If I read the maps correctly Darwin is a rather short street, has it been shortened over the years? Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Allison/Bartholomew/Great Barr/Darwin Sts > Thanks for that. I thought, after reading some of the previous messages, > the area may have had railway workers, Irish immigrants or some other > minority group living there which may help with their research. > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:01 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Allison/Bartholomew/Great Barr/Darwin Sts > > >> Jan >> >> What kind of things? The streets were full of ordinary folk, they were >> not >> wealthy places. Some of my ancestors lived in nearby streets, one was a >> brass worker, one was a tailor. >> >> Pauline >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:00 PM >> Subject: [B'ham] Allison/Bartholomew/Great Barr/Darwin Sts >> >> >> Relatives lived in these streets of Brum between 1841 and 1851. Does >> anyone >> know anything about the folk who may have lived there then? >> Jan >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >

My relies lived on Darwin (Poole) and they were Silversmiths. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Allison/Bartholomew/Great Barr/Darwin Sts > Thanks for that. I thought, after reading some of the previous messages, > the area may have had railway workers, Irish immigrants or some other > minority group living there which may help with their research. > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:01 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Allison/Bartholomew/Great Barr/Darwin Sts > > >> Jan >> >> What kind of things? The streets were full of ordinary folk, they were >> not >> wealthy places. Some of my ancestors lived in nearby streets, one was a >> brass worker, one was a tailor. >> >> Pauline >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:00 PM >> Subject: [B'ham] Allison/Bartholomew/Great Barr/Darwin Sts >> >> >> Relatives lived in these streets of Brum between 1841 and 1851. Does >> anyone >> know anything about the folk who may have lived there then? >> Jan >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >

Hi Karen You don't say where the death occurred ? Mike Fisher in Droitwich Original Message ----- From: <angeloleto@bellsouth.net> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: [B'ham] DAY, Henry & DAY, Caroline Ball > Can someone do a look up for me please please... > I have a Henry DAY, and his wife Caroline BALL DAY dying on 25 Sept 1865, > the curious part is its the same day, Was it a Fire??, accident?? > > I would like to know what happened to them. > > Thank you, > Karen > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Hi Pauline, Even when the daughter married life wasn't any better. She took in washing and charged a penny to do a basketful, then tuppence to iron it. There were 8 kids to bring up too. It is hard to imagine. Apparently she also gave birth to a set of male triplets (uncommon back then) who didn't survive and a set of twins (probably miscarried.) No wonder she died at the young age of 45. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Fw: Pauper > Diane, > > I thought I might be right, because I have found ancestors on censuses > with > no occupation because of their age, and no word pauper in the occupation > column. Obviously living on the generosity of others but not in receipt > of > Parish Relief. One wonders how these people actually lived, what they > ate, etc, it must have been dreadfully hard, as parish Relief was not > exactly generous! > > Pauline

Thanks Peter, The IGI is certainly a most useful tool to guide one to where one should be looking for information, but it is not a complete record of every parish that it covers. It is the entries not shown on the IGI I now seek. Fifteen years of research have taught me to consult indexes done at a local level, if available, and the burial information lacking from the IGI is especially crucial to get the fuller picture. Regards Keith Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Turner" <peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin > All are available on the lds site for the dates you mention. > > See Hugh Wallis's Genealogical Site > > Peter Turner > > Keith NZ <genmail@ihug.co.nz> wrote: > Birmingham is a new area of research for me, hence this question. > > Do indexes exist for baptisms, marriages and burial at Birmingham > St, > Martin and St. Philip for the period 1790 to 1837 ? > > The IGI has some marriages and some baptisms, but I suspect not all > for the above period I cite. But of course it does not have burials. > > The surname I am interested in currently is WYON, a rather uncommon > one. > > Any guidance re the above will be much appreciated. > > Keith Wellington, NZ > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > Peter Turner (Birmingham, UK) > peterct1945@yahoo.co.uk > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Relatives lived in these streets of Brum between 1841 and 1851. Does anyone know anything about the folk who may have lived there then? Jan

