Gas works? Ken, since north sea gas (about 1971) we have no gas works - or at least I don't think we do. They were there to make gas from coal, producing coke as a by product. Ugly they were too, so not a bad thing. Gas now comes from Europe and Russia as the north sea has run out or almost run out of gas. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth William Bibb" <kbibb@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham's Railway Mission House > from an ex Brummie Saltley is also home to a big gas works unless they have > chopped it down in the last 40 years. Ken B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J hodge" <jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham's Railway Mission House > > > Hi Anne List > > For those that are not local to birmingham , I would like to point out > that the saltley itself is home to a large railway sidings and main > lines run through them . > > Anne Peat wrote: > > The Railway Mission seems to be an international mission organisation. > > It was widespread in Victorian and Edwardian times > > > >> Railway Mission, The; 1881; 1, Adam Street, Strand, W.C.; The > >> spiritual, moral and physical welfare of railway employés. One > >> thousand religious and temperance meetings are held by the Mission > >> every week. > >> > >> Railway Mission Convalescent Homes; 1887; Ditto; Has Convalescent > >> Homes at St. Leonards-on-Sea and Southport, exclusively for railway > >> men of all lines. > >> > > It is still in existence and has a website. > > http://www.railwaymission.org/. > > > > and can be contacted at > > The Railway Mission > > > > Room 4 > > Denison House North > > Hexthorpe Road > > Doncaster > > DN4 0EL > > United Kingdom > > > > ( There is also now a railway engine called 'Railway Mission') > > There was one in Birmingham near St Mary's Acock's Green > > > > > >> St. Mary's used to have several outlying buildings. The Church House > >> opened c. 1908 at the corner of Arden Road and Rookwood Road, and > >> since about 1983 has been in the hands of Birmingham City Mission. A > >> mission room was opened at Spring Road in 1881, and was moved to > >> Summer Road as St. Gabriel's when the North Warwickshire Line was > >> about to be built, c. 1905, as the line would have gone through the > >> chapel. This mission room was replaced by a Memorial Hall in 1928/9. > >> The idea had been to have a permanent chapel there, but it was decided > >> that a room for social and recreation purposes was needed. Another > >> room, the Jubilee Hall behind the Memorial Hall, was opened in 1936: > >> money for it was raised in part by Leonard Skan, a well-known local > >> milkman. There were tennis courts and other sports facilities on site > >> (thanks to Kath Huckfield for help with this information). Around > >> 1938, a Railway Mission Room opened next to the railway at Spring > >> Road, but it did not belong to St. Mary's. It is still there, as a > >> Congregational chapel. > >> > > > > and British History on-line has this to say about the building in St > > Andrew's Street. > > > > Bromford Lane Birches Green Evangelical Free Church was registered for > > public worship in 1947. (fn. 59) > > > > St. Andrew's Street, Small Heath Dr. Crabbe Memorial Mission was > > established in the former Railway Mission hall in St. Andrew's Street > > in 1948. The mission appears to have been founded about 1918, in honour > > of the former superintendent of the Birmingham Medical Mission, q.v., > > and occupied the Dr. Crabbe Memorial Hall, Bordesley Street, from 1925 > > to 1947. (fn. 60) Immediately prior to the move to St. Andrew's > > Street it met at a hall in Sandy Lane, belonging to the Presbyterian > > Church. (fn. 61) > > > > HTH > > Anne > > On 5 Jan 2007, at 14:28, Allan Halstead wrote: > > > > > >> My wife's grandfather, Benjamin George HARRIS, died on the Somme on > >> 1/7/1916 aged 21. > >> > >> His Commonwealth War Graves Commission certificate shows his parents > >> as Walter and Annie HARRIS of Railway Mission House, St. Andrew's St., > >> Birmingham but I'm having no luck in tracing them. > >> > >> I've tried Googling "Birmingham Railway Mission House" but to no avail. > >> > >> Is it likely that the family would have been living there as > >> caretakers, and if so, are there likely to be any employment records > >> anywhere? > >> > >> Incidentally, my wife was also christened at this Mission House in > >> 1938. > >> > >> Any help would be much appreciated. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Allan Halstead > >> > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > > http://www.bham.de/ > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Doesn't all this revolve around 1723's John PERKINS. If he is a member of 1719's Thomas's family then the parents would seem to be Richard & Ann PERKINS - otherwise Thomas & Elizabeth. Although, admittedly, life is never as simple as that, is it. Regards, Allan Halstead

