Hi Listers I'm new to this List and hoping SKS can help me find the birth of Mary WRIGHT, born Birmingham, the daughter of John WRIGHT. Her marriage cert. gives this much and 1861 census (MDX) confirms it. Many thanks, in advance. Glenys in South OZ

Marlene Yours is a case where if both the original registers and the BTs survive, you may get the data that is missing from the version you have gone through by consulting the other. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin > Hi > I have one example where just two pages of baptisms are missing - > LDS > has a note on the film indicating this but that doesn't show on the > online site! Of course it just had to be the 1789/90 baptisms for a > small village which I needed to prove the existence of the eldest > son! > I have been forced to "adopt" Thomas as the eldest son because he > says > consistently he was born in that village on 1841-61 censii, was a > witness at his sister's marriage, took his own first born back to > the > home village for baptism and they were the only family of that > surname > in the village for about 60 years. > One of those examples of having to tie every clue together and try > to > make sense of it all. > Cheers > Marlene in New Zealand - getting warmer! > > > RaKay Dance wrote: >> Could someone enlighten me on how this happens?? Did the LDS skip >> pages when they were filming or were there actual books of records >> that were missed?? RaKay >> >> >>> From: "Keith NZ" <genmail@ihug.co.nz> >>> Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >>> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin >>> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:04:30 +1300 >>> >>> Hi Pauline, >>> >>> A trip to Birmingham would be nice, although not at present being >>> your >>> winter. However a rather expensive way of finding details for a >>> few >>> burials and perhaps the odd marriage that the IGI does not have. >>> >>> The degree of missing data on the IGI became apparent to me in >>> 1993 >>> when a cousin in Nottingham went through the registers there and >>> came >>> back with 40% more entries for Flinders from St. Marys, >>> Nottingham. >>> Alas I don't have any cousins near Birmingham who are able >>> nowadays to >>> go and do research. Age and infirmity has caught up with them. >>> >>> I spent 5 weeks in England August/September last year and was >>> delighted with the weather that was turned on for me. In contrast >>> the >>> summer in this part of NZ has been the coldest on record since >>> 1928, >>> and has seldom been above 16 degrees. Global warming has bypassed >>> us >>> and the iceage commith. >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Keith Flinders >>> Wellington, NZ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> >>> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin >>> >>> >>> > Hello Keith >>> > >>> > Records for St Philip and St Martin are available in Birmingham >>> > Library. >>> > >>> > I know from my own research that all are not on the IGI, it is >>> > very >>> > incomplete. BMSGH have some fiche available, but I am not sure >>> > exactly how >>> > many have been produced. >>> > >>> > Google BMSGH and you can purchase from the site, as NZ is a bit >>> > of a >>> > long >>> > way to travel!! >>> > >>> > Pauline >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Keith NZ" <genmail@ihug.co.nz> >>> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:23 PM >>> > Subject: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin >>> > >>> > >>> >> Birmingham is a new area of research for me, hence this >>> >> question. >>> >> >>> >> Do indexes exist for baptisms, marriages and burial at >>> >> Birmingham >>> >> St, >>> >> Martin and St. Philip for the period 1790 to 1837 ? >>> >> >>> >> The IGI has some marriages and some baptisms, but I suspect not >>> >> all >>> >> for the above period I cite. But of course it does not have >>> >> burials. >>> >> >>> >> The surname I am interested in currently is WYON, a rather >>> >> uncommon >>> >> one. >>> >> >>> >> Any guidance re the above will be much appreciated. >>> >> >>> >> Keith Wellington, NZ >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _____________________________________________ >>> > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> > http://www.bham.de/ >>> > >>> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >>> > the >>> > message >>> > >>> > >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Type your favorite song. 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Try MSN Radio >> powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Put "Workhouses England" into Google and you will find a site which shows most of the County workhouses, the diets "enjoyed" by inmates, other conditions, plans of the buildings and an indication whether papers might be available for inmates for the years you are seeking. Similarly try for asylums - people are found on censuses often by initials only. If you are seeking papers you may get; Admission Papers Creed Registers Departure Papers These may contain information about (if applicable) the health of the person, the date of admission, the reasons for admission, the religion, the tobacco allowance, date & place of burial. Well worth getting if you're lucky and the Records have survived. Good luck Marlene. Neil Hearn wrote: > Karen, > One of my ancestors had been a Watchmaker for most of his life but > due to his children being ill and his wife's early death he ended up with no > money. He also died in a Workhouse but I believe it was more like a public > hospital as we understand it today. Some people were actually known to be > happy there (as per article in a recent Family History Magazine) > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <angeloleto@bellsouth.net> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:00 AM > Subject: [B'ham] Henry DAY and Caroline BALL DAY Workhouse > > > >> In regards to a previous post, Henry DAY and Caroline BALL DAY dying on >> the same day. This was an error in the facts I receieved. That is >> actually their wedding date. They did however die in the Workhouse >> Western Rd. UD. They were fairly elderly when they were there can anyone >> tell me what work was expected of them there? >> >> Thanks, >> Karen >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Listers, I wonder if anyone has access to the 1871 Census would they please look up a John GRIMLEY (60) and Maria GRIMLEY (55). They could be living with John (15) Eliza (22) Emily (17) and Sarah (14) On the 1851 John GRIMLEY was a "Malster" at 17 Brearley Street, Birmingham and still living there in 1861 running The Fox Public House. John Snr. died in 1874. I would appreciate the help. Diane (Melbourne)

