when you get the marr you should get the Dad to amelia , its such a hard name !! Ive looked alnight for it .. when you get the dad let me know I have the Ancestry ...can look at the census for her with John and Louises and charles, Did yu get the Census I sent? x mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] re; poss look up please?... GARARDAO > Hi Mary, thanks for getting back to me. Much appreciated!! I am sorry to > say > that , that is all the info i have except for the 1902 census that says, > William Walton Adaams aged 32. Head. Office clerk born, aston, > warks.. > Amelia Gabrielle > 28. > wife. " Surrey > Charles Gabriel Girardao 25. Bro > in law Tailers cutter born, b`ham warks > Louisa " > 21 sister in law clerke manufactory " " > John " > 18. Bro in law. Cabinett maker. " " > They were living at, 86, Westminster road. Holy Trinity, Aston..... 1901 > cenus.... > > Thank you for getting in touch Mary..It is driving me mad!!..Everywhere i > try to look, there does not seem to be anything about them!! > I have sent for the marriage for Amelia and William to see what that > says...Any other ideas most welcome!!.. > cheers. > san > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Lee" <mary@lee9454.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] re; poss look up please?... GARARDAO > > >> Hi Sandra, >> what other info do you have ? >> Mary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sandra Whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:07 PM >> Subject: [B'ham] re; poss look up please?... GARARDAO >> >> >> > Dear Listers, >> > I am hoping that sks may be able to help me please?... >> > >> > I am stuck on this paticular brick wall!!... I am looking for the > 1881/91 >> > census with Amelia Garardao ( or variations) born 1873 in Surrey...I >> > am >> > desperste to find her parents.... >> > She had a Brother CHARLES but, he was born in Birmingham!!.. >> > >> > I have her marriage date which is 1900 in Birminham to william walton >> > Adams.. >> > >> > I would love to find her parents and where they lived etc...... >> > >> > I look forward to hearing from you.. >> > many thanks, >> > San.... >> > _____________________________________________ >> > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> > http://www.bham.de/ >> > >> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.22/590 - Release Date: > 16/12/2006 >> >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mary, thanks for getting back to me. Much appreciated!! I am sorry to say that , that is all the info i have except for the 1902 census that says, William Walton Adaams aged 32. Head. Office clerk born, aston, warks.. Amelia Gabrielle 28. wife. " Surrey Charles Gabriel Girardao 25. Bro in law Tailers cutter born, b`ham warks Louisa " 21 sister in law clerke manufactory " " John " 18. Bro in law. Cabinett maker. " " They were living at, 86, Westminster road. Holy Trinity, Aston..... 1901 cenus.... Thank you for getting in touch Mary..It is driving me mad!!..Everywhere i try to look, there does not seem to be anything about them!! I have sent for the marriage for Amelia and William to see what that says...Any other ideas most welcome!!.. cheers. san ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Lee" <mary@lee9454.freeserve.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] re; poss look up please?... GARARDAO > Hi Sandra, > what other info do you have ? > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra Whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:07 PM > Subject: [B'ham] re; poss look up please?... GARARDAO > > > > Dear Listers, > > I am hoping that sks may be able to help me please?... > > > > I am stuck on this paticular brick wall!!... I am looking for the 1881/91 > > census with Amelia Garardao ( or variations) born 1873 in Surrey...I am > > desperste to find her parents.... > > She had a Brother CHARLES but, he was born in Birmingham!!.. > > > > I have her marriage date which is 1900 in Birminham to william walton > > Adams.. > > > > I would love to find her parents and where they lived etc...... > > > > I look forward to hearing from you.. > > many thanks, > > San.... > > _____________________________________________ > > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > > http://www.bham.de/ > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.22/590 - Release Date: 16/12/2006 > >

Hi Sandra, what other info do you have ? Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: [B'ham] re; poss look up please?... GARARDAO > Dear Listers, > I am hoping that sks may be able to help me please?... > > I am stuck on this paticular brick wall!!... I am looking for the 1881/91 > census with Amelia Garardao ( or variations) born 1873 in Surrey...I am > desperste to find her parents.... > She had a Brother CHARLES but, he was born in Birmingham!!.. > > I have her marriage date which is 1900 in Birminham to william walton > Adams.. > > I would love to find her parents and where they lived etc...... > > I look forward to hearing from you.. > many thanks, > San.... > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I originaly sent this to the Warwickshire list and was advised to post it to this list as well. This is my daughter in laws family and I would appreciate some help/advice. Alfred Eccleston(b. 1860 Birmingham) married Rosina Turner(b. 1861 Birmingham) in 1882. They had six children all born in Birmingham-Arther 1884, Florence 1886, Lydia 1891, George 1893, Albert 1891 and Leonard 1903. Rosina died February 1906 age 45.I do not yet know when Alfred died, but he was also quite young. Albert and Leonard went to live with a Grannie Lacey-seemingly not a relative -and not with an older sibling.In 1938 Leonard married Leah Minnie Gill and at some point Albert married Nellie Lacey. Leonards son, David, would like to find out more about Grannie Lacey but there is not much to go on. He remembers visiting her late 1940's early 1950's when she was living on Cattell Road and had a green grocery shop. He does not know her christian name or age.( I originaly asked about Trade Directories and a gentleman sent some entries-her name was Ellen and the house number was 150) I would like to know if there is anywhere else I might look to see who lived with her?( Hopefully on line as I live in Kent.)I have found a possible Ellen Lacey and family in 1901 but connot find them further back. David can remember talk of an Uncle Bob Brettle, a fighter and feels there may be a link to the Lacey family.(There is a link to the Eccleston family as Rosina's mother, Elizabeth, was a Brettle before her marriage)I have found a little on Bob Brettle but as yet no connection. If anyone else has any of these names in their family, please get in touch. Thank you for reading the above, Ann Owen

Dear Listers, I am hoping that sks may be able to help me please?... I am stuck on this paticular brick wall!!... I am looking for the 1881/91 census with Amelia Garardao ( or variations) born 1873 in Surrey...I am desperste to find her parents.... She had a Brother CHARLES but, he was born in Birmingham!!.. I have her marriage date which is 1900 in Birminham to william walton Adams.. I would love to find her parents and where they lived etc...... I look forward to hearing from you.. many thanks, San....

Hi guys and guyesses, I have by process of calculated guesswork acquired a copy of death record which is not for my people. 1899/Q2/6d/211 Jane GIBBONS died 23 June 1899 at 52 Thimble Mill Lane U.D., aged 77 yrs widow of Charles GIBBONS, canal boat builder. Informant was Elizabeth COX, daughter, present at the death, of 52 Thimble Mill Lane, Aston. cheers Graham Dixon

Hello, I am a new list member searching for Myers, Aaron, Spiers, Benjamin in Birmingham in the early 1800's. Hoping there is someone else on the list searching these names someone who can help me , Joan Myers