I have been thinking about the previous posting of this on the list. Is a pauper not someone who is receiving Parish Relief? Pauline

Hello Keith Records for St Philip and St Martin are available in Birmingham Library. I know from my own research that all are not on the IGI, it is very incomplete. BMSGH have some fiche available, but I am not sure exactly how many have been produced. Google BMSGH and you can purchase from the site, as NZ is a bit of a long way to travel!! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith NZ" <genmail@ihug.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin > Birmingham is a new area of research for me, hence this question. > > Do indexes exist for baptisms, marriages and burial at Birmingham St, > Martin and St. Philip for the period 1790 to 1837 ? > > The IGI has some marriages and some baptisms, but I suspect not all > for the above period I cite. But of course it does not have burials. > > The surname I am interested in currently is WYON, a rather uncommon > one. > > Any guidance re the above will be much appreciated. > > Keith Wellington, NZ > >

I do not think so. Spoon makers were a thing apart from jewellers. Silversmiths and jewellers were two different occupations, even though they often worked the same metals. I used to work (in 1964) for a company which made, amongst other things, silver spoons, and they did notcall themselves jewellers, but silversmiths. The Company, which does not exist anymore, was Barker Brothers, later becoming Barker Ellis. They made silverware for Mappin and Webb and other retailers. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Curry" <nancurry@msn.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Jewellery Quarter My Gr gr grandfather was a "spoonmaker" in Birminghamin about 1840. Would that be considered "jewelry" in a larger sense. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: j.dodd<mailto:jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> To: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [B'ham] Jewellery Quarter Three generations of my family (DODD) worked as jewellers in the Jewellery Quarter between about1850 and 1930. I am trying to find out what they made and where they worked. Does anybody have any ideas about where I could start. I have tried the Jewellery museum, but that doesn't seem very helpful. Also trying to find the antecedents of ENOCH DODD, b.1811, in King's Norton/Handsworth area. Can anyone help. Thank you John Dodd _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/<http://www.bham.de/> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@ro otsweb.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-reques t@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone give me any information about a Arthur HODSON, I beleive he was a constable in the 1901. He was born in Staffordshire, I beleive out of wedlock to a Hannah Hodson, who went on to marry a man named Whiteleg, and had another child, WHITELEG died before the little girl was born Mary Annie Whiteleg (Hodson), Hannah then married a John HAYES had a few children and moved with them to Australia, leaving Arthur and Mary Annie in England. ANy information about them would be greatly appreciated. Karen

Image sent off list. Barb Stacey Solihull > I wonder if someone could do a look up for me on the 1871 census . > Hannah Messenger was 3 years old on the 1861 census, the daughter of > Thomas and Ann Messenger >in Aston.

Hi Listers, I've just found a member of my family on the 1861 Census who is listed as a "Pauper." She was 70 and mother-in-law of the Head, who was a widow. Was the word "Pauper" only used when a family was poor as this description was not written next to the Head of the family, or would it just be because the mother-in-law had no means of support? Would be interested to hear any comments. Diane (Melbourne)

Birmingham is a new area of research for me, hence this question. Do indexes exist for baptisms, marriages and burial at Birmingham St, Martin and St. Philip for the period 1790 to 1837 ? The IGI has some marriages and some baptisms, but I suspect not all for the above period I cite. But of course it does not have burials. The surname I am interested in currently is WYON, a rather uncommon one. Any guidance re the above will be much appreciated. Keith Wellington, NZ