do you have an approx year? and a mother's name from the census? J Glenys Savage <glenys.savage@bigpond.com> wrote: Hi Listers I'm new to this List and hoping SKS can help me find the birth of Mary WRIGHT, born Birmingham, the daughter of John WRIGHT. Her marriage cert. gives this much and 1861 census (MDX) confirms it. Many thanks, in advance. Glenys in South OZ _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter Just because there is a marriage on Free BMD does not mean it is your marriage. Macdonald is a common enough name and you could easily waste £7. It does not sound much, but when you have several wrong certificates it can add up. If this was my ancestor, I would purchase a certificate for a birth that I knew about (as opposed to a guess) and this will give you the mother's maiden name, then you will be able to purchase the correct certificate of marriage. It might be the long way round, but it will cost you less in the long run. (If this makes me sound mean, I don't think I am, I just don't like wasting money, especially money that goes to the Government to spend on themselves, but that is another point entirely!!!) Incidentally, St Jude's was demolished in about 1971. it was at the bottom of Hill Street, and St Jude's Passage next to the Hotel that was the Albany, marks the spot. Regards Pauline Tamworth, Staffs

Hi I have one example where just two pages of baptisms are missing - LDS has a note on the film indicating this but that doesn't show on the online site! Of course it just had to be the 1789/90 baptisms for a small village which I needed to prove the existence of the eldest son! I have been forced to "adopt" Thomas as the eldest son because he says consistently he was born in that village on 1841-61 censii, was a witness at his sister's marriage, took his own first born back to the home village for baptism and they were the only family of that surname in the village for about 60 years. One of those examples of having to tie every clue together and try to make sense of it all. Cheers Marlene in New Zealand - getting warmer! RaKay Dance wrote: > Could someone enlighten me on how this happens?? Did the LDS skip > pages when they were filming or were there actual books of records > that were missed?? RaKay > > >> From: "Keith NZ" <genmail@ihug.co.nz> >> Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin >> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:04:30 +1300 >> >> Hi Pauline, >> >> A trip to Birmingham would be nice, although not at present being your >> winter. However a rather expensive way of finding details for a few >> burials and perhaps the odd marriage that the IGI does not have. >> >> The degree of missing data on the IGI became apparent to me in 1993 >> when a cousin in Nottingham went through the registers there and came >> back with 40% more entries for Flinders from St. Marys, Nottingham. >> Alas I don't have any cousins near Birmingham who are able nowadays to >> go and do research. Age and infirmity has caught up with them. >> >> I spent 5 weeks in England August/September last year and was >> delighted with the weather that was turned on for me. In contrast the >> summer in this part of NZ has been the coldest on record since 1928, >> and has seldom been above 16 degrees. Global warming has bypassed us >> and the iceage commith. >> >> >> Regards >> >> Keith Flinders >> Wellington, NZ >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin >> >> >> > Hello Keith >> > >> > Records for St Philip and St Martin are available in Birmingham >> > Library. >> > >> > I know from my own research that all are not on the IGI, it is very >> > incomplete. BMSGH have some fiche available, but I am not sure >> > exactly how >> > many have been produced. >> > >> > Google BMSGH and you can purchase from the site, as NZ is a bit of a >> > long >> > way to travel!! >> > >> > Pauline >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Keith NZ" <genmail@ihug.co.nz> >> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:23 PM >> > Subject: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin >> > >> > >> >> Birmingham is a new area of research for me, hence this question. >> >> >> >> Do indexes exist for baptisms, marriages and burial at Birmingham >> >> St, >> >> Martin and St. Philip for the period 1790 to 1837 ? >> >> >> >> The IGI has some marriages and some baptisms, but I suspect not all >> >> for the above period I cite. But of course it does not have >> >> burials. >> >> >> >> The surname I am interested in currently