Hi Pauline, That makes sense. She and the daughter-in-law (The Head) were both widows, the eldest daughter was the only one working as a general servant and there were three younger children. There wouldn't have been much money coming into the house. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: [B'ham] Pauper >I have been thinking about the previous posting of this on the list. > > Is a pauper not someone who is receiving Parish Relief? > > Pauline > > >

Many thanks Jane, That's what I thought but appreciate you confirming it. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "JANE DYER" <jane.dyer@btinternet.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Pauper > I've seen this many times in my family tree & I think it means they had no > income & were dependent on those with whom they lived. > J > > Diane Lowery <geminidi19@rabbit.com.au> wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > I've just found a member of my family on the 1861 Census who is listed as > a "Pauper." She was 70 and mother-in-law of the Head, who was a widow. Was > the word "Pauper" only used when a family was poor as this description was > not written next to the Head of the family, or would it just be because > the mother-in-law had no means of support? > > Would be interested to hear any comments. > > Diane (Melbourne) > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi, Can anyone give me any details about the marriage of Charles William Fletcher to Emma Parkes in April, 1877. I think his parents names were James Fletcher and Emma Thompson and her parents names were Henry Parkes and Susanna (Hannah). Thanks for any help. Kathleen

hi, some of my family members lived in Great Barr but a bit later: Ag lab/gardener 1861-1901 w/o Lance Corporal Royal warwicks, died 1940 gardener general servant ag lab cook farm labourer 1891 I also have some who lived in Barr St I don't think their occupations are representative of the cross section of people there as for every servant there must be one who is served! J Neil Hearn <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> wrote: Relatives lived in these streets of Brum between 1841 and 1851. Does anyone know anything about the folk who may have lived there then? Jan _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan What kind of things? The streets were full of ordinary folk, they were not wealthy places. Some of my ancestors lived in nearby streets, one was a brass worker, one was a tailor. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: [B'ham] Allison/Bartholomew/Great Barr/Darwin Sts Relatives lived in these streets of Brum between 1841 and 1851. Does anyone know anything about the folk who may have lived there then? Jan

Divorce in those days required an Act of Parliament, and it was very difficult to achieve. One also had to be rather wealthy to be able to afford it, and there were very few reasons for a divorce to be granted. When it came to a death certificate, the informant did not necessarily know the truth, only what they were told. I feel one has to keep a very open mind about the information on death certificates, unless you have proof to hand. People did not necessarily know the truth about themselves, or maybe what they were told was a total fib. For instance, I grew up believing my grandmother to be a twin, which is what she had been told as a child. He parents had both died by the time she was four, and an aunt brought her up. This aunt had obviously told my gran she had a twin sister called Lucy, and my gran died believing this was the case. In the seven years I have been researching, I have found no proof that this 'Lucy' existed. No birth certificate, my grandmother's birth certificate did not indicate that two children were born (usually has the time of birth) and no death for 'Lucy' and no baptism. Not even a burial. In these kind of cases one has to keep a totally open mind and never, ever, assume. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Jones" <rhjones19@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Two sets of parents - Same last name > Could it be that parents separated/divorced (i know it's unusual for the time, but it did happen in those days) - and both remarried, that way you could have 2 sets of parents: > > dad + step mum > mum + step dad > > Or he was left with aunt/uncle and their partner - and the people who he thought were his parents were is aunt and uncle, and the people he thought were is aunt and uncle were actually his parents. That way 2 sets of parents - aunt and uncle who raised him as their own, and registered him as their own. He subsequently finds out, and upon death has biological parents put on death cert. > > 2 different possibilities, but at the same time both an option. > > Roz > > Nancy Curry <nancurry@msn.com> wrote: > A quick note: my gr grandfather also seems to have two sets of parents. One set listed on his birth cert. and also in the 1851 census. > > Then, on his death cert. it names two different parents. > > The story was filtered down through the years, that he was left on someone's doorstep, and taken in by a family by the name of GREEN. (That's my maiden name). And on his death cert. Fannie Frasier and James Green were listed, and he was born in Scotland! Since someone had to give that info. to the registrar when he died, there's some question. However, his wife, Maria, who was the informant, was presumably in her right mind - she died 8 years later -. > > So the mystery continues! > Nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Allan Halstead > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:10 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] 2 Sets of Parents > > > Doesn't all this revolve around 1723's John PERKINS. > > If he is a member of 1719's Thomas's family then the parents would seem to > be Richard & Ann PERKINS - otherwise Thomas & Elizabeth. > > Although, admittedly, life is never as simple as that, is it. > > Regards, > > Allan Halstead > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >

Hi The IGI is "fairly " safe if there is an extracted entry from a Parish Register as it can be easily and cheaply checked. The difficulty is with the "member submissions" which appear to come from Mars - I think! Cheers Marlene Allan Halstead wrote: > According to the IGI (and we all know "reliable" that is, don't we):- > > Thomas & Elizabeth had a Richard christened on 17/7/1717 & a Thomas > christened sometime in 1719. > > Richard & Ann had a Thomas christened sometime in 1719, a Richard christened > on 15/1/1721 & a John christened on 4/7/1723 who then died on 9/8/1723. > > I would hazard a guess that Thomas & Richard senior were brothers, but I can > find no reference to their christenings in Coughton to prove that. > > Around this time you also have other Perkins families having their progeny > christened there:- > > Francis & Susanna; William & Elizabeth; & John & Ann. > > Families,eh! Who'd 'ave 'em? Without them there'd be no genealogy - & we > wouldn't be around to worry about it either. > > Regards, > > Allan Halstead > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Diane, I thought I might be right, because I have found ancestors on censuses with no occupation because of their age, and no word pauper in the occupation column. Obviously living on the generosity of others but not in receipt of Parish Relief. One wonders how these people actually lived, what they ate, etc, it must have been dreadfully hard, as parish Relief was not exactly generous! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Lowery" <geminidi19@rabbit.com.au> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: [B'ham] Fw: Pauper > > Hi Pauline, > > That makes sense. She and the daughter-in-law (The Head) were both widows, > the eldest daughter was the only one working as a general servant and there > were three younger children. There wouldn't have been much money coming > into the house. > > Diane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:40 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Pauper > > > >I have been thinking about the previous posting of this on the list. > > > > Is a pauper not someone who is receiving Parish Relief? > > > > Pauline > > > > > > > > >

Hi Pauline I would say that Thomas & Richard were brothers or perhaps cousins and either thought it charming or perhaps followed the old naming pattern when naming their sons! Might not help much BUT If you put THOMAS PERKINS & Elizabeth as parents on the right side of the IGI form and insert Christenings 1719+/- 20 years you will find that they had Richard baptised 17 July 1717 and Thomas in 1719 at Coughton. Do the same for Richard and Ann and you will find that they had Thomas 1719 , Richard 1721, and John 1723. NOW click on the parish film number on the bottom left of the page and when you get a new screen just put PERKINS in the surname box. Click on search. You will find that several other Perkins families were having children baptised around that 