Dear Georgina, Would you mind looking up Benjamin Spencer from about 1780-1830. Many thanks! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Suttonian1@aol.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Jewellery Quarter > In a message dated 1/4/2007 9:35:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jl.dodd@ntlworld.com writes: > > Three generations of my family (DODD) worked as jewellers in the > Jewellery > Quarter between about1850 and 1930. I am trying to find out what they > made > and where they worked. > > Hi, > > I have a book "Jewellery Making in Birmingham 1750-1995" by Sheena Mason. > It has a listing of all the members of The Birmingham Jewellers' and > Silversmiths' Association > in 1915, and their addresses. > > I have looked in that listing and I cannot find any DODD names. > This doesn't mean that they were not jewellers, just that they were not > members of the Association. > > > > Georgina Goodby Fisher > formerly from Sutton Coldfield > now in Orange, California > 6 miles east of Disneyland > _www.goodbytree.org_ (http://www.goodbytree.org/) > Goons member #4148 > One Name Study of Goodby > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Pauline, Your research is back in a time when families moved very little during their lifetimes. Even later than that many of my ancestors married brothers or sisters and named their children after them. My suggestion is that there are two families here. Can you find a death record/gravestone which may enlighten you as to which parents belong to your line. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Paulinefin@aol.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] 2 Sets of Parents > Happy New Year to you all. > I have a dilemma, my 5xG Grandfather THOMAS PERKINS was born 1719 in > Sambourne near Coughton. There are 2 sets of Parents. Baptism > Dates > THOMAS PERKINS and ELIZABETH 3rd > of > August 1719, > RICHARD PERKINS and ANN 12th > August 1719. > > So I thought I would look at his brother RICHARD PERKINS and guess what > he's > got 2 sets of Parents Baptism Dates > THOMAS PERKINS and ELIZABETH 17th June > 1717 > RICHARD PERKINS and ANN 15th January > 1721. > I just don't know which way to go, so I can continue to go back. > Any help would be much appreciated. > Many thanks Pauline F. > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A quick note: my gr grandfather also seems to have two sets of parents. One set listed on his birth cert. and also in the 1851 census. Then, on his death cert. it names two different parents. The story was filtered down through the years, that he was left on someone's doorstep, and taken in by a family by the name of GREEN. (That's my maiden name). And on his death cert. Fannie Frasier and James Green were listed, and he was born in Scotland! Since someone had to give that info. to the registrar when he died, there's some question. However, his wife, Maria, who was the informant, was presumably in her right mind - she died 8 years later -. So the mystery continues! Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Halstead<mailto:allanhalstead@talktalk.net> To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com<mailto:eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] 2 Sets of Parents Doesn't all this revolve around 1723's John PERKINS. If he is a member of 1719's Thomas's family then the parents would seem to be Richard & Ann PERKINS - otherwise Thomas & Elizabeth. Although, admittedly, life is never as simple as that, is it. Regards, Allan Halstead _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/<http://www.bham.de/> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

First of all a very big thank you to the great many of you who responded to my HANDS enquiry, both on and off list. Several responded with whole chunks of data. Yippee!!! Some of you have also clearly hit the proverbial brick wall. Might I suggest after checking some census data you do a couple of things so that you stand a higher chance of finding a relative. 1. post an enquiry on the Ancestry noticeboard http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.hands/mb.ashx - free subscription and it automatically cross posts to the Rootsweb HANDS email list. 2. also post on the Genealogy.com board, again free subscription, http://genforum.genealogy.com/hands/ Just give the basic information - the names of the family, where they are located and the date of the event or time frame they were, or thought, to be in the area. More details can be supplied later, but that is sufficient for search engines to pick up. Ancestry, Rootsweb and Genealogy.com are all now part of the same organisation. But some people stick to what they know and don't get maximum exposure. Again thank you one and all. -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk

Hi Keith here is the site to give you the answer Trace Your Ancestors in Birmingham http://www.bmsgh.org/parish/warw/tyaib/index.htm Mike Fisher in Droitwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith NZ" <genmail@ihug.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin > Birmingham is a new area of research for me, hence this question. > > Do indexes exist for baptisms, marriages and burial at Birmingham St, > Martin and St. Philip for the period 1790 to 1837 ? > > The IGI has some marriages and some baptisms, but I suspect not all > for the above period I cite. But of course it does not have burials. > > The surname I am interested in currently is WYON, a rather uncommon > one. > > Any guidance re the above will be much appreciated. > > Keith Wellington, NZ > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Hi List As Pauline suggests ,two families may be involved here , one way is to find other baptimns to these names , and even as far as marriages, that way you can see which way both couples are going if any , I at first thought that the second dates are death dates , but unless they changed to middle names at a death , stump me. In those days I think they only used one book for everything, till certain Laws arrived. gary hodge Neil Hearn wrote: > Dear Pauline, > Your research is back in a time when families moved very > little during their lifetimes. Even later than that many of my ancestors > married brothers or sisters and named their children after them. > My suggestion is that there are two families here. Can you find a > death record/gravestone which may enlighten you as to which parents belong > to your line. > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Paulinefin@aol.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:15 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] 2 Sets of Parents > > > >> Happy New Year to you all. >> I have a dilemma, my 5xG Grandfather THOMAS PERKINS was born 1719 in >> Sambourne near Coughton. There are 2 sets of Parents. Baptism >> Dates >> THOMAS PERKINS and ELIZABETH 3rd >> of >> August 1719, >> RICHARD PERKINS and ANN 12th >> August 1719. >> >> So I thought I would look at his brother RICHARD PERKINS and guess what >> he's >> got 2 sets of Parents Baptism Dates >> THOMAS PERKINS and ELIZABETH 17th June >> 1717 >> RICHARD PERKINS and ANN 15th January >> 1721. >> I just don't know which way to go, so I can continue to go back. >> Any help would be much appreciated. >> Many thanks Pauline F. >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I've seen this many times in my family tree & I think it means they had no income & were dependent on those with whom they lived. J Diane Lowery <geminidi19@rabbit.com.au> wrote: Hi Listers, I've just found a member of my family on the 1861 Census who is listed as a "Pauper." She was 70 and mother-in-law of the Head, who was a widow. Was the word "Pauper" only used when a family was poor as this description was not written next to the Head of the family, or would it just be because the mother-in-law had no means of support? Would be interested to hear any comments. Diane (Melbourne) _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anne List For those that are not local to birmingham , I would like to point out that the saltley itself is home to a large railway sidings and main lines run through them . Anne Peat wrote: > The Railway Mission seems to be an international mission organisation. > It was widespread in Victorian and Edwardian times > >> Railway Mission, The; 1881; 1, Adam Street, Strand, W.C.; The >> spiritual, moral and physical welfare of railway employés. One >> thousand religious and temperance meetings are held by the Mission >> every week. >> >> Railway Mission Convalescent Homes; 1887; Ditto; Has Convalescent >> Homes at St. Leonards-on-Sea and Southport, exclusively for railway >> men of all lines. >> > It is still in existence and has a website. > http://www.railwaymission.org/. > > and can be contacted at > The Railway Mission > > Room 4 > Denison House North > Hexthorpe Road > Doncaster > DN4 0EL > United Kingdom > > ( There is also now a railway engine called 'Railway Mission') > There was one in Birmingham near St Mary's Acock's Green > > >> St. Mary's used to have several outlying buildings. The Church House >> opened c. 1908 at the corner of Arden Road and Rookwood Road, and >> since about 1983 has been in the hands of Birmingham City Mission. A >> mission room was opened at Spring Road in 1881, and was moved to >> Summer Road as St. Gabriel's when the North Warwickshire Line was >> about to be built, c. 1905, as the line would have gone through the >> chapel. This mission room was replaced by a Memorial Hall in 1928/9. >> The idea had been to have a permanent chapel there, but it was decided >> that a room for social and recreation purposes was needed. Another >> room, the Jubilee Hall behind the Memorial Hall, was opened in 1936: >> money for it was raised in part by Leonard Skan, a well-known local >> milkman. There were tennis courts and other sports facilities on site >> (thanks to Kath Huckfield for help with this information). Around >> 1938, a Railway Mission Room opened next to the railway at Spring >> Road, but it did not belong to St. Mary's. It is still there, as a >> Congregational chapel. >> > > and British History on-line has this to say about the building in St > Andrew's Street. > > Bromford Lane Birches Green Evangelical Free Church was registered for > public worship in 1947. (fn. 59) > > St. Andrew's Street, Small Heath Dr. Crabbe Memorial Mission was > established in the former Railway Mission hall in St. Andrew's Street > in 1948. The mission appears to have been founded about 1918, in honour > of the former superintendent of the Birmingham Medical Mission, q.v., > and occupied the Dr. Crabbe Memorial Hall, Bordesley Street, from 1925 > to 1947. (fn. 60) Immediately prior to the move to St. Andrew's > Street it met at a hall in Sandy Lane, belonging to the Presbyterian > Church. (fn. 61) > > HTH > Anne > On 5 Jan 2007, at 14:28, Allan Halstead wrote: > > >> My wife's grandfather, Benjamin George HARRIS, died on the Somme on >> 1/7/1916 aged 21. >> >> His Commonwealth War Graves Commission certificate shows his parents >> as Walter and Annie HARRIS of Railway Mission House, St. Andrew's St., >> Birmingham but I'm having no luck in tracing them. >> >> I've tried Googling "Birmingham Railway Mission House" but to no avail. >> >> Is it likely that the family would have been living there as >> caretakers, and if so, are there likely to be any employment records >> anywhere? >> >> Incidentally, my wife was also christened at this Mission House in >> 1938. >> >> Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> >> Allan Halstead >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