is WYON, a rather uncommon >> >> one. >> >> >> >> Any guidance re the above will be much appreciated. >> >> >> >> Keith Wellington, NZ >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________ >> > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> > http://www.bham.de/ >> > >> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> > message >> > >> > >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio > powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keith , You should be able to find family through the films you can hire from the LDS library, St George chr 1823-1875 mar 1830-1875 St Martin chr 1555-1875 mar 1554-1879 bts chr1718-1831 St Phillips chr1715-1863 mar 1715-1875 Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin Hi Keith I do realise it's a bit of a long way, hence the comment at the bottom of my e-mail. BMSGH have a lot of resources and you might find they have what you want. I believe St Philips to be very short on the IGI, I have not been able to find many of my family at all, either on St Philips or St Georges IGI, and they lived in the vicinity for close on 60 years, I believe them to be clearly unfinished. I did find, however, that one of the films (circa 1812) was unavailable, so perhaps that is the reason. I can find very few on St Georges, too, but have insufficient time to check that for the time being due to family and other commitments. Yes, the weather was good last summer, and now although it is winter, it's not like it used to be, we never freeze these days, which is good news for those of us who don't like the cold. It's been around 10-12º which is not too cold at all. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith NZ" <genmail@ihug.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin > Hi Pauline, > > A trip to Birmingham would be nice, although not at present being your > winter. However a rather expensive way of finding details for a few > burials and perhaps the odd marriage that the IGI does not have. > > The degree of missing data on the IGI became apparent to me in 1993 > when a cousin in Nottingham went through the registers there and came > back with 40% more entries for Flinders from St. Marys, Nottingham. > Alas I don't have any cousins near Birmingham who are able nowadays to > go and do research. Age and infirmity has caught up with them. > > I spent 5 weeks in England August/September last year and was > delighted with the weather that was turned on for me. In contrast the > summer in this part of NZ has been the coldest on record since 1928, > and has seldom been above 16 degrees. Global warming has bypassed us > and the iceage commith. > > > Regards > > Keith Flinders > Wellington, NZ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin > > > > Hello Keith > > > > Records for St Philip and St Martin are available in Birmingham > > Library. > > > > I know from my own research that all are not on the IGI, it is very > > incomplete. BMSGH have some fiche available, but I am not sure > > exactly how > > many have been produced. > > > > Google BMSGH and you can purchase from the site, as NZ is a bit of a > > long > > way to travel!! > > > > Pauline > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Keith NZ" <genmail@ihug.co.nz> > > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:23 PM > > Subject: [B'ham] Birmingham St. Philip and St. Martin > > > > > >> Birmingham is a new area of research for me, hence this question. > >> > >> Do indexes exist for baptisms, marriages and burial at Birmingham > >> St, > >> Martin and St. Philip for the period 1790 to 1837 ? > >> > >> The IGI has some marriages and some baptisms, but I suspect not all > >> for the above period I cite. But of course it does not have > >> burials. > >> > >> The surname I am interested in currently is WYON, a rather uncommon > >> one. > >> > >> Any guidance re the above will be much appreciated. > >> > >> Keith Wellington, NZ > >> > >> > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > > http://www.bham.de/ > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, Thanks very much for your quick response, I tried free BMD on your advice, could not find anything in Birmingham or Sheffield, so I tried "all districts" and Bingo, came up with Robert Macdonald x Eliza White married in Kensinton London 1856, of course I'll have to confirm this with a Marriage Cert. One thing worries me, my wife's grandmothers family (named White) came from Wandsworth London, dare I research any further? Thanks again Peter Hartlepool

