The G.M. reference is most likely to the Gentleman's Magazine - a long running English publication which did carry brief obituaries - you may be able to access it at a large reference library (it is held by our State Library here in Melbourne) The LDS have filmed some / all(?) of it: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=46838&disp=The+Gentleman%27s+magazine+..++ E.M. is something similar - Englishman's Magazine (?) Jane, Melbourne, Australia At 12:09 PM 12/29/2006, you wrote: >HAPPY NEW YEARS > >I have not been apart of this list for a couple years. >The interest I am researching is Edmund Goodbehere. > >I am trying to find details of his death records or obituary. > >This information was forwarded to me, could anyone suggest what I do next? > >_England Scotland, Ireland: Musgrave's Obituaries Prior to 1800 parts 3 & 4_ >"Compiled by Sir William Musgrave, with reference to the Books where >the persons >are mentioned, and where some account of their Character is to be found." >_* >GOODBEHERE, Edmund, of the Union Tavern at Birmingham 15 Nov 1791 (E.M. >400 G.M. 1069)*_ > >I believe 15 Nov 1791 to be the death date of this ancestor and hope to >find out more. > >I understand that December is not a busy month for genealogy but I am >trolling in hope >that someone might bite and give me a direction to go. > >Kathy Hodson >B.C., Canada > >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006

I would like to extend the warmest season greetings and a HAPPY NEW YEAR, to all the listers. I am looking for help in finding the parents or siblings of James Norton born 1803 in Birmingham and his wife Martha Cashmore born 1805 in Birmingham.They were married on 25 Dec.1824 in the Parish of Handsworth,St.Mary's ,Birmingham. I was also wondering if anyone is searching the following Birmingham families,cira to mid 1700's Cox Hall Pigg Lakin Any help with the above would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes. John Norton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I am seeking any information about Joseph Spencer, born St Martins Birmingham in 1800 and married there in 1820 to Mary Ann Onions. Two documents we have give his occupation as 'Builder' and I see the 1855 PO Directory for Warwickshire lists a Joseph Spencer, builder, in Long St. Three of his children lived in that street when 1891 census was taken. Any help would be appreciated. Jan

Ken I have an Ann DEELEY born 1800 Halesowen /WOR - married 1820 Thomas BEARDMORE born Birmingham 1797 ,at Aston Juxta Birmingham, and lived in Birmingham. I don't have details of Ann's Parents and siblings but Halesowen P R's are available in many locations online. I did locate this entry in the 1851 Census. Unfortunately Hannah is not with her parents !! Head: RAMSBOTTOM, William Neighbours 237315 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace William RAMSBOTTOM Head M 76 M Brass Maker Birmm-WAR Hannah RAMSBOTTOM Wife M 73 F --- Westbromwich-STF Hannah DEELEY Serv U 14 F All Work Birmm-WAR Address: 10 Brass House Yard, Birmingham - Lady Wood Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham - Lady Wood, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2051 Folio: 44 Page: 33 FHL Film: 0087306 hth Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth William Bibb Sent: Thursday, 28 December 2006 10:16 p.m. To: ENG-WARKS Subject: [B'ham] Deeley Hi List, I am interested in the DEELEY family in Brum I have Hannah born abt 1836 married to Henry BIBB 1857. Is anyone tracing the family of DEELEY? Ken B _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Butting in here ,sometimes emails bounce because the recipents inbox is full at their server, you may get a message saying that,and maybe there was space available but your message bumped it over the limit allowed, and therefore was bounced. It went through yahoo because there was plenty of room. gary hodge Anthony Hofstee wrote: > Linda, thanks. Don't know what happened at my sympatico address. I > will have to check that out. How big was the file that you sent? Tony > PS The files arrived at the Yahoo address without any problem. > > At 03:48 PM 12/28/2006, you wrote: > >> Tony, I got another automatic fail with the sympatico address, so please >> check your yahoo account. >> Thanks >> Linda >> Staffs UK >> Researching: >> Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants >> Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller >> Morgan Simmons Baker >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

In a message dated 29/12/2006 14:17:58 GMT Standard Time, hrolph@yahoo.co.uk writes: Anthony, hello, Just a thought - in the same household in 1871 is a Joseph TURNER, aged 44. Could he be a brother of George Goodfellow TURNER and father of Lizzie TURNER. There is a Lizzie Mary TURNER ON Free BMD, birth registered March 1/4 1872 and four Joseph TURNER, births registered between September 1/4 1846 and December 1/4 1848. Just a thought, Helen in chilly France Hi Helen (in chilly France) Just done the searches, and I can't find a connection between Joseph and Lizzie (Eliza, Elizabeth etc). I have 'found' a Joseph TURNER b.04.04.1827, chr. 14.01.1828 St Philips B'ham - but no connections to any family members so far. I really appreciate your assistance, and hope you have a rewarding & joyous New Year! Best rgds Anthony (in chilly Worcestershire)