All are available on the lds site for the dates you mention. See Hugh Wallis's Genealogical Site Peter Turner Keith NZ <genmail@ihug.co.nz> wrote: Birmingham is a new area of research for me, hence this question. Do indexes exist for baptisms, marriages and burial at Birmingham St, Martin and St. Philip for the period 1790 to 1837 ? The IGI has some marriages and some baptisms, but I suspect not all for the above period I cite. But of course it does not have burials. The surname I am interested in currently is WYON, a rather uncommon one. Any guidance re the above will be much appreciated. Keith Wellington, NZ _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

there's also a John, born & died 1723 BMSGH may be able to help, there are MIs to a Richard Perkins at Coughton, maybe it would hold a clue. Sometimes searching the family name & place throws up lots of info. otherwise this may well be a brickwall or dead end good luck Jane Paulinefin@aol.com wrote: Happy New Year to you all. I have a dilemma, my 5xG Grandfather THOMAS PERKINS was born 1719 in Sambourne near Coughton. There are 2 sets of Parents. Baptism Dates THOMAS PERKINS and ELIZABETH 3rd of August 1719, RICHARD PERKINS and ANN 12th August 1719. So I thought I would look at his brother RICHARD PERKINS and guess what he's got 2 sets of Parents Baptism Dates THOMAS PERKINS and ELIZABETH 17th June 1717 RICHARD PERKINS and ANN 15th January 1721. I just don't know which way to go, so I can continue to go back. Any help would be much appreciated. Many thanks Pauline F. _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Railway Mission seems to be an international mission organisation. It was widespread in Victorian and Edwardian times > Railway Mission, The; 1881; 1, Adam Street, Strand, W.C.; The > spiritual, moral and physical welfare of railway employés. One > thousand religious and temperance meetings are held by the Mission > every week. > > Railway Mission Convalescent Homes; 1887; Ditto; Has Convalescent > Homes at St. Leonards-on-Sea and Southport, exclusively for railway > men of all lines. It is still in existence and has a website. http://www.railwaymission.org/. and can be contacted at The Railway Mission Room 4 Denison House North Hexthorpe Road Doncaster DN4 0EL United Kingdom ( There is also now a railway engine called 'Railway Mission') There was one in Birmingham near St Mary's Acock's Green > St. Mary's used to have several outlying buildings. The Church House > opened c. 1908 at the corner of Arden Road and Rookwood Road, and > since about 1983 has been in the hands of Birmingham City Mission. A > mission room was opened at Spring Road in 1881, and was moved to > Summer Road as St. Gabriel's when the North Warwickshire Line was > about to be built, c. 1905, as the line would have gone through the > chapel. This mission room was replaced by a Memorial Hall in 1928/9. > The idea had been to have a permanent chapel there, but it was decided > that a room for social and recreation purposes was needed. Another > room, the Jubilee Hall behind the Memorial Hall, was opened in 1936: > money for it was raised in part by Leonard Skan, a well-known local > milkman. There were tennis courts and other sports facilities on site > (thanks to Kath Huckfield for help with this information). Around > 1938, a Railway Mission Room opened next to the railway at Spring > Road, but it did not belong to St. Mary's. It is still there, as a > Congregational chapel. and British History on-line has this to say about the building in St Andrew's Street. Bromford Lane Birches Green Evangelical Free Church was registered for public worship in 1947. (fn. 59) St. Andrew's Street, Small Heath Dr. Crabbe Memorial Mission was established in the former Railway Mission hall in St. Andrew's Street in 1948. The mission appears to have been founded about 1918, in honour of the former superintendent of the Birmingham Medical Mission, q.v., and occupied the Dr. Crabbe Memorial Hall, Bordesley Street, from 1925 to 1947. (fn. 60) Immediately prior to the move to St. Andrew's Street it met at a hall in Sandy Lane, belonging to the Presbyterian Church. (fn. 61) HTH Anne On 5 Jan 2007, at 14:28, Allan Halstead wrote: > My wife's grandfather, Benjamin George HARRIS, died on the Somme on > 1/7/1916 aged 21. > > His Commonwealth War Graves Commission certificate shows his parents > as Walter and Annie HARRIS of Railway Mission House, St. Andrew's St., > Birmingham but I'm having no luck in tracing them. > > I've tried Googling "Birmingham Railway Mission House" but to no avail. > > Is it likely that the family would have been living there as > caretakers, and if so, are there likely to be any employment records > anywhere? > > Incidentally, my wife was also christened at this Mission House in > 1938. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Regards, > > Allan Halstead