1715- 1730s year period in Coughton. William, Francis & John. are examples. It looks as if a family of brothers moved to Coughton when they married perhaps for employment with the Throckmortons at Coughton Court? Coughton Court was a RC area connected earlier with the Gun Powder Plot. There are a heap of Perkins at Studley not far away - some of the sons may have married in Coughton, Alcester, Oversley or popped over the border to Worcester as mine did. A book I have suggests that the main straight road which now runs between Studley & Coughton follows the old Roman Road so access was probably quite easy for the time period you are looking at.. I'd suggest you would be wise to get the film from the LDS centre near to you and see if you can make sense of all the families. In particular the marriages as you may get a clue to relationships from the witnesses. I always get a hard copy of the Baptisms and Marriage entries which you can consult later at your leisure! You might also want to look at the Local History Society site to see if they have any publications. Happy hunting Marlene Paulinefin@aol.com wrote: > Happy New Year to you all. > I have a dilemma, my 5xG Grandfather THOMAS PERKINS was born 1719 in > Sambourne near Coughton. There are 2 sets of Parents. Baptism Dates > THOMAS PERKINS and ELIZABETH 3rd of > August 1719, > RICHARD PERKINS and ANN 12th > August 1719. > > So I thought I would look at his brother RICHARD PERKINS and guess what he's > got 2 sets of Parents Baptism Dates > THOMAS PERKINS and ELIZABETH 17th June > 1717 > RICHARD PERKINS and ANN 15th January 1721. > I just don't know which way to go, so I can continue to go back. > Any help would be much appreciated. > Many thanks Pauline F. > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Already out at work in 1871, Gerry 1871 England Census about Hannah Messinger Name: Hannah Messinger Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: B'ham, Worcestershire, England Civil parish: Yardley Ecclesiastical parish: Yardley County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Spring Hill Occupation: Domestic Servant Registration district: Solihull Sub-registration district: Solihull ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3188; Folio: 69; Page: 20 Household schedule number: 76 Household Members: Name Age Edith M Bridgens 1 Elizabeth Bridgens 27 Ernest R Bridgens 3 Joseph Bridgens 28 - Farmer of 42 acres Walter H Bridgens 8 Thomas V Hambridge 17 Hannah Messinger 14 HTH Anne On 6 Jan 2007, at 00:05, Gerry Edwards wrote: > Hello Listers: > > I wonder if someone could do a look up for me on the 1871 census . > Hannah Messenger was 3 years old on the 1861 census,

from an ex Brummie Saltley is also home to a big gas works unless they have chopped it down in the last 40 years. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "J hodge" <jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham's Railway Mission House Hi Anne List For those that are not local to birmingham , I would like to point out that the saltley itself is home to a large railway sidings and main lines run through them . Anne Peat wrote: > The Railway Mission seems to be an international mission organisation. > It was widespread in Victorian and Edwardian times > >> Railway Mission, The; 1881; 1, Adam Street, Strand, W.C.; The >> spiritual, moral and physical welfare of railway employés. One >> thousand religious and temperance meetings are held by the Mission >> every week. >> >> Railway Mission Convalescent Homes; 1887; Ditto; Has Convalescent >> Homes at St. Leonards-on-Sea and Southport, exclusively for railway >> men of all lines. >> > It is still in existence and has a website. > http://www.railwaymission.org/. > > and can be contacted at > The Railway Mission > > Room 4 > Denison House North > Hexthorpe Road > Doncaster > DN4 0EL > United Kingdom > > ( There is also now a railway engine called 'Railway Mission') > There was one in Birmingham near St Mary's Acock's Green > > >> St. Mary's used to have several outlying buildings. The Church House >> opened c. 1908 at the corner of Arden Road and Rookwood Road, and >> since about 1983 has been in the hands of Birmingham City Mission. A >> mission room was opened at Spring Road in 1881, and was moved to >> Summer Road as St. Gabriel's when the North Warwickshire Line was >> about to be built, c. 1905, as the line would have gone through the >> chapel. This mission room was replaced by a Memorial Hall in 1928/9. >> The idea had been to have a permanent chapel there, but it was decided >> that a room for social and recreation purposes was needed. Another >> room, the Jubilee Hall behind the Memorial Hall, was opened in 1936: >> money for it was