Image sent off list, listed as Gromley on Ancestry Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Lowery" <geminidi19@rabbit.com.au> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: [B'ham] 1871 Census - GRIMLEY > Hello Listers, > > I wonder if anyone has access to the 1871 Census would they please look up > a John GRIMLEY (60) and Maria GRIMLEY (55). They could be living with > John (15) Eliza (22) Emily (17) and Sarah (14) On the 1851 John GRIMLEY > was a "Malster" at 17 Brearley Street, Birmingham and still living there > in 1861 running The Fox Public House. John Snr. died in 1874. > > I would appreciate the help. > > Diane (Melbourne) > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WAR/deloyd/brough.html > St Jude's - Tonk Street. Consecrated 1846. 'There are 1300 > *kneelings*, 1000 > of which are free.' The records are in the Birmingham Archives. I don't know whether the churchis still there. HTH Anne > On 8 Jan 2007, at 16:03, peter hanlon wrote: > Hello All > > Could any of you good people tell me of a way of finding t > and also the history of St Judes. > > Thanking you > Peter > Hartlepool > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is probably his birth registration, in the first quarter of 1859. Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page  Births Mar 1859   (>99%) MACDONALD  Robert    Birmingham  6d 118 If you send for his birth certificate (see http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ ) this will give you his mother's maiden name. The other thing you could do is look for their marriage. There is a possible brother christened at St Judes in 1857 JOHN MAC DONALD   Male     Event(s): Birth:  Christening:  04 JAN 1857   Saint Jude, Birmingham, Warwick, England Death:  Burial:  Parents:   Father:  ROBERT MAC DONALD Family   Mother:  ELIZA   According to the 1861 census, both Eliza and Robert senior came from Sheffield in Yorkshire, so you might look for a marriage there, as I can't see one immediately in Birmingham Name: Eliza McDonald Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Name: Robert McDonald Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Philip ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 127 Household Members: Name Age Eliza McDonald 25 John McDonald 4 Robert McDonald 26 Robert McDonald 2 William McDonald 2 It looks as if his father died, his mother remarried, then she died by the 1871 census, if this is the same Robert Name: Robt McDonald Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Stepson Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Stranton Town: West Hartlepool County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Hartlepool Sub-registration district: Hartlepool ED, institution, or vessel: 35 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Cliff 4 months Thomas Cliff 5 William Cliff 40 - widower William Cliff 1 Robt McDonald 13 HTH Anne On 8 Jan 2007, at 16:03, peter hanlon wrote: > Hello All > My Great grandfather Robert Macdonald was christened at St > Judes church in Birmingham on the 23Jan 1859, his father was called > robert and his Mother was called Eliza, he also had a older brother > called John.(source IGI) > Could any of you good people tell me of a way of finding > the surname of his mother Eliza, mayby from church records or some > means and also the history of St Jues. > > Thanking you > Peter > Hartlepool

G'day Nancy, I have found a John Pritchard, born 1839 in Aston married Victoria Hart, born 1840 in Brum. Among their many offspring was Mary. I had been trying to link this family with mine but have been unable to do so as yet. I refer you to Barbara Ward on the Genes Reunited site for details of this family. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Curry" <nancurry@msn.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: [B'ham] Curzon and Cardigan St.s > My PRITCHARDs and FOXES lived on Curzon and Cardigan sts in 1841. > Any relationship with either one of them? > NANCY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pauline Roberts<mailto:secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: > eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com<mailto:eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:11 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Allison/Bartholomew/Great Barr/Darwin Sts > > > Jan, there is a good possibility that railway workers may have lives in > the > area, as there was a station opened in 1837 - Curzon Street. > > It had an enormous goods yard, and my gt gt grandmother, who married a > railway worker, lived in Cardigan Street, off Curzon Street and at the > time > of the 1851 census she was a 'warehouse woman', so one can only imagine > she > worked in a goods warehouse, and thereby met her husband. > > Pauline > > > > > > > >> > _____________________________________________ > > > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > > > http://www.bham.de/<http://www.bham.de/> > > > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com> > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/<http://www.bham.de/> > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again Peter >From the 1861 census Birmingham St Philip RG9 2150 17 28 Robert McDONALD head M 26 shoemaker Yorkshire Sheffield Eliza " wife M 25 spoon polisher " " John " son U 4 " " Robert " son U 2 Warks Birmingham William " son U 2mths " " I have also found a Robert MACDONALD aged 17 in the 1851 census of Birmingham St Philip He was born in Sheffield so looks to be yours Parents Robert aged 59 and Susan aged 57 both born Ireland If you would like either pages let me know Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Hello All > My Great grandfather Robert Macdonald was christened at St > Judes church in Birmingham on the 23Jan 1859, his father was called robert > and his Mother was called Eliza, he also had a older brother called > John.(source IGI) > Could any of you good people tell me of a way of finding the > surname of his mother Eliza, mayby from church records or some means and > also the history of St Jues. > > Thanking you > Peter > Hartlepool