Hello Ken I have a George DEELEY born 1856 Birmingham he married Harriet JENNINGS they are living with her father David JENNINGS in 1881. Regards Wendy Partridge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth William Bibb" <kbibb@bigpond.com> To: "ENG-WARKS" <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [B'ham] Deeley > Hi List, > I am interested in the DEELEY family in Brum I have Hannah born abt 1836 > married to Henry BIBB 1857. > Is anyone tracing the family of DEELEY? > > Ken B > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers MERRY XMAS!! I have hit a problem with my Birmingham ancestry. I am related to the TURNER clan from Birmingham - Richard TURNER b.1809 (m) Emma GOODFELLOW b.1810, they produced George Goodfellow TURNER b.1843 (m) Cecilia Ann MARTIN b.1845. >From the marriage of George & Cecilia came Florence Bertha (b.1879), Matilda/Tilly (b.1885), Emma/Emily/Pem (b.1872), George Goodfellow (b.1876) and Amelia/Minnie (b.1870). My problem is that after George TURNER's death (when Cecilia was a widow) in the 1891 census there is a Lizzie TURNER (b.1871) as Cecilia's STEPDAUGHTER. Can anybody shed any light on her? Are there any listers who are related to these TURNERS? I wish everyone a very merry Xmas, and good luck with all your searches. Thanks in anticipation Anthony (from TURNER, GOODFELLOW and HOLYOAK stock!)

Kia Ora Joy I have only the 2nd marriage cert of Caroline Hodgkiss where she states she is a widow, lives in Saltley St and is aged 25. All of that info fits with the 1881 census perfectly. However she says her father is Edward and under occupation I can only interpret the writing as "deceased " I suspect Caroline was born in Birmingham and christened at St Judes along with 2 brothers Frederick & Thomas. Parents Edward and Sarah. (IGI) If that is the case Edward & Sarah nee Christopher married at St Martin B'ham in 1847. I cannot find a birth registration unless she was originally a Catharine or Charlotte!! I don't have Caroline Reeves on any census before 1881. So if there is a kind soul who could help by finding Caroline REEVES born <1857> B'ham on the 1871 or 1861 I'd be most grateful! If she is with parents Edward & Sarah that might help in finding their places of birth and might give us a clue as to whether there is any connection Joy! Regards Marlene. Joy Illguth wrote: > Hi Marlene, > Regarding Caroline Reeves do you have any idea where her parents came from? > as I have Reeves from Gloucester, they also had a Caroline, whom I can't > find. Birth around 1823 though. > cheers Joy > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am looking for help in finding the siblings of Elizabeth SHAKESPEARE born 12 December 1778. Her parents were James SHAKESPEARE looking for siblings too., and Charlotte FLETCHER bn Approximately 24 May 1765. Does Charlotte have any siblings? Is anyone else researching the SHAKESPEARE or FLETCHER Families of Birmingham? Please contact me: karenleto@bellsouth.net Thank you, Karen

Tony, I got another automatic fail with the sympatico address, so please check your yahoo account. Thanks Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Hofstee" <ahofstee@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Francis BARNES > Linda, send them to ahofstee@sympatico.ca You may have to send them > in 2 files since my service provider might not like the size of the > file. If that fails again, you can also try sending them to my > alternate e-mail address which is hoffer_45@yahoo.com Thanks. Tony > > At 03:11 PM 12/28/2006, you wrote: >>Tony, >>The images were returned to me as undeliverable. Can you send me an email >>off list please to confirm your details and I will re-send the details. >>Thanks. >>lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk >>Regards >>Linda >>Staffs UK >>Researching: >>Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants >>Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller >>Morgan Simmons Baker >>

