying that ,have you ever tried to speak to them , I may be a physic or something , But I always remember visiting a rellies grave , and jotting details down, I suddenly spouted out that you thought we,d forgotten you, then I heard a voice say "you are not mine", I spun round ,but there was nobody else there !, a bit shook up I went home, And for a few weeks after I pursued this person everywhere, till I found the answer ,my rellie was buried in another cemetary. So it pays to be very certain that you have the right person and grave. I have had several voices bits in the past, the most serious was when i was dive bommbing the exit off moterway from outside lane, when a voice told me "brakes" ,in fact i did not touch them till I was in inside lane and slowing that I put them on ,guess what no brakes , I dived into hard shoulder vowing ,never to ignore voices again. gary hodge > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter turner" <pcharlestur@hotmail.com> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:49 PM > Subject: [B'ham] ?Incest? > > > >> Let me try again - this is not a question of geography! Note the 8 month >> old >> child in the census return; then the LDS report of the Baptism. >> >> >> 1851 >> Head: CHINN, William >> Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace >> William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR >> Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR >> Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR >> Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR >> Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham >> Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire >> PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 >> >> >> ***************************** >> EZEKIEL CHINN >> Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England >> >> Parents: >> Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family >> Mother: HARRIET >> >> Source Information: >> Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 >> ******************************************************** >> Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 >> ************************************************************* >> >> >> >> >> Peter C. Turner >> pcharlestur@hotmail.com >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel >> http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

>From what I have been told, unmarried mothers were not allowed to put the name of the father on the birth certificate, I was also told that husbands who died before their child was born was also omitted from the certificate ?....I am not sure if it still applies in both cases......I have a uncle who's father died before he was born (a few weeks before) in 1933, his fathers name does not appear on his certificate.....John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Partridge" <wendy.partridge@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] ?Incest? > Hello Peter > > I have a similar situation in my family although the lady in question > actually had tree illegitimate children, and no father is listed on their > birth certificates. On one census the children are listed as her parents > children but they are to old to have children this young. On the 1881 > census > she even lied about her name as she was still unmarried. She married late > in > life at about 40 and then had another child. All her other children named > their grandfather as father on their marriage certificates.As someone has > already said because we can't speak to them we will never know the truth. > Regards > > Wendy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter turner" <pcharlestur@hotmail.com> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:49 PM > Subject: [B'ham] ?Incest? > > >> Let me try again - this is not a question of geography! Note the 8 month >> old >> child in the census return; then the LDS report of the Baptism. >> >> >> 1851 >> Head: CHINN, William >> Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace >> William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR >> Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR >> Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR >> Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR >> Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham >> Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire >> PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 >> >> >> ***************************** >> EZEKIEL CHINN >> Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England >> >> Parents: >> Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family >> Mother: HARRIET >> >> Source Information: >> Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 >> ******************************************************** >> Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 >> ************************************************************* >> >> >> >> >> Peter C. Turner >> pcharlestur@hotmail.com >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel >> http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

According to the Latter Day Saints Ezekiel was the son of William and Harriet Chinn, Baptised, January 5, 1851 at Saint Thomas, Birmingham England Carol

Hello Peter I have a similar situation in my family although the lady in question actually had tree illegitimate children, and no father is listed on their birth certificates. On one census the children are listed as her parents children but they are to old to have children this young. On the 1881 census she even lied about her name as she was still unmarried. She married late in life at about 40 and then had another child. All her other children named their grandfather as father on their marriage certificates.As someone has already said because we can't speak to them we will never know the truth. Regards Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter turner" <pcharlestur@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: [B'ham] ?Incest? > Let me try again - this is not a question of geography! Note the 8 month > old > child in the census return; then the LDS report of the Baptism. > > > 1851 > Head: CHINN, William > Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace > William CHINN Head M 53 M Gardener Tanworth-WAR > Elizabeth CHINN Wife M 52 F --- Broom-WAR > Harriett CHINN Daur U 26 F Laundress Birmingham-WAR > Ezekiel CHINN Son - 8m M --- Birm-WAR > Address: Tennant St 21 Court 1 House, Birmingham > Census Place: Birmingham ---, Warwickshire > PRO Reference: HO/107/2052/215-47 > > > ***************************** > EZEKIEL CHINN > Christening: 05 JAN 1851 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England > > Parents: > Father: WILLIAM CHINN Family > Mother: HARRIET > > Source Information: > Batch No.: Dates: C041171 1829 - 1853 > ******************************************************** > Registered as Wm Ezekiel Chinn, Sep 1850, Bham XVI 408 > ************************************************************* > > > > > Peter C. Turner > pcharlestur@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel > http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Find all the family members you can on all the later censuses. That solved the same for me - it was the wife's daughter's child. On a much later census, the information was amazingly complete - even listing "grandfather-in-law"and the family was still all together. Kathryne

Wendy, Stereo viewers can be expensive. They are used by geologists and others. Try Google Bryan >Hello all > >I wonder if anyone can help me I have a lovely old photo of Key Hill >Cemetery where my ancestors are buried. Unfortunately its a stereo >view and I would love to see it through a viewer. Does anyone know >where I could view this photo. > >Regards >Wendy >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message