Karen, One of my ancestors had been a Watchmaker for most of his life but due to his children being ill and his wife's early death he ended up with no money. He also died in a Workhouse but I believe it was more like a public hospital as we understand it today. Some people were actually known to be happy there (as per article in a recent Family History Magazine) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <angeloleto@bellsouth.net> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: [B'ham] Henry DAY and Caroline BALL DAY Workhouse > In regards to a previous post, Henry DAY and Caroline BALL DAY dying on > the same day. This was an error in the facts I receieved. That is > actually their wedding date. They did however die in the Workhouse > Western Rd. UD. They were fairly elderly when they were there can anyone > tell me what work was expected of them there? > > Thanks, > Karen > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Sun Jan 7 23:49 , 'Gary and Jocelyn Harrold' <gharrold@telusplanet.net> sent: >I am looking for 5 Ann Street, in Birmingham around the 1875 time period. > I don't have a map of that age to hand, but I think Ann Street was demolished to make way for the Council House - so somewhere between Colmore Row and Edmund Street probably. There is some more information at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_House,_Birmingham David

presumably they married before 1837 in which case the marriage cert will show her address. Go to FreeBMD to see if it's listed or let me know if you have a date & I'll look it up. Certs are only £7 from GRO Jane peter hanlon <p.anluain2@ntlworld.com> wrote: Hello All My Great grandfather Robert Macdonald was christened at St Judes church in Birmingham on the 23Jan 1859, his father was called robert and his Mother was called Eliza, he also had a older brother called John.(source IGI) Could any of you good people tell me of a way of finding the surname of his mother Eliza, mayby from church records or some means and also the history of St Jues. Thanking you Peter Hartlepool _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Peter Apologies if you've already done this - have you checked out census records for period following 1859 birth of Robert jnr? Possible that inlaws may have been living with Robert MacDonald snr and family on later censuses. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter hanlon" <p.anluain2@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: [B'ham] macdonald > Hello All > My Great grandfather Robert Macdonald was christened at St Judes church in Birmingham on the 23Jan 1859, his father was called robert and his Mother was called Eliza, he also had a older brother called John.(source IGI) > Could any of you good people tell me of a way of finding the surname of his mother Eliza, mayby from church records or some means and also the history of St Jues. > > Thanking you > Peter > Hartlepool > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 07/01/07 > >

Hi Peter I would say theres a good chance this is his birth registration? Births Mar 1859 MACDONALD Robert Birmingham 6d 118 His birth certificate would give his mothers name in full Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Hello All > My Great grandfather Robert Macdonald was christened at St > Judes church in Birmingham on the 23Jan 1859, his father was called robert > and his Mother was called Eliza, he also had a older brother called > John.(source IGI) > Could any of you good people tell me of a way of finding the > surname of his mother Eliza, mayby from church records or some means and > also the history of St Jues. > > Thanking you > Peter > Hartlepool

Hello All My Great grandfather Robert Macdonald was christened at St Judes church in Birmingham on the 23Jan 1859, his father was called robert and his Mother was called Eliza, he also had a older brother called John.(source IGI) Could any of you good people tell me of a way of finding the surname of his mother Eliza, mayby from church records or some means and also the history of St Jues. Thanking you Peter Hartlepool