1841 Name Estimated birth year Birthplace Civil parish County/Island Alfred Barnes abt 1833 Warwickshire, England Birmingham Warwickshire Eliza Barnes abt 1835 Warwickshire, England Birmingham Warwickshire Elizabeth Barnes abt 1811 Warwickshire, England Birmingham Warwickshire Francis Barnes abt 1806 ( not Warwickshire) Birmingham Warwickshire Thos Barnes abt 1837 Warwickshire, England Birmingham Warwickshire Civil parish: Birmingham Hundred: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Cobshill Street Occupation: Carpenter Source information: HO107/1145/5 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 10 Page: 13 Line number: 2 1851 Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 11 Branston St. Occupation: Joiner & Cabinet Maker ( Frances sen. ) Brass Cork Founder ( Alfred) Pearl Worker ( Eliza & Thomas) Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2059; Folio: 107; Page: 27 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: All Saints ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 102 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Barnes 18 Eliza Barnes 16 Elizth Barnes 39 Frances Barnes 40 Frances Barnes 6 Thos Barnes 14 Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Civil parish County/Island Eliza Barnes Frances, Elizth abt 1835 Birmingham Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Elizth Barnes Frances abt 1812 Birmingham Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Frances Barnes Elizth abt 1811 Colchester, Essex, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire Frances Barnes Frances, Elizth abt 1845 Birmingham Son Birmingham Warwickshire Thos Barnes Frances, Elizth abt 1837 Birmingham Son Birmingham Warwickshire Alfred Barnes Frances, Elizth abt 1833 Birmingham Son Birmingham Warwickshire 1861 1861 England Census about Francis J Barnes Name: Francis J Barnes Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Son Father's name: Francis J Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 4 Hicks Square Occupation: Cabinet maker ( Francis senior & junior) Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2147; Folio: 70; Page: 17 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 83 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Barnes 49 Francis J Barnes 56 Francis J Barnes 16 Elizabeth Barnes Francis J abt 1812 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Francis J Barnes Elizabeth abt 1805 Colchester, Essex, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire Francis J Barnes Francis J, Elizabeth abt 1845 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire On 28 Dec 2006, at 19:30, Anthony Hofstee wrote: > Would somebody who has access to the 1841 and 1851 census returns for > Birmingham please send me the information on the family of Francis > Barnes and wife Elizabeth. Included in the family there should be an > Eliza born about 1836 (1835). Does Francis also show up in > 1861? Francis probably died before 1871 as I think I have found his > widow in 1871 living with William Penner in St. Peter District 9 > Birmingham. Thanks. Tony > A. Hofstee, St. Thomas, ON, Canada > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Tony, The images were returned to me as undeliverable. Can you send me an email off list please to confirm your details and I will re-send the details. Thanks. lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk Regards Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Hofstee" <ahofstee@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:30 PM Subject: [B'ham] Francis BARNES > Would somebody who has access to the 1841 and 1851 census returns for > Birmingham please send me the information on the family of Francis > Barnes and wife Elizabeth. Included in the family there should be an > Eliza born about 1836 (1835). Does Francis also show up in > 1861? Francis probably died before 1871 as I think I have found his > widow in 1871 living with William Penner in St. Peter District 9 > Birmingham. Thanks. Tony > A. Hofstee, St. Thomas, ON, Canada > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: > 28/12/2006 00:22 > >

Found on 1841 and 1851 and images sent off list Regards Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Morgan Simmons Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Hofstee" <ahofstee@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:30 PM Subject: [B'ham] Francis BARNES > Would somebody who has access to the 1841 and 1851 census returns for > Birmingham please send me the information on the family of Francis > Barnes and wife Elizabeth. Included in the family there should be an > Eliza born about 1836 (1835). Does Francis also show up in > 1861? Francis probably died before 1871 as I think I have found his > widow in 1871 living with William Penner in St. Peter District 9 > Birmingham. Thanks. Tony > A. Hofstee, St. Thomas, ON, Canada >

Hi List, I am interested in the DEELEY family in Brum I have Hannah born abt 1836 married to Henry BIBB 1857. Is anyone tracing the family of DEELEY? Ken B

Hello fellow listers. reposting my interests. MATTHEWS of St Phillps, Birmingham Warwickshire circa mid to late 1700's, especially interested in the following family Edward Matthews - father Ann Matthews- mother John Matthews -son bap 1792 Maria Matthews -dau bap 1792 Clara Matthews - dau bap 1794 all the children were baptised at in the parish of St Phillips and I think there maybe a connection with canals . If any thinks they may have a connection with this family or information that may be of use, I would love to hear from you. Steve

HAPPY NEW YEARS I have not been apart of this list for a couple years. The interest I am researching is Edmund Goodbehere. I am trying to find details of his death records or obituary. This information was forwarded to me, could anyone suggest what I do next? _England Scotland, Ireland: Musgrave's Obituaries Prior to 1800 parts 3 & 4_ "Compiled by Sir William Musgrave, with reference to the Books where the persons are mentioned, and where some account of their Character is to be found." _* GOODBEHERE, Edmund, of the Union Tavern at Birmingham 15 Nov 1791 (E.M. 400 G.M. 1069)*_ I believe 15 Nov 1791 to be the death date of this ancestor and hope to find out more. I understand that December is not a busy month for genealogy but I am trolling in hope that someone might bite and give me a direction to go. Kathy Hodson B.C., Canada

Linda, thanks. Don't know what happened at my sympatico address. I will have to check that out. How big was the file that you sent? Tony PS The files arrived at the Yahoo address without any problem. At 03:48 PM 12/28/2006, you wrote: >Tony, I got another automatic fail with the sympatico address, so please >check your yahoo account. >Thanks >Linda >Staffs UK >Researching: >Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants >Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller >Morgan Simmons Baker >

Linda, send them to ahofstee@sympatico.ca You may have to send them in 2 files since my service provider might not like the size of the file. If that fails again, you can also try sending them to my alternate e-mail address which is hoffer_45@yahoo.com Thanks. Tony At 03:11 PM 12/28/2006, you wrote: >Tony, >The images were returned to me as undeliverable. Can you send me an email >off list please to confirm your details and I will re-send the details. >Thanks. >lindafh@blueyonder.co.uk >Regards >Linda >Staffs UK >Researching: >Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants >Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller >Morgan Simmons Baker >

Would somebody who has access to the 1841 and 1851 census returns for Birmingham please send me the information on the family of Francis Barnes and wife Elizabeth. Included in the family there should be an Eliza born about 1836 (1835). Does Francis also show up in 1861? Francis probably died before 1871 as I think I have found his widow in 1871 living with William Penner in St. Peter District 9 Birmingham. Thanks. Tony A. Hofstee, St. Thomas, ON, Canada