raised in part by Leonard Skan, a well-known local >> milkman. There were tennis courts and other sports facilities on site >> (thanks to Kath Huckfield for help with this information). Around >> 1938, a Railway Mission Room opened next to the railway at Spring >> Road, but it did not belong to St. Mary's. It is still there, as a >> Congregational chapel. >> > > and British History on-line has this to say about the building in St > Andrew's Street. > > Bromford Lane Birches Green Evangelical Free Church was registered for > public worship in 1947. (fn. 59) > > St. Andrew's Street, Small Heath Dr. Crabbe Memorial Mission was > established in the former Railway Mission hall in St. Andrew's Street > in 1948. The mission appears to have been founded about 1918, in honour > of the former superintendent of the Birmingham Medical Mission, q.v., > and occupied the Dr. Crabbe Memorial Hall, Bordesley Street, from 1925 > to 1947. (fn. 60) Immediately prior to the move to St. Andrew's > Street it met at a hall in Sandy Lane, belonging to the Presbyterian > Church. (fn. 61) > > HTH > Anne > On 5 Jan 2007, at 14:28, Allan Halstead wrote: > > >> My wife's grandfather, Benjamin George HARRIS, died on the Somme on >> 1/7/1916 aged 21. >> >> His Commonwealth War Graves Commission certificate shows his parents >> as Walter and Annie HARRIS of Railway Mission House, St. Andrew's St., >> Birmingham but I'm having no luck in tracing them. >> >> I've tried Googling "Birmingham Railway Mission House" but to no avail. >> >> Is it likely that the family would have been living there as >> caretakers, and if so, are there likely to be any employment records >> anywhere? >> >> Incidentally, my wife was also christened at this Mission House in >> 1938. >> >> Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> >> Allan Halstead >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be that parents separated/divorced (i know it's unusual for the time, but it did happen in those days) - and both remarried, that way you could have 2 sets of parents: dad + step mum mum + step dad Or he was left with aunt/uncle and their partner - and the people who he thought were his parents were is aunt and uncle, and the people he thought were is aunt and uncle were actually his parents. That way 2 sets of parents - aunt and uncle who raised him as their own, and registered him as their own. He subsequently finds out, and upon death has biological parents put on death cert. 2 different possibilities, but at the same time both an option. Roz Nancy Curry <nancurry@msn.com> wrote: A quick note: my gr grandfather also seems to have two sets of parents. One set listed on his birth cert. and also in the 1851 census. Then, on his death cert. it names two different parents. The story was filtered down through the years, that he was left on someone's doorstep, and taken in by a family by the name of GREEN. (That's my maiden name). And on his death cert. Fannie Frasier and James Green were listed, and he was born in Scotland! Since someone had to give that info. to the registrar when he died, there's some question. However, his wife, Maria, who was the informant, was presumably in her right mind - she died 8 years later -. So the mystery continues! Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Halstead To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] 2 Sets of Parents Doesn't all this revolve around 1723's John PERKINS. If he is a member of 1719's Thomas's family then the parents would seem to be Richard & Ann PERKINS - otherwise Thomas & Elizabeth. Although, admittedly, life is never as simple as that, is it. Regards, Allan Halstead _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Ken There is still one gas monitor there but the coke works has gone and no longer produces gas. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth William Bibb" <kbibb@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham's Railway Mission House from an ex Brummie Saltley is also home to a big gas works unless they have chopped it down in the last 40 years. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "J hodge" <jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham's Railway Mission House Hi Anne List For those that are not local to birmingham , I would like to point out that the saltley itself is home to a large railway sidings and main lines run through them . Anne Peat wrote: > The Railway Mission seems to be an international mission organisation. > It was widespread in Victorian and Edwardian times > >> Railway Mission, The; 1881; 1, Adam Street, Strand, W.C.; The >> spiritual, moral and physical welfare of railway employés. One >> thousand religious and temperance meetings are held by the Mission >> every week. >> >> Railway Mission Convalescent Homes; 1887; Ditto; Has Convalescent >> Homes at St. Leonards-on-Sea and Southport, exclusively for railway >> men of all lines. >> > It is still in existence and has a website. > http://www.railwaymission.org/. > > and can be contacted at > The Railway Mission > > Room 4 > Denison House North > Hexthorpe Road > Doncaster > DN4 0EL > United Kingdom > > ( There is also now a railway engine called 'Railway Mission') > There was one in Birmingham near St Mary's Acock's Green > > >> St. Mary's used to have several outlying buildings. The Church House >> opened c. 1908 at the corner of Arden Road and Rookwood Road, and >> since about 1983 has been in the hands of Birmingham City Mission. A >> mission room was opened at Spring Road in 1881, and was moved to >> Summer Road as St. Gabriel's when the North Warwickshire Line was >> about to be built, c. 1905, as the line would have gone through the >> chapel. This mission room was replaced by a Memorial Hall in 1928/9. >> The idea had been to have a permanent chapel there, but it was decided >> that a room for social and recreation purposes was needed. Another >> room, the Jubilee Hall behind the Memorial Hall, was opened in 1936: >> money for it was raised in part by Leonard Skan, a well-known local >> milkman. There were tennis courts and other sports facilities on site >> (thanks to Kath Huckfield for help with this information). Around >> 1938, a Railway Mission Room opened next to the railway at Spring >> Road, but it did not belong to St. Mary's. It is still there, as a >> Congregational chapel. >> > > and British History on-line has this to say about the building in St > Andrew's Street. > > Bromford Lane Birches Green Evangelical Free Church was registered for > public worship in 1947. (fn. 59) > > St. Andrew's Street, Small Heath Dr. Crabbe Memorial Mission was > established in the former Railway Mission hall in St. Andrew's Street > in 1948. The mission appears to have been founded about 1918, in honour > of the former superintendent of the Birmingham Medical Mission, q.v., > and occupied the Dr. Crabbe Memorial Hall, Bordesley Street, from 1925 > to 1947. (fn. 60) Immediately prior to the move to St. Andrew's > Street it met at a hall in Sandy Lane, belonging to the Presbyterian > Church. (fn. 61) > > HTH > Anne > On 5 Jan 2007, at 14:28, Allan Halstead wrote: > > >> My wife's grandfather, Benjamin George HARRIS, died on the Somme on >> 1/7/1916 aged 21. >> >> His Commonwealth War Graves Commission certificate shows his parents >> as Walter and Annie HARRIS of Railway Mission House, St. Andrew's St., >> Birmingham but I'm having no luck in tracing them. >> >> I've tried Googling "Birmingham Railway Mission House" but to no avail. >> >> Is it likely that the family would have been living there as >> caretakers, and if so, are there likely to be any employment records >> anywhere? >> >> Incidentally, my wife was also christened at this Mission House in >> 1938. >> >> Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> >> Allan Halstead >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, I have recently joined this group and have visited all suggested sites, surname lists etc. now am wondering if someone out there can help and perhaps add information to my quest. I am seeking descendants or helpful information for the following families: 1. My Great Uncle ARTHUR EDWARD MANN born PADDINGTON 1870 - son of CHARLES MANN & PHOEBE (HEMINGTON). I have found that ARTHUR EDWARD died at 77 DUDLEY ROAD, BIRMINGHAM 1951 His wife ROSINA JANE (NEE MAYHEAD) died 36 TERRACE ROAD,BIRMINGHAM 1953. Informant on ARTHUR EDWARD's D.C was his son A.E. (do not know what A.E stands for) Whose address was 8/back 205 IRVING STREET. A daughter F.R.NEWELL was the informant on Rose's D.C. 2. I have a little on F.R.(FLORENCE ROSE MANN) born 1900 Paddington, who married THOMAS NEWELL in ASTON 1924 and hold her D.C for TAMWROTH 1973, but would like to find more on ARTHUR EDWARD and his son A.E. and any other family that the couple may have had. Great Uncle Arthur was a BLACKSMITHS STRIKER, and THOMAS NEWELL's Father JOSEPH NEWELL was an IRON MOULDER living in Perseverance St, at ASTON MANOR in 1891 and Chester St, in 1901. It appears that several sons worked in this industry as well.It may be that the two were workmates which led to the marriage of their children. Arthur Edward Mann did not arrive in Birmingham until after 1901 and could have had other children besides the mysterious "A.E". and Florence Rose. Any help will be received with much gratitude. Elspeth (nee Mann) Lake Macquarie,NSW,Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 5/01/2007 11:11 AM