Can someone do a look up for me please please... I have a Henry DAY, and his wife Caroline BALL DAY dying on 25 Sept 1865, the curious part is its the same day, Was it a Fire??, accident?? I would like to know what happened to them. Thank you, Karen

My Gr gr grandfather was a "spoonmaker" in Birminghamin about 1840. Would that be considered "jewelry" in a larger sense. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: j.dodd<mailto:jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [B'ham] Jewellery Quarter Three generations of my family (DODD) worked as jewellers in the Jewellery Quarter between about1850 and 1930. I am trying to find out what they made and where they worked. Does anybody have any ideas about where I could start. I have tried the Jewellery museum, but that doesn't seem very helpful. Also trying to find the antecedents of ENOCH DODD, b.1811, in King's Norton/Handsworth area. Can anyone help. Thank you John Dodd _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/<http://www.bham.de/> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HNY everyone Please can I indulge your time.... Several years ago I lived in a house that was demolished in the Birmingham Tornado 2 years ago; my dearest friends lived there as well; they have only just returned to their rebuilt house and lost in the Tornado through rain and LOOTING, were all their family history records. I am trying to rebuild their tree for them - recorded on paper only, and am going through all the usual processes. However if anyone reading this has any information about the family WARDER, particularly those carrying the middle name of Winsloe/Winslow please could we swop info. Mainly based in Aston/Balsall Heath - although originating elsewhere - Devon, Gloucester etc. For those interested in the after effects of this tornado - one of them gets severe jitters when the wind blows and the other when it rains; the rebuilt houses are smaller, the gardens untouched by the storm have been bulldozed and many many people were under or not insured. I could write more but this is not the place Thanks for reading this Jilly, West Wales ( wet and windy...huh!.....small beer in comparison)

Three generations of my family (DODD) worked as jewellers in the Jewellery Quarter between about1850 and 1930. I am trying to find out what they made and where they worked. Does anybody have any ideas about where I could start. I have tried the Jewellery museum, but that doesn't seem very helpful. Also trying to find the antecedents of ENOCH DODD, b.1811, in King's Norton/Handsworth area. Can anyone help. Thank you John Dodd

Hi everyone! I am trying to find a Robert GOUGH in the 1861 and 1851 census. In 1871, he was 22yrs old and married to Matilda ASHTON, living in Bristol Road, St Thomas Birmingham. He said he was born Middlesex London and was a purse and pocket book manufacturer in later census. His age and place of birth were consistent in each census and he had moved to Latimer Street by 1881 with a new wife, Alice FENNEY. On 17 May 1865, he married Matilda ASHTON at the Register Office Birmingham. He was 19yrs old and a Bridle Maker, living at 103 Bell Barn Road Birmingham. His father was a William GOUGH, a Gardener (deceased). Matilda ASHTON was living at Nelson Street South Birmingham when she married and her father was Samuel ASHTON, a Basket Maker. I have been able to follow Samuel ASHTON's family in the census, but I have not been able to identify Robert GOUGH in census before 1871. Witnesses at the 1865 marriage : Charles Williams CLARKE and Sarah WHITE Can anyone help me find Robert GOUGH please? His grandaughter said that an ancestor was a Mayor of LONDON, but there are no GOUGH names on the List of Mayors. Thanks very much, Judy Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.4/615 - Release Date: 1/3/2007