Hello Tony, Thre are lots of references to gun making in Brum in "The Rise of the Manufacturing Town..Birmingham and the Industrial Revolution" by Eric Hopkins (1998 Sutton Publishing Company, Gloucestershire) It's a fascinating look at Birmingham with lots of factual details and pictures. Have a happy Christmas, Jan Tuan Queensland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Hofstee" <ahofstee@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: [B'ham] Rifle tester, gun finisher in 1870's, 1880's (PINNER/PENNER) > Was there a factory producing guns and/or rifles in Birmingham during > the 1870's and 1880's? William Pinner (or Penner) listed as gun > finisher in 1871 census was born about 1839 in Lyons or Paris in > France. He married for the first time about 1854 with an unknown to > me woman. William remarried in 1877 with Caroline Tolley supposedly > born in Corfu, Ionian Islands, Greece. William was also named as > William Merrin Pinner. Any information on William or about gun > finishers would be appreciated. Thanks. > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Anthony, I am writing a book on a specific period of Birmingham's gun industry, and have a little info' for you. William Pinner was a gun,rifle and pistol maker from 1866 to 1868, possibly longer. His business was listed at 8 court, Loveday Street. In 1877 there was also a William M. Pinner at 29, Whittall Street. These are probably the same man. This period that Pinner worked in was one of great change in the gun industry, namely the advent of breech loaders and also the volume of work that was taken from the B'ham makers by foreign imports. In the military branch of the trade much of their work was taken over by the B.S.A. and others. These may be the reasons for his relatively short stint in the trade. For further reading there are numerous books available through your local library covering the industry generally, viz:- The Birmingham Gun Trade by David Williams and another by Douglas Tate that are both very informative. Hope this helps. Regards, Mike Nicholls. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Hofstee" <ahofstee@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:46 AM Subject: [B'ham] Rifle tester, gun finisher in 1870's, 1880's (PINNER/PENNER) > Was there a factory producing guns and/or rifles in Birmingham during > the 1870's and 1880's? William Pinner (or Penner) listed as gun > finisher in 1871 census was born about 1839 in Lyons or Paris in > France. He married for the first time about 1854 with an unknown to > me woman. William remarried in 1877 with Caroline Tolley supposedly > born in Corfu, Ionian Islands, Greece. William was also named as > William Merrin Pinner. Any information on William or about gun > finishers would be appreciated. Thanks. > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much for the info you sent me Judy!! Very helpful indeed and i will certainly let you know how i get on! Have a lovely christmas.. cheers, sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Last" <paljude@hotmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] re; advice re; divorce?.... Hi San That is certainly a complicated story. I wish you luck in obtaining the divorce information. In my case the decree nisi finalising the 1st marriage was issued in September and the 2nd marriage took place in November of the same year. I found them very helpful at the Principal Registry of the Family Division, and found out not only the date of the divorce but also the grounds for divorce, and also the date and place of the first marriage. The Decree Nisi Absolute cost about £20-25 (can't remember exactly). The telephone number I have for Decree Absolute searches was 020 7947 7016/7017 if this is of help. Let me know how you get on. Happy Christmas! Judy >From: "Sandra Whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> >Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [B'ham] re; advice re; divorce?.... >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:42:05 -0000 > >Hello Judy, Many thanks for the advice you have sent me!! it is so kind of >you.....I do have a name for the first spouce who although was married to >my >Cousins mother, also had a son by his wifes sister, or so the story goes!! >The innocent child was then adopted and his Mother was sent abroad to live >with her other sister and died before the adopted son could find her!! >Anyway, we have found a 2nd marriage for the sister who was divorced in >1947..Her sisters baby was born 1947!!...So, we know the divorce took place >in 1945/6?. Hopefully!!!!! >I will certainley send for the marriage cert for the 2nd husband and see >what it says and also write to the address you have given me to see what >they can come up with?... >So sorry it is sooooooooo complicated Judy!! I bet you wished you had not >bothered to answer now?..ha/ha... I will let you know how we get on if that >is ok?.... >Thanks you again Judy. Have a great Christmas... >cheers, >San..... >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judy Last" <paljude@hotmail.com> >To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:30 PM >Subject: Re: [B'ham] re; advice re; divorce?.... > > > > Hello Sandra > > > > I don't know if this will help but I found the answer to my brick wall >when > > I applied for the marriage certificate of the second marriage which told >me > > the name of the divorced partner's first spouse. I then applied to the > > Principal Registry of the Family Division at First Avenue House, 42-49 >High > > Holborn, London WC1V 6NP, giving them all the information I knew and >they > > came back with the information about the divorce. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Judy > > > > > > >From: "Sandra Whitmore" <sandrawhitmore@blueyonder.co.uk> > > >Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > > >To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > > >Subject: [B'ham] re; advice re; divorce?.... > > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:31:30 -0000 > > > > > >Dear Listers, > > >I am hoping that SKS may be able to help me please?.. > > >I am trying to find out which year someone divorced!!...Is it possible >do > > >you know, to be able to look up a Divorce for a couple?... > > >i know when the couple married and also when the WIFE married her 2nd > > >husband but, need to know when she was divorced from her 1st hubby?.. > > >There is always one awkward person on the list!!..Yes, me of >course..Sorry > > >listers but if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be > > >just great!!.. > > >look forward to hearing from you. > > >thanks, > > >san. > > >_____________________________________________ > > >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > > >http://www.bham.de/ > > > > > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Think you're a film buff? 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Hi Anthony I have connections with Birmingham gunmakers, and I know that it was a centre for this industry, as well as London. He could have worked in a gunmaker shop at the back, perhaps. My gunmakers were MURCOTTs and HARDINGs, although my line had moved to London well before the end of the 19th century. HTH Katy Southampton, UK Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:46:56 -0500 From: Anthony Hofstee <ahofstee@sympatico.ca> Subject: [B'ham] Rifle tester, gun finisher in 1870's, 1880's (PINNER/PENNER) To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061215223824.01df8a90@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Was there a factory producing guns and/or rifles in Birmingham during the 1870's and 1880's? William Pinner (or Penner) listed as gun finisher in 1871 census was born about 1839 in Lyons or Paris in France. He married for the first time about 1854 with an unknown to me woman. William remarried in 1877 with Caroline Tolley supposedly born in Corfu, Ionian Islands, Greece. William was also named as William Merrin Pinner. Any information on William or about gun finishers would be appreciated. Thanks.

Katy, thanks..Tony At 08:35 AM 12/16/2006, you wrote: >Hi Anthony > >I have connections with Birmingham gunmakers, and I know that it was a >centre for this industry, as well as London. He could have worked in a >gunmaker shop at the back, perhaps. > >My gunmakers were MURCOTTs and HARDINGs, although my line had moved to >London well before the end of the 19th century. > >HTH > >Katy >Southampton, UK > >

Anne, thanks very much. A very informative article. I will add it to my notes. Tony At 05:35 AM 12/16/2006, you wrote: >There were heaps! >Have a look at this article for starters > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Quarter,_Birmingham > >Anne >On 16 Dec 2006, at 03:46, Anthony Hofstee wrote: > > > Was there a factory producing guns and/or rifles in Birmingham during > > the 1870's and 1880's? . > >

Ancestry do not seem to have American marriages, does anyone know where I might search on line - my great aunt moved from Aston to Fresno California, and I am anxious to find her daughters marriage, prob 1930s. Thanks Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Ancestry.co.uk > No, Ancestry is working for me ( Ancestry.com) > Anne > On 16 Dec 2006, at 10:19, Chris Wilshaw wrote: > >> Anyone having problems accessing the Ancestry census returns this >> morning? >> I keep getting an error >> >> Christine >> West Yorkshire >> >> >>

There were heaps! Have a look at this article for starters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Quarter,_Birmingham Anne On 16 Dec 2006, at 03:46, Anthony Hofstee wrote: > Was there a factory producing guns and/or rifles in Birmingham during > the 1870's and 1880's? . >

No, Ancestry is working for me ( Ancestry.com) Anne On 16 Dec 2006, at 10:19, Chris Wilshaw wrote: > Anyone having problems accessing the Ancestry census returns this > morning? > I keep getting an error > > Christine > West Yorkshire > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anyone having problems accessing the Ancestry census returns this morning? I keep getting an error Christine West Yorkshire

Was there a factory producing guns and/or rifles in Birmingham during the 1870's and 1880's? William Pinner (or Penner) listed as gun finisher in 1871 census was born about 1839 in Lyons or Paris in France. He married for the first time about 1854 with an unknown to me woman. William remarried in 1877 with Caroline Tolley supposedly born in Corfu, Ionian Islands, Greece. William was also named as William Merrin Pinner. Any information on William or about gun finishers would be appreciated. Thanks.

Should be her maiden name - but it depends what information was given to the registrar! Anne Anne On 15 Dec 2006, at 12:40, J hodge wrote: > Hi List > > When you are looking at births on the Full version of BMDs , what if a > woman was on her second marriage, would her maiden name be as before > her > first marriage , having problems with this. > > gary hodge

Hi List When you are looking at births on the Full version of BMDs , what if a woman was on her second marriage, would her maiden name be as before her first marriage , having problems with this. gary hodge