Hi John, Unfortunately the 1841 doesn't give exact ages, ( rounded down to the nearest 5) or relationships or birthplaces. The nearest match I can find is this one in Solihull, with mother Mary. You can see tht Mary and James and many of his siblings were not born in Warwickshire. 1841 England Census about James Warner Name: James Warner Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Name Estimated birth year Birthplace Civil parish County/Island Ann Warner abt 1827 Solihull Warwickshire Charles Warner abt 1829 Solihull Warwickshire Edward Warner abt 1838 Warwickshire, England Solihull Warwickshire Fredrick Warner abt 1836 Warwickshire, England Solihull Warwickshire James Warner abt 1826 Solihull Warwickshire Mary Warner abt 1796 Solihull Warwickshire Civil parish: Solihull Hundred: Hemlingford (Solihull Division) County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Warwick Street Source information: HO107/1129/14 Registration district: Solihull Sub-registration district: Solihull ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 39 Page: 6 Line number: 5 HTH Anne On 4 Jan 2007, at 11:43, Jrmiddy@aol.com wrote: > > I am seeking a WARNER family possibly living in Birmingham ( also > possibly > Aston area)in 1841. They were born in Coaley ( possibly > Cowley)/Cheltenham, > Cambridge( Gloucester village) or other surrounding districts in > Gloucester. > The details i have are : > > James Warner son born c1822 ( therefore 17- 19 years of age) > Catherine Warner born c 1838 ( therefore 2-4 years old)...this sister > is not > a definite > Parents possibly Edward and Priscilla Warner (or less likely Samuel > and Mary > Warner) > > I have all the census details from 1851 onwards but am missing the > 1841. > > Hope someone can help, > > John > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Robin: I don't know if there is a connection. I think Sarah Hand is my GGgrandmother's sister, so in any event, there is no direct relationship. I am not at all familar with William Hand's family. Mary Robin Slamp wrote: >Mary; This message just caught my attention. I have HAND in my family. >My gg-grandmother was Elizabeth Hand (b B'ham abt 1826) dau of William Hand >and Lucy Hawtin. Elizabeth married William Vaughan of B'ham 1846 in >B'ham. Any connection to yours? >Robin in NJ/USA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mary & Bob Schipp" <Bschipp@pobox.com> >To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:57 PM >Subject: [B'ham] Hand > > > > >>Dear Mike >>Is that "Hand" or "Hands"? Witnesses to the wedding in 1844 of my >>gggrandparents, Benjamin Bourne and Ann Gateley, were Sarah and William >>Hand. I have been unable to find them on either the 1841 or 1851 census, >>and have not been looking lately, but your request caught my eye >>(distractions are my forte - or downfall), so, if these names look >>familiar, please let me know. >> >>Mary (researching Bourne) >> >>_____________________________________________ >>Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>http://www.bham.de/ >> >>Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Mary, I'm afraid it's HANDS. However, as there are far less of them you might find tracking them easier. HAND sometimes becomes HANDS, but I think I've only ever seen HANDS becoming HAND twice in the last 8 years. One tramsformation was around Belbroughton or Hagley, can't quite remember where. Mike > Dear Mike > Is that "Hand" or "Hands"? Witnesses to the wedding in 1844 of my > gggrandparents, Benjamin Bourne and Ann Gateley, were Sarah and > William Hand. I have been unable to find them on either the 1841 or > 1851 census, and have not been looking lately, but your request caught > my eye (distractions are my forte - or downfall), so, if these names > look familiar, please let me know. > > Mary (researching Bourne) -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk

Hi Pauline The 1861 census shows him as aged 24 born in Paris a jeweller by occupation RG9 100 41 4 Maximen L Cote 24 (a lodger with several others) Where born: Paris Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Pancras County/Island: Middlesex Country: England I do not see him in 1871 or any directories I have Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Hello all > > Does anyone have either a trade or Post Office directory of Birmingham > just > prior to 1877 please? > > I have been sent a burial card for a man who lived in Caroline Street and > was buried in Key Hill Cemetery. He has a fairly unusual name, and I am > eager to know his occupation. > > Maximen Joseph L'Hote died 17th October 1877.

Hello all Does anyone have either a trade or Post Office directory of Birmingham just prior to 1877 please? I have been sent a burial card for a man who lived in Caroline Street and was buried in Key Hill Cemetery. He has a fairly unusual name, and I am eager to know his occupation. Maximen Joseph L'Hote died 17th October 1877. I might need to purchase his death certificate, but I am trying to avoid that, as this is not for my own family history research, but in connection with a book I am compiling on the 'residents' of Key Hill. Keeping fingers crossed. Pauline

Thanks to all who offered advice on the subject of Morbis Chardis. I am now included to think that the registrar may have registered a death not long before of someone with Cholera - hence the 'h' where it does not really belong. Regards Pauline

Could it have been "MORBUS CORDIS" ? iF SO. it is a chronic heart desease. This, from a very old "nurses dictionary." At 09:40 PM 1/3/2007, you wrote: >Hello all > >I have today received a death certificate of my 3 x gt grandfather. > >The cause of death is Morbus Chardis (or that is what it looks like), >Anasarca and Ascites. I know what Morbis is and Anasarca and Ascites but >what is Chardis please, does anyone know? > >Many thanks > >Pauline > > >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some of my old certificates cite cause of death as Morbus Cardis. I interpret that as Heart Failure. (as in cardiac!) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Jones" <rhjones19@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Death Query > I've googled - could it be Morbus Cordis? - which is 'heart disease' > > and found this link - http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/medical-diseases.htm > > Roz > > Pauline Roberts <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: > Hello all > > I have today received a death certificate of my 3 x gt grandfather. > > The cause of death is Morbus Chardis (or that is what it looks like), > Anasarca and Ascites. I know what Morbis is and Anasarca and Ascites but > what is Chardis please, does anyone know? > > Many thanks > > Pauline > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am seeking a WARNER family possibly living in Birmingham ( also possibly Aston area)in 1841. They were born in Coaley ( possibly Cowley)/Cheltenham, Cambridge( Gloucester village) or other surrounding districts in Gloucester. The details i have are : James Warner son born c1822 ( therefore 17- 19 years of age) Catherine Warner born c 1838 ( therefore 2-4 years old)...this sister is not a definite Parents possibly Edward and Priscilla Warner (or less likely Samuel and Mary Warner) I have all the census details from 1851 onwards but am missing the 1841. Hope someone can help, John

Is anyone researching or have information about the HARMON & EMBREY Families in Birmingham from about 1820 to the present day? Joseph & Susannah (nee DAY) HARMON, their children all born between 1826-1843: Sarah, Thomas, William, Henry, Mary & John George & Esther (nee DAY) EMBREY, their son George Jr., daughters Catherine, Esther, and Harriett all the children were born between 1835 and 1849. I think George Jr. Was a Chemist that eventually moved to Glouchestershire with his wife Eliza, and daughter Minnie Eliza. Thanks for your help AGAIN!!! Karen

Thanks, Chris. Good points. Ggm Elizabeth SIMMONDS was 84 when she died (1943) in Selly Oak hospital after falling at her home at 63 Milcote Road. There was an inquest so the accidental death was reported by the coroner and not by a family member. Since Elizabeth CALLAGHAN was at the same address I hoped this might be her daughter, Elizabeth. Names I have been researching in connection with this family: JENKINS, WATERS/WALTERS, SIMMONDS/SYMONDS all in the Birmingham area and BLACKWELL in Somerset. ----- Original Message ----- From: <famhist@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Charles Edward and Elizabeth CALLAGHAN > On 02 Jan, Dawn Matheson <laverty@kos.net> wrote: > >> Death certificate for my ggm Elizabeth JENKINS WALTERS SIMMONDS gives >> her address as: 63 Milcote Road, Selly Oak. She died 28 Feb 1943. >> Electoral rolls for 1939/40 and 1945 list Charles Edward and Elizabeth >> CALLAGHAN at that address. Ggm Elizabeth had a daughter Elizabeth b. >> abt 1896 but I have not found a marriage to CALLAGHAN. Hope someone is >> researching the CALLAGHAN name. > > Had you thought she might be renting from the Callaghans? Qualifications > for voting changed in the first part of the 20th century and so she may > not > have got on the register in her own right. > > Another possibility is that she didn't actually marry Charles Callaghan, > but used his name for the Electoral Register. > >> Best wishes to all for good luck in your research in 2007. Ggm Elizabeth >> was my brick wall for many years so don't give up! I found her! >> Regards, >> Dawn Matheson >> Ontario, Canada >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ > >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Chris Pampling > researching: > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, > MAHER > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present > VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Thanks to Mike and Roz. I have not found it on any web site so far, but will check the one I have been sent by Mike. It does appear to be a clear H. I shall have to look further into this. Many thanks Pauline

Dear Mike I am not related to HANDS at all but I noticed the name as there is one Azael HANDS who was a witness in a rather distressing court case that involved my great grandfather in 1894 in Rugby Warwickshire. My great grandfather was accused of manslaughter but I have to add here that he was found Not Guilty! If you are interested in Azael HANDS and his wife, Lucy, I would be glad to send on my transcription of the newspaper article that I found in Warwickshire Record Office. I have included my email address as I would send the document as an attachment off list. Regards Janet janet@ellisat16.freeserve.co.uk Yes, I'm looking at my HANDS again. My HANDS have variously escaped from Redditch/Tardebigge, Studley, Bromsgrove and Kings Norton over the past few hundred years. The database grows all the time. Another one this week popped up, one Henry HANDS, Blacksmith, of Bromsgrove, found in 1891 Deritend, Aston. So if anyone else has lost their HANDS, I may have found them. I also know a number of unrelated researchers who I may be able to put you in touch with. Kind regards Mike Yegwart

On 03 Jan, Pauline Roberts <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: > Hello all > I have today received a death certificate of my 3 x gt grandfather. > The cause of death is Morbus Chardis (or that is what it looks like), > Anasarca and Ascites. I know what Morbis is and Anasarca and Ascites > but what is Chardis please, does anyone know? I think it should be Chordis, a misspelling of Cordis = heart. > Many thanks > Pauline -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Mary; This message just caught my attention. I have HAND in my family. My gg-grandmother was Elizabeth Hand (b B'ham abt 1826) dau of William Hand and Lucy Hawtin. Elizabeth married William Vaughan of B'ham 1846 in B'ham. Any connection to yours? Robin in NJ/USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary & Bob Schipp" <Bschipp@pobox.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: [B'ham] Hand > Dear Mike > Is that "Hand" or "Hands"? Witnesses to the wedding in 1844 of my > gggrandparents, Benjamin Bourne and Ann Gateley, were Sarah and William > Hand. I have been unable to find them on either the 1841 or 1851 census, > and have not been looking lately, but your request caught my eye > (distractions are my forte - or downfall), so, if these names look > familiar, please let me know. > > Mary (researching